Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 > From: Doris Beers <dj_beers@...> > > I used to love juice fasts. Then I made the mistake of > trying one while I was working One of my books on fasting mentions a study where they compared a group of people who were resting during a fast and those who were working. The ones who were working got little benefit. The only time I was successful working and fasting is when I started the fast while not working. I did the first 5 days of the fast at home resting, and the last 3 days I worked. I'd gotten into the routine, and had such an increase of energy I couldn't stand to stay at home anymore. Since I can't afford time-without-pay I've used " vacation " time for my fasts. I feel like I need a fast real badly now, but don't have enough vacation time. Even people who claim you can fast and work recommend a reduced work schedule. > and using pasteurised > commercial juices. Messed my stomach up real good. In a pinch I did a fast on pasteurised juice. This fast did not turn out very well. I think two of the biggest factors in a juice fast are resting the digestive tract and enzymes. The enzymes in pasteurised juice have been killed (inactivated), so benefits from enzymes would not be observed during a fast on pasteurised juices. > I agree that letting one's system rest is a very good > thing. One has to be cautious, though, about watching > the sugar levels in the juices to avoid too much acid > in the stomach. I have not had this problem. I think because my routine is fairly intricate, and because I use " fasting " herbs. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 Patti, what are the fasting herbs? thanks I have also read the your stomach does not become acid when you drink fresh made juice. But you are sure to become acid when you drink pasteurized juice. Stania Re: fasting >From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...> > >> From: Doris Beers <dj_beers@...> >> >> I used to love juice fasts. Then I made the mistake of >> trying one while I was working > >One of my books on fasting mentions a study where >they compared a group of people who were resting >during a fast and those who were working. The ones >who were working got little benefit. The only time I >was successful working and fasting is when I started the >fast while not working. I did the first 5 days of the fast >at home resting, and the last 3 days I worked. I'd gotten >into the routine, and had such an increase of energy I >couldn't stand to stay at home anymore. Since I can't >afford time-without-pay I've used " vacation " time for >my fasts. I feel like I need a fast real badly now, but >don't have enough vacation time. Even people who claim >you can fast and work recommend a reduced work >schedule. > >> and using pasteurised >> commercial juices. Messed my stomach up real good. > >In a pinch I did a fast on pasteurised juice. This fast >did not turn out very well. I think two of the biggest >factors in a juice fast are resting the digestive tract >and enzymes. The enzymes in pasteurised juice have >been killed (inactivated), so benefits from enzymes >would not be observed during a fast on pasteurised >juices. > >> I agree that letting one's system rest is a very good >> thing. One has to be cautious, though, about watching >> the sugar levels in the juices to avoid too much acid >> in the stomach. > >I have not had this problem. I think because my routine >is fairly intricate, and because I use " fasting " herbs. > >Patti > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 > <stanislava.muzikova@...> > > Patti, what are the fasting herbs? The two I use the most are yarrow and peppermint. Some herbs are classified as fasting herbs because they aid the body in the fasting process (promote sweating, help stabilise blood sugar etc.) I usually make a quart of peppermint/yarrow tea and drink it over the course of the day (during fasting). I don't know if burdock is considered a fasting herb or not, but it sure helps stabilize blood sugar. My grandmother was diabetic and used it all the time to " fool " her doctor. She'd have my grandfather go and dig up a bunch of burdock root and brew up a big pot and her blood tests would come out normal (she failed to realise that she was really fooling herself, but a graphic example of burdock's role in moderating blood sugar). I often drink burdock tea during a fast as well. > I have also read the your stomach does not become acid when > you drink fresh > made juice. But you are sure to become acid when you drink pasteurised > juice. That makes sense. It sure feels different. Patti -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 1999 Report Share Posted June 26, 1999 thanks for explanation, patti I also made a good experience with fasting. It helped me a lot and I did felt much better after a week of fasting. I do not repeat it very often. my husband thought i got mad when I did it for the first time and learnt about those enemas one is supposed to do to get rid of all the toxins :-) but it si not expensive and it helps. I also tried to drink a glass of water with salt every morning which is recommended but it turns my stomach into a whirlpool. i also use the champion for juicing. it is very expensive, but when i destroyed three cheap juicers in three months I decided to buy it.(Champion still lives :-)) Stania Re: fasting >From: " Skari, M " <SkariPM@...> > >> <stanislava.muzikova@...> >> >> Patti, what are the fasting herbs? > >The two I use the most are yarrow and peppermint. Some herbs >are classified as fasting herbs because they aid the body in the >fasting process (promote sweating, help stabilise blood sugar >etc.) I usually make a quart of peppermint/yarrow tea and >drink it over the course of the day (during fasting). I don't know >if burdock is considered a fasting herb or not, but it sure helps >stabilize blood sugar. My grandmother was diabetic and used it >all the time to " fool " her doctor. She'd have my grandfather go >and dig up a bunch of burdock root and brew up a big pot and >her blood tests would come out normal (she failed to realise >that she was really fooling herself, but a graphic example of >burdock's role in moderating blood sugar). I often drink >burdock tea during a fast as well. > >> I have also read the your stomach does not become acid when >> you drink fresh >> made juice. But you are sure to become acid when you drink pasteurised >> juice. > >That makes sense. It sure feels different. > >Patti >-- > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 1999 Report Share Posted June 29, 1999 <stanislava.muzikova@...> > > thanks for explanation, patti > I also made a good experience with fasting. It helped me a > lot and I did > felt much better after a week of fasting. > I also tried to drink a glass > of water with > salt every morning which is recommended but it turns my stomach into a > whirlpool. I haven't heard about this. In what you have read/heard is salt water recommended in the morning? I would like more details if you have any. > I also use the champion for juicing. it is very expensive, but when i > destroyed three cheap juicers in three months I decided to > buy it.(Champion > still lives :-)) Yes, I forgot to mention that I destroyed a juicer too. It was a cheap one and worked fine, but couldn't stand the constant use required for a prolonged juice fast. Actually it got me through two fasts, but the next time I used it smoke came out the back. So I bought a Champion. The Champion has lasted through at least 4 or 5 fasts so far, and I also use it to grind my kamut sprouts when I make sprout bread. Patti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 1999 Report Share Posted June 30, 1999 Re: fasting I do not remember it exactly but I think I have read this in the Dr. Norman 's book about juicing. It is supposed to help the body get rid of toxins (salt binds them ). Sorry I cant provide more details, but the book wasn't mine, I only borrowed it. >> I also tried to drink a glass >> of water with >> salt every morning which is recommended but it turns my stomach into a >> whirlpool. > >I haven't heard about this. In what you have read/heard is salt water >recommended in the morning? I would like more details if you have any. > >--------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1999 Report Share Posted December 30, 1999 HI NO I NEVER TRIED THIS BEFOR BUT IF IT WORKS LET ME KNOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1999 Report Share Posted December 30, 1999 fsting is not necessarily the best thing for you, seeing as you have medical complications. you should definitely talk to someone who is worth their salt in the fasting area. personally, i would just add a tablespoon of fresh garlic to what you are eating onthe diet and up your water to a gallon a day for at least three days...longer if you can manage it. this should thin your blood and loosen the bad stuff out of the liver and arteries and eventually the rest of the body. also the apple cider vinegar and honey in warm water would do the same. Re: ER4YT & NAET >>Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:37:38 -0900 >> >>From: " jverner " <jverner@...> >> >> >>So what is this NAET? I think there is definitely something to the ER4YT >>system with avoiding the avoids - but still don't want to consume the >>amounts of meat it says and I know Aikya is the same. I believe what it is >>is that we are SUPPOSED to eat mostly veggies and alkaline foods. You can >>over do the meat. I still prefer fish and chicken/turkey over red meat. >>But in eating meat you definitely have to eat lots of veggies, etc. to keep >>your ph right. Even with grains the processing changes them too. But of >>course should only have spelt variety wheat and not too much. I love brown >>rice. I am LDS (Mormon) and we have what we believe to be inspired >>revelation straight from the top (our creator) that tells us to " eat meat >>sparingly and only in times of cold, famine or excess of hunger. " We have >>also been told its wrong to " forbid to eat meat. " (although a vegetarian >>lifestyle is not wrong and definitely right for some but not all). I >>really >>believe in that and feel it. But I also feel it when I eat the avoids. I >>think the way the orientals eat is ideal in that they use a little meat >>with >>a lot of veggies. Someday I believe we will all be vegetarians and not eat >>other living things - but for now its what our bodies have adjusted to >>genetically over the years in our present state. Spring/summer is the >>cleansing season where we want to eat lighter. Here in AK they have found >>Eskimos are predominantly O's and have adjusted very well (and healthily) >>to >>very high in fat/protein diets. Good thing. For meat - wild or >>unprocessed >>(like your own moose, bear, deer, whatever) is best in my opinion. Fresh >>salmon - halibut. Angus beef (boy is it better). But in moderation. >>Thats >>my feeling. Tell us about this NAET diet. Jeanie >> >> >> > From: Mgrummitt@... >> > >> > Hi One and All, >> > >> > I'm confused! Prior to finding out about NAET on a list I was a >>follower >> > of d'Adamo's " Eat Right 4 Your Type " for " O " types. Prior to NAET >>it >> > was necessary to follow this diet due to my food intolerances. A search >> > engine will produce many hits including d'Adamo's and Devi >> > Nambudripad's site (which is down presently). >> > >> > Previously I thought the ER4YT " O " diet was the ideal diet for us O >>types >> > but now with NAET I'm not so sure! Now I want to continue with my >>natural >> > food diet but am leaning more towards foods, which alkalinize the body >>in >> > order to reduce calcium depletion. This includes less meat intake. NAET >>has >> > opened doors for me that I'm not sure I want to enter! >> > >> > Thanks for sharing, >> > Murray Grummitt >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 In a message dated 12/30/99 7:04:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, maria1030@... writes: > I have been thinking about doing a juice fast, to clear out my system. Have > had thyroid and all sorts of things going on with me. Has anyone tried > this? Would like to know results. Also, one concern I have is with > hypothyroidism and low metabolism as it is, would it hurt me to do this? > Any thoughts, experiences would be helpful. Thanks! Hi and All, I have just completed a 3 day juice fast called " the Master Cleanser " by Stanley Burroughs. As previously I expect to derrive great benefit from it. We were never meant to eat the way we do! I recommend you get the book of the same title. In Love & Light, Murray Grummitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 Aikya, I'm one of those people whose metabolism slows for survival. It's worse after years of starving myself. The last time I tried a liquid fast I got really ill. I think my body will be glad when the holidays are past and I can get back on the diet. Rochelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1999 Report Share Posted December 31, 1999 You might want to consult with a health care pro before you try the fast and that too one who knows thyroid anomalies. Some people's metabolism slows down even more when they fast. It's some kind of survival adaptation. Also, stomach acid can increase a lot during a fast. For some people--and I suspect Type O's may be the group -- this can be a nasty problem. It's just an intuition of mine at this moment, but I think a vegetable juice fast would be better than a fruit juice experience. Just a hunch about the acid alkaline balance. Aikya Re: ER4YT & NAET > >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:37:38 -0900 > > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > > > > > >So what is this NAET? I think there is definitely something to the ER4YT > >system with avoiding the avoids - but still don't want to consume the > >amounts of meat it says and I know Aikya is the same. I believe what it is > >is that we are SUPPOSED to eat mostly veggies and alkaline foods. You can > >over do the meat. I still prefer fish and chicken/turkey over red meat. > >But in eating meat you definitely have to eat lots of veggies, etc. to keep > >your ph right. Even with grains the processing changes them too. But of > >course should only have spelt variety wheat and not too much. I love brown > >rice. I am LDS (Mormon) and we have what we believe to be inspired > >revelation straight from the top (our creator) that tells us to " eat meat > >sparingly and only in times of cold, famine or excess of hunger. " We have > >also been told its wrong to " forbid to eat meat. " (although a vegetarian > >lifestyle is not wrong and definitely right for some but not all). I > >really > >believe in that and feel it. But I also feel it when I eat the avoids. I > >think the way the orientals eat is ideal in that they use a little meat > >with > >a lot of veggies. Someday I believe we will all be vegetarians and not eat > >other living things - but for now its what our bodies have adjusted to > >genetically over the years in our present state. Spring/summer is the > >cleansing season where we want to eat lighter. Here in AK they have found > >Eskimos are predominantly O's and have adjusted very well (and healthily) > >to > >very high in fat/protein diets. Good thing. For meat - wild or > >unprocessed > >(like your own moose, bear, deer, whatever) is best in my opinion. Fresh > >salmon - halibut. Angus beef (boy is it better). But in moderation. > >Thats > >my feeling. Tell us about this NAET diet. Jeanie > > > > > > > From: Mgrummitt@... > > > > > > Hi One and All, > > > > > > I'm confused! Prior to finding out about NAET on a list I was a > >follower > > > of d'Adamo's " Eat Right 4 Your Type " for " O " types. Prior to NAET > >it > > > was necessary to follow this diet due to my food intolerances. A search > > > engine will produce many hits including d'Adamo's and Devi > > > Nambudripad's site (which is down presently). > > > > > > Previously I thought the ER4YT " O " diet was the ideal diet for us O > >types > > > but now with NAET I'm not so sure! Now I want to continue with my > >natural > > > food diet but am leaning more towards foods, which alkalinize the body > >in > > > order to reduce calcium depletion. This includes less meat intake. NAET > >has > > > opened doors for me that I'm not sure I want to enter! > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > Murray Grummitt > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2000 Report Share Posted January 1, 2000 Hi - I have cleansed many many times. There are things you can take to enhance your cleanses and help you through it. I just back back from a long trip from ANchorage and will write more on it a little later. I am fading fast. I need to cleanse too. I will write more tonight or tomorrow. Jeanie > I have been thinking about doing a juice fast, to clear out my system. Have > had thyroid and all sorts of things going on with me. Has anyone tried > this? Would like to know results. Also, one concern I have is with > hypothyroidism and low metabolism as it is, would it hurt me to do this? > Any thoughts, experiences would be helpful. Thanks! > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > >Reply-onelist > ><onelist> > >Subject: Re: ER4YT & NAET > >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:37:38 -0900 > > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > > > > > >So what is this NAET? I think there is definitely something to the ER4YT > >system with avoiding the avoids - but still don't want to consume the > >amounts of meat it says and I know Aikya is the same. I believe what it is > >is that we are SUPPOSED to eat mostly veggies and alkaline foods. You can > >over do the meat. I still prefer fish and chicken/turkey over red meat. > >But in eating meat you definitely have to eat lots of veggies, etc. to keep > >your ph right. Even with grains the processing changes them too. But of > >course should only have spelt variety wheat and not too much. I love brown > >rice. I am LDS (Mormon) and we have what we believe to be inspired > >revelation straight from the top (our creator) that tells us to " eat meat > >sparingly and only in times of cold, famine or excess of hunger. " We have > >also been told its wrong to " forbid to eat meat. " (although a vegetarian > >lifestyle is not wrong and definitely right for some but not all). I > >really > >believe in that and feel it. But I also feel it when I eat the avoids. I > >think the way the orientals eat is ideal in that they use a little meat > >with > >a lot of veggies. Someday I believe we will all be vegetarians and not eat > >other living things - but for now its what our bodies have adjusted to > >genetically over the years in our present state. Spring/summer is the > >cleansing season where we want to eat lighter. Here in AK they have found > >Eskimos are predominantly O's and have adjusted very well (and healthily) > >to > >very high in fat/protein diets. Good thing. For meat - wild or > >unprocessed > >(like your own moose, bear, deer, whatever) is best in my opinion. Fresh > >salmon - halibut. Angus beef (boy is it better). But in moderation. > >Thats > >my feeling. Tell us about this NAET diet. Jeanie > > > > > > > From: Mgrummitt@... > > > > > > Hi One and All, > > > > > > I'm confused! Prior to finding out about NAET on a list I was a > >follower > > > of d'Adamo's " Eat Right 4 Your Type " for " O " types. Prior to NAET > >it > > > was necessary to follow this diet due to my food intolerances. A search > > > engine will produce many hits including d'Adamo's and Devi > > > Nambudripad's site (which is down presently). > > > > > > Previously I thought the ER4YT " O " diet was the ideal diet for us O > >types > > > but now with NAET I'm not so sure! Now I want to continue with my > >natural > > > food diet but am leaning more towards foods, which alkalinize the body > >in > > > order to reduce calcium depletion. This includes less meat intake. NAET > >has > > > opened doors for me that I'm not sure I want to enter! > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > Murray Grummitt > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2000 Report Share Posted January 1, 2000 Look forward to hearing from you. I have been at the same weight, no matter what I do, for a over a year. Gain weight easily and don't lose it. I want to get someting to kick in, I also pigged completely out on sugar, white flour etc. over the holidays and need to get that junk out of my body. (by the way I am retaining a ton of water, and am sure I gained weight but haven' tchecked - blew up like a balloon). All the weight goes in my face and stomach. Disgusting. Hope you had a Happy New Year! >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> >Reply-onelist ><onelist> >Subject: Re: fasting >Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:36:24 -0900 > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > >Hi - I have cleansed many many times. There are things you can take >to enhance your cleanses and help you through it. I just back back from a >long trip from ANchorage and will write more on it a little later. I am >fading fast. I need to cleanse too. I will write more tonight or >tomorrow. >Jeanie > > > I have been thinking about doing a juice fast, to clear out my system. >Have > > had thyroid and all sorts of things going on with me. Has anyone tried > > this? Would like to know results. Also, one concern I have is with > > hypothyroidism and low metabolism as it is, would it hurt me to do this? > > Any thoughts, experiences would be helpful. Thanks! > > > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > > >Reply-onelist > > ><onelist> > > >Subject: Re: ER4YT & NAET > > >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:37:38 -0900 > > > > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > > > > > > > > >So what is this NAET? I think there is definitely something to the >ER4YT > > >system with avoiding the avoids - but still don't want to consume the > > >amounts of meat it says and I know Aikya is the same. I believe what >it >is > > >is that we are SUPPOSED to eat mostly veggies and alkaline foods. You >can > > >over do the meat. I still prefer fish and chicken/turkey over red >meat. > > >But in eating meat you definitely have to eat lots of veggies, etc. to >keep > > >your ph right. Even with grains the processing changes them too. But >of > > >course should only have spelt variety wheat and not too much. I love >brown > > >rice. I am LDS (Mormon) and we have what we believe to be inspired > > >revelation straight from the top (our creator) that tells us to " eat >meat > > >sparingly and only in times of cold, famine or excess of hunger. " We >have > > >also been told its wrong to " forbid to eat meat. " (although a >vegetarian > > >lifestyle is not wrong and definitely right for some but not all). I > > >really > > >believe in that and feel it. But I also feel it when I eat the avoids. >I > > >think the way the orientals eat is ideal in that they use a little meat > > >with > > >a lot of veggies. Someday I believe we will all be vegetarians and not >eat > > >other living things - but for now its what our bodies have adjusted to > > >genetically over the years in our present state. Spring/summer is the > > >cleansing season where we want to eat lighter. Here in AK they have >found > > >Eskimos are predominantly O's and have adjusted very well (and >healthily) > > >to > > >very high in fat/protein diets. Good thing. For meat - wild or > > >unprocessed > > >(like your own moose, bear, deer, whatever) is best in my opinion. >Fresh > > >salmon - halibut. Angus beef (boy is it better). But in moderation. > > >Thats > > >my feeling. Tell us about this NAET diet. Jeanie > > > > > > > > > > From: Mgrummitt@... > > > > > > > > Hi One and All, > > > > > > > > I'm confused! Prior to finding out about NAET on a list I was a > > >follower > > > > of d'Adamo's " Eat Right 4 Your Type " for " O " types. Prior to >NAET > > >it > > > > was necessary to follow this diet due to my food intolerances. A >search > > > > engine will produce many hits including d'Adamo's and Devi > > > > Nambudripad's site (which is down presently). > > > > > > > > Previously I thought the ER4YT " O " diet was the ideal diet for >us >O > > >types > > > > but now with NAET I'm not so sure! Now I want to continue with my > > >natural > > > > food diet but am leaning more towards foods, which alkalinize the >body > > >in > > > > order to reduce calcium depletion. This includes less meat intake. >NAET > > >has > > > > opened doors for me that I'm not sure I want to enter! > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > > Murray Grummitt > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2000 Report Share Posted January 2, 2000 Hi - I'm no expert, of course, and even lots of personal experience doesn't mean what I have done is right for you. When I first started doing cleansing fasts many years ago I worked for an Osteopath and his Naturopath wife and they did muscle testing on me to figure out what my body needed. Back then I did lemon juice fasts. I had hypoglycemia, too, but it always ended up regulating me that way instead of what you might think and there were times, during the fasts, that I had unbelievable energy. I was in my early 20's then, though, and am nearly 40 now. When I have cleansed since then I have usually done the Dr. cleanses. I just forwarded something from his website after looking for cleansing info which I couldn't find - but its on there somewhere. The article is still informative in general. I think Aikya's point is good, though, about doing veggie juice cleansing especially if you've never cleansed before. I would even go so far as to suggest raw fruit and veggies and juices. Not even a complete juice fast and make sure you either use health food brands or do your own juicing. I do that a day or two before and after cleanses to prepare for cleanses too. They are slower cleanses - but do help. I knew someone who did that once a week and it could really help with breaking habits/addictions (I've been on a chocolate kick which I am breaking as of today) and regulating weight (as long as you don't pig out afterward which I have done before). Another thing I try to do is eat nothing but fruit before noon which helps me. In Fit for Life they teach that it is your bodies cleansing period. When I first started doing it I dropped several pounds right away. I've heard many times that fruit in morning - raw food in afternoon and cooked food/grains in the evening is best for digestion (of course as O's you can add protein along with your raw or cooked veggies). I also use different herbal products with cleansing effects. I use red clover combination sometimes. I have used some of the packaged 10 day cleanses through Natures Sunshine which are effective. Presently I am using Awareness Products " Imagine " which is advertised as an inch loss product which has a powerful cleansing effect and works on all the glands (including thyroid) and the liver and kidneys. Its herbal. It was working for me before the holidays and my not taking it. It is even known to help release mercury from the tissues and thyroid (from amalgam fillings). Its a slow process, but for me the best complete program I've found. They also have colon cleansing products and products to normalize candida/parasites, etc. which help me with sugar cravings (got off it around the holidays) and some really really good nutritional building products and immune building products. Expensive but worth it to me. Sometimes cleansing slower with us being older and sicker is the safest least dangerous way to go. I was on the complete Awareness program up until about a month ago and was taking too much and was cleansing too fast and I wasn't functioning well so now that I am getting back into it am going to take it slower but add some cleansing fasts with it and eat better. If you still want to try a liquid fast - there are lots of different ways to go. Dr. s are good and that site with /dusan/ at the bottom of our er4yt e-mails has some. But they can make you sick and you have to be very careful how you eat once you come off them. You will be much more sensitive to the bad stuff. I have had great results from cleanses - but sometimes once y ou put yourself into that state your body wants to keep it going longer and you may not feel good eating normal afterward. Most of our bodies are pretty toxic. I use to cleanse and go to work when I was younger and sometimes even now my mind has a clarity when I cleanse - but you have to stay close to a bathroom and can feel very sick off and on. During those times you need to flush flush flush. I have taken Fasting Plus which helps clean the liver and stabilize blood sugar. I have used spirulina while I cleansed to add protein and green stuff (blanking on what its called) and I like to use bulking agents to help clear the bowels. Dr. s cleanses include using prune juice in the morning. By the way - I had some black cherry juice down in Anchorage and it worked quite effectively that way. HB for us. Wish I could find it up here. Anyone know what makes it so healthy for us? Hope some of this has helped. Let us know what you do and how it goes. I need to cleanse soon too. We are in the deep freeze up here - 47 below with ice fog and its a good time to hole up. Take care . Jeanie > From: " nope " <maria1030@...> > > > I have been thinking about doing a juice fast, to clear out my system. Have > had thyroid and all sorts of things going on with me. Has anyone tried > this? Would like to know results. Also, one concern I have is with > hypothyroidism and low metabolism as it is, would it hurt me to do this? > Any thoughts, experiences would be helpful. Thanks! > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > >Reply-onelist > ><onelist> > >Subject: Re: ER4YT & NAET > >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:37:38 -0900 > > > >From: " jverner " <jverner@...> > > > > > >So what is this NAET? I think there is definitely something to the ER4YT > >system with avoiding the avoids - but still don't want to consume the > >amounts of meat it says and I know Aikya is the same. I believe what it is > >is that we are SUPPOSED to eat mostly veggies and alkaline foods. You can > >over do the meat. I still prefer fish and chicken/turkey over red meat. > >But in eating meat you definitely have to eat lots of veggies, etc. to keep > >your ph right. Even with grains the processing changes them too. But of > >course should only have spelt variety wheat and not too much. I love brown > >rice. I am LDS (Mormon) and we have what we believe to be inspired > >revelation straight from the top (our creator) that tells us to " eat meat > >sparingly and only in times of cold, famine or excess of hunger. " We have > >also been told its wrong to " forbid to eat meat. " (although a vegetarian > >lifestyle is not wrong and definitely right for some but not all). I > >really > >believe in that and feel it. But I also feel it when I eat the avoids. I > >think the way the orientals eat is ideal in that they use a little meat > >with > >a lot of veggies. Someday I believe we will all be vegetarians and not eat > >other living things - but for now its what our bodies have adjusted to > >genetically over the years in our present state. Spring/summer is the > >cleansing season where we want to eat lighter. Here in AK they have found > >Eskimos are predominantly O's and have adjusted very well (and healthily) > >to > >very high in fat/protein diets. Good thing. For meat - wild or > >unprocessed > >(like your own moose, bear, deer, whatever) is best in my opinion. Fresh > >salmon - halibut. Angus beef (boy is it better). But in moderation. > >Thats > >my feeling. Tell us about this NAET diet. Jeanie > > > > > > > From: Mgrummitt@... > > > > > > Hi One and All, > > > > > > I'm confused! Prior to finding out about NAET on a list I was a > >follower > > > of d'Adamo's " Eat Right 4 Your Type " for " O " types. Prior to NAET > >it > > > was necessary to follow this diet due to my food intolerances. A search > > > engine will produce many hits including d'Adamo's and Devi > > > Nambudripad's site (which is down presently). > > > > > > Previously I thought the ER4YT " O " diet was the ideal diet for us O > >types > > > but now with NAET I'm not so sure! Now I want to continue with my > >natural > > > food diet but am leaning more towards foods, which alkalinize the body > >in > > > order to reduce calcium depletion. This includes less meat intake. NAET > >has > > > opened doors for me that I'm not sure I want to enter! > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, > > > Murray Grummitt > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Why do you have to fast at all? Not for controlling liver disease, I hope , as that may further worsen the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2000 Report Share Posted January 28, 2000 Why do you have to fast at all? Not for controlling liver disease, I hope , as that may further worsen the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2000 Report Share Posted February 2, 2000 >In addition, my heart pounds every time I eat. Now I know why! However if I >fast, I faint. Catch 22 here! > >Christie Hi Christie, all I experienced this too and thought it was a sign that I was allergic to that particular food. I tried to find the cause and finally completely excluded gluten and sugar from my diet. (Mainly the food containing both of them caused the pounding - it was ok with vegetables or fruit or chicken) Stania Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Fasting one day a weak is required of our faith. and I agree with the past posing messages Thanks Larry =+ http://community.webtv.net/Library-Info-/FluClodCure Believing Will Get You There... =+ http://community.webtv.net/MOLECULARROCK/NEWVOTINGSYSTEM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 Corny, I'd be interested to know how you approached the water fast. Did you go it alone, with supervision, etc. I have done 2 seven-day water fasts. It's time to do another but I'm debating whether to do just the water or perhaps go the Master Cleanse route. Thanks, Jeff On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Mike E Cornwall wrote: > Patty > That was a BEAUTIFUL summation of the history and powerful benefits of > fasting!! > > I don't think many people have experienced it, especially a long fast. > My 24 day water fast was a watershed in my search for health. It is a > tremendous and comparatively VERY quick way to overcome many serious > degenerative (and other) diseases. Comparatively inexpensive, too. > > The psychological benefits are also very valuable. Fasting teaches > discipline, patience, determination, resolve. When you are finished, you > are a STRONGER individual, both physically and mentally. > > Corny > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 In a message dated 11/14/00 11:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, corny88@... writes: As someone who also went through a fast, I would recommend that you truly research fasting before deciding to do it. I did a 17 day fast because of digestive problems, with the hope that it would finally resolve my problems. I did it under medical supervision in a fasting clinic with weekly blood work. I went in to the fast weighing 100 lbs (I am 5'7 " ) and went down to 86 lbs. Although I did recover the weight, my health has never recovered. In my condition, although the fast did " clean house " , it did not restore my health - which I continue to struggle with. It is not a cure all for everyone - like any other healing modality learn all the pro's and con's before deciding on this avenue. << That was a BEAUTIFUL summation of the history and powerful benefits of fasting!! I don't think many people have experienced it, especially a long fast. My 24 day water fast was a watershed in my search for health. It is a tremendous and comparatively VERY quick way to overcome many serious degenerative (and other) diseases. Comparatively inexpensive, too. The psychological benefits are also very valuable. Fasting teaches discipline, patience, determination, resolve. When you are finished, you are a STRONGER individual, both physically and mentally. Corny >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 Jeff the 24 day water fast was done at a fasting clinic. A long one should be supervised. Since you are a veteran, shorter fasts are ok at home, in my opinion, IF you don't have a serious disease. I really don't know if a " Master Cleanse " approach, or a " juice fast " approach, or maybe a " lemon juice and cayenne pepper " approach would be better. Water fasts are all I've ever done. The water fast enthusiasts say that taking anything other than water while fasting actually slows down the healing process. Maybe someone out there can chime in on this? Corny On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:51:11 -1000 A Hatcher <jhatcher@...> writes: > Corny, I'd be interested to know how you approached the water fast. > Did > you go it alone, with supervision, etc. I have done 2 seven-day > water > fasts. It's time to do another but I'm debating whether to do just > the > water or perhaps go the Master Cleanse route. Thanks, Jeff > > On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Mike E Cornwall wrote: > > > Patty > > That was a BEAUTIFUL summation of the history and powerful > benefits of > > fasting!! > > > > I don't think many people have experienced it, especially a long > fast. > > My 24 day water fast was a watershed in my search for health. It > is a > > tremendous and comparatively VERY quick way to overcome many > serious > > degenerative (and other) diseases. Comparatively inexpensive, > too. > > > > The psychological benefits are also very valuable. Fasting > teaches > > discipline, patience, determination, resolve. When you are > finished, you > > are a STRONGER individual, both physically and mentally. > > > > Corny > > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to > normal mode. > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 sorry to hear that your problems were not helped by your 17 day fast. What exactly was your GI tract problem? If a serious one, then 17 days is not really long enough for significant improvement, in my opinion (based upon my own experience and observing others while on my 24 day fast). I know that body weight is an important issue when considering fasting. Like you, I had no extra weight to spare when I fasted. It can really deter us from doing it again. If you pay attention to what is being said on this wonderful forum, you will find that there are other VERY effective approaches to solving whatever health problems we may have. Go ahead and ASK for help! You will be rewarded! Corny On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 08:45:27 EST spiritblis@... writes: > In a message dated 11/14/00 11:30:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, > corny88@... writes: > > As someone who also went through a fast, I would recommend that you > truly > research fasting before deciding to do it. I did a 17 day fast > because of > digestive problems, with the hope that it would finally resolve my > problems. > I did it under medical supervision in a fasting clinic with weekly > blood > work. I went in to the fast weighing 100 lbs (I am 5'7 " ) and went > down to 86 > lbs. Although I did recover the weight, my health has never > recovered. In > my condition, although the fast did " clean house " , it did not > restore my > health - which I continue to struggle with. It is not a cure all > for > everyone - like any other healing modality learn all the pro's and > con's > before deciding on this avenue. > > > > << That was a BEAUTIFUL summation of the history and powerful > benefits of > fasting!! > > I don't think many people have experienced it, especially a long > fast. > My 24 day water fast was a watershed in my search for health. It > is a > tremendous and comparatively VERY quick way to overcome many > serious > degenerative (and other) diseases. Comparatively inexpensive, too. > > The psychological benefits are also very valuable. Fasting teaches > discipline, patience, determination, resolve. When you are > finished, you > are a STRONGER individual, both physically and mentally. > > Corny > >> > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 In a message dated 11/16/2000 4:40:31 PM Central Standard Time, faussettdp@... writes: << Since that time, I have done other water only fasts, and had the rash again, on a smaller scale. By my experience, I can conclude that water only fasts, as well as the Master Cleanse produce intense cleansing reactions with the release of toxins through the skin. Juice only fasts, while beneficial, do not produce the same results. Patty >> ______________ Patty, I find this interesting. When I was juice fasting at one point, my legs drew up behind me and I couldn't straighten them for almost a day so did nothing but lay in bed. If I had been water fasting, it may have been much worse. Although I have done that for very short periods like 3 days. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 >> Water fasts are all I've ever done. The water fast enthusiasts > say that taking anything other than water while fasting actually slows > down the healing process. Maybe someone out there can chime in on this? I can, as I have done fasts with water only, fasts with the lemon juice/maple syrup/cayenne in water combination, and juice only fasts. I think my experiences, below, will highlight what kind of cleansing can happen. My first fasts after I became ill from toxic exposure were the lemon juice/maple syrup/cayenne in water fasts (the " Master Cleanse " ). These were supervised by a naturopath. The first fast was actually supposed to be my initial " introductory " fast of 3 days, but by the third day, I had a rash covering my breasts, and when I called him in panic about the rash, he said that it was a good sign, that it was toxins coming out through the skin on my breasts. I decided to go ahead and extend the fast to 5 days, as I did not want that exciting cleansing process to end. By the end of the 5 days, I had a rash also appearing on my scalp at the back of my head. (Very interesting, as I had a brain MRI earlier in the year that had shown slight atrophy in the rear of my brain....). After that 5 day fast, I waited a week to recoup some nutritional reserves, and the rash slowly disappeared over a few days. Then the doctor put me on a 10 day fast. Again, by the third day, the rash appeared on my breasts again, and on the back of my head, and was evident throughout the entire fasting period. The rash on my head took about a month to disappear. Awhile later, after doing some in-depth reading on fasting, I decided to do water only fasts, without the lemon juice combo. I did varying durations, of 3 days, 5 days, 8 days, and 10 days, and each and every time, I had the rash on my breasts and head. As long as the rash was appearing, I knew I was still dealing with some toxins. Finally, I tried a juice only fast. This lasted 14 days. During that entire 14 day period, I did not have a rash, and I was drinking several glasses of freshly extracted carrot juice daily. Since that time, I have done other water only fasts, and had the rash again, on a smaller scale. By my experience, I can conclude that water only fasts, as well as the Master Cleanse produce intense cleansing reactions with the release of toxins through the skin. Juice only fasts, while beneficial, do not produce the same results. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2001 Report Share Posted July 15, 2001 Dennis Our world is not appreciably different from the one that I water fasted in some years ago with great success. Don't miss my point: our bodies have the ability to detox and rectify most ailments with a simple water fast. Corny On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:47:20 -0400 dl <dlipter@...> writes: > The world we live in today is not the same world that Jesus lived in. > It > is much more polluted. > > Dennis > > Mike E Cornwall wrote: > > > Hyperbaroman > > > > I did a 24 day fast on water only. Excellent results. I tend to > > dismiss > > those who say we need to SUPPORT the liver or any other organ > during a > > > > fast. I was slim going in and lost an additional 24 pounds. Also > > shed > > various illnesses! The body has reserves of needed nutrients to > > support > > its functions during a fast. > > > > Mankind has been water fasting since Biblical ages, and before. > Read > > the > > results of Jesus and others with up to 40 day water fasts. > > > > " If it ain't broke, don't fix it. " > > > > Corny > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > and > > other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > > here are for information and research purposes only. We are > people > > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > you > > do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own > actions. By > > joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > > provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or > BODY > > of the message! : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to > normal > > mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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