Thyroid nodules

[Guest guest]

Wow that's quite a list of lab work- I'll take it to my doc and hope for the

best. She's pretty understanding.

Hmm I can't remember what my issues were with Lugol's but I sorta of remember

not feeling great and then going off it after reading that adrenal exhaustion

had to be addressed as well as the thyroid issues. Yes I'm in Canada- we have

acccess to great supplements (right now anyways) I'll definitely up the adrenal

supplements.

I rather suspect water could be another issue. We've had a distiller for over

20 years. It's clean but it's also dead and acidic and lately I'm wondering if

it isn't part of the problem. We've looked at ionizers but they're so pricey.

What kind of water do you drink?

I actually have become a pretty good gluten free baker thanks to some classes

and also Betty Hagman's books. I can fool my friends with yummy gluten free

goodies. The problem is they taste so good I eat too much- they feed my sweet

tooth and my candida. I'll check out your blog.

Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll start there and hopefully work forward.

Until I get the lab work done should I bother with trying Lugol's again or just

wait?

Thanks soooooo very much. You've given me some hope.

Kathy C

> >

> > Kathy by what tests are you deterring that your thyroid is fine. Being in

a range is not an all clear. Both my children were " in the ranges " but at the

low end. They are both on 2 grains of Armour thyroid now and doing well. Most

docs would have declared them fine. But mine - thank God - knew better and to

look at symptoms. My hunch with you is there are a few things going on:

> >

> > 1) You are very toxic and that is why you have all these health issues

> > 2) You have been low thyroid for a long time

> > 3) Undertreated thyroid has now cause adrenal fatigue as it can no longer

pick up the slack.

> > 4) I will make a guess that your sex hormones are in the dumper now as

well.

> >

> > Do you have recent lab test? The best ones to check are TSH, Free T3 and

Free T4

> >

> > Steph

> >

> >

> > Thyroid nodules

> >

> >

> > Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my

Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally that

I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My weariness

actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I won't but

that's how I feel most of the time lately)

> >

> > Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

> >

> > Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that

outlines it all?

> >

> > Thanks so much!

> >

> > God bless

> >

> > Kathy C (in Canada)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I used 600-800mcg of chromium to help with sugar cravings. It took about 4-6

weeks. Also, 1 tablespoon of cinnamon will help with that. I used the chromium

first for severe sugar cravings (also an adrenal symptom) and then cinnamon when

I fall off the wagon.

>

> Wow that's quite a list of lab work- I'll take it to my doc and hope for the

best. She's pretty understanding.

>

> Hmm I can't remember what my issues were with Lugol's but I sorta of remember

not feeling great and then going off it after reading that adrenal exhaustion

had to be addressed as well as the thyroid issues. Yes I'm in Canada- we have

acccess to great supplements (right now anyways) I'll definitely up the adrenal

supplements.

>

> I rather suspect water could be another issue. We've had a distiller for over

20 years. It's clean but it's also dead and acidic and lately I'm wondering if

it isn't part of the problem. We've looked at ionizers but they're so pricey.

What kind of water do you drink?

>

> I actually have become a pretty good gluten free baker thanks to some classes

and also Betty Hagman's books. I can fool my friends with yummy gluten free

goodies. The problem is they taste so good I eat too much- they feed my sweet

tooth and my candida. I'll check out your blog.

>

> Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll start there and hopefully work

forward.

>

> Until I get the lab work done should I bother with trying Lugol's again or

just wait?

>

> Thanks soooooo very much. You've given me some hope.

>

> Kathy C

>

>

[Guest guest]

I used to use chewing gum, One day I decided that instead of toothpaste I would use salty water. After using that for two days I just felt no desire to chew gum?

From: <angelalee0511@...>Subject: Re: Thyroid nodulesiodine Date: Tuesday, 20 October, 2009, 20:59

I used 600-800mcg of chromium to help with sugar cravings. It took about 4-6 weeks. Also, 1 tablespoon of cinnamon will help with that. I used the chromium first for severe sugar cravings (also an adrenal symptom) and then cinnamon when I fall off the wagon.>> Wow that's quite a list of lab work- I'll take it to my doc and hope for the best. She's pretty understanding.> > Hmm I can't remember what my issues were with Lugol's but I sorta of remember not feeling great and then going off it after reading that adrenal exhaustion had to be addressed as well as the thyroid issues. Yes I'm in Canada- we have acccess to great supplements (right now anyways) I'll definitely up the adrenal

supplements.> > I rather suspect water could be another issue. We've had a distiller for over 20 years. It's clean but it's also dead and acidic and lately I'm wondering if it isn't part of the problem. We've looked at ionizers but they're so pricey. What kind of water do you drink?> > I actually have become a pretty good gluten free baker thanks to some classes and also Betty Hagman's books. I can fool my friends with yummy gluten free goodies. The problem is they taste so good I eat too much- they feed my sweet tooth and my candida. I'll check out your blog.> > Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll start there and hopefully work forward. > > Until I get the lab work done should I bother with trying Lugol's again or just wait?> > Thanks soooooo very much. You've given me some hope.> > Kathy C > >

[Guest guest]

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> >

> > Wow that's quite a list of lab work- I'll take it to my doc and hope for the

best. She's pretty understanding.

> >

> > Hmm I can't remember what my issues were with Lugol's but I sorta of

remember not feeling great and then going off it after reading that adrenal

exhaustion had to be addressed as well as the thyroid issues. Yes I'm in

Canada- we have acccess to great supplements (right now anyways) I'll

definitely up the adrenal supplements.

> >

> > I rather suspect water could be another issue. We've had a distiller for

over 20 years. It's clean but it's also dead and acidic and lately I'm wondering

if it isn't part of the problem. We've looked at ionizers but they're so

pricey. What kind of water do you drink?

> >

> > I actually have become a pretty good gluten free baker thanks to some

classes and also Betty Hagman's books. I can fool my friends with yummy gluten

free goodies. The problem is they taste so good I eat too much- they feed my

sweet tooth and my candida. I'll check out your blog.

> >

> > Thanks for the other suggestions. I'll start there and hopefully work

forward.

> >

> > Until I get the lab work done should I bother with trying Lugol's again or

just wait?

> >

> > Thanks soooooo very much. You've given me some hope.

> >

> > Kathy C

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Stop the Thyroid Madness is an excellent website!!

>

> Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my Rt

thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally that

I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My

weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I

won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately)

>

> Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

>

> Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that outlines

it all?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> God bless

>

> Kathy C (in Canada)

>

[Guest guest]

The “lying down and giving

up” sounds like adrenals. I know exactly how that feels.

The thyroid and adrenals are so connected that they both need treated. I think

there is some info on adrenals on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site too.

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of mswix

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:40 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Thyroid nodules

Stop the Thyroid Madness is an excellent website!!

>

> Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my

Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally

that I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My

weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I

won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately)

>

> Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

>

> Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that

outlines it all?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> God bless

>

> Kathy C (in Canada)

>

[Guest guest]

can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could add....i told her to do more salt....From: bfsmo <bfsmo@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:10:02 AMSubject: RE: Re: Thyroid nodules

The “lying down and giving

up†sounds like adrenals. I know exactly how that feels.

The thyroid and adrenals are so connected that they both need treated. I think

there is some info on adrenals on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site too.

From:

iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of mswix

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:40 AM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Thyroid nodules

Stop the Thyroid Madness is an excellent website!!

>

> Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my

Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally

that I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My

weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I

won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately)

>

> Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

>

> Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that

outlines it all?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> God bless

>

> Kathy C (in Canada)

>

[Guest guest]

Go to adrenalfatigue.org.  That is

a Dr. ’s site.  I bought his book and it was helpful.  When I was

feeling my worst my doctor gave me Cortef which is a low dose steroid that

helps replace what your adrenals can’t make until they are doing better.  You

would have to have a prescription for that.  If you take your temps and they

are low then you have a thyroid issue.  If you take your temps and they are

unstable from day to day then it is probably adrenals.  Read over Dr. ’s

site and see if that clears up anything for you.  That along with Stop the

Thyroid madness has lots of information.  I believe that you have to support

your adrenals before you can add the thyroid.  That is probably why her temps

stay up for a while and then fall.

Beebe

From:

iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of dawn

volz

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:14 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: Re: Thyroid nodules

can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then they start

to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she probably needs adrenal

support...but without testing those due to cost and lack of knowledge is there

a way i could support her adrenals so she could use that NT more efficiently

and stop pushing it toward RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements

to raise ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

add....i told her to do more salt....

From: bfsmo

<bfsmo@...>

iodine

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:10:02 AM

Subject: RE: Re: Thyroid nodules

The “lying down and giving up†sounds like

adrenals. I know exactly how that feels. The thyroid and

adrenals are so connected that they both need treated. I think there is

some info on adrenals on the Stop the Thyroid Madness site too.

From:

iodinegroups (DOT) com [mailto:iodine] On Behalf Of mswix

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:40 AM

iodinegroups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Thyroid nodules

Stop the Thyroid Madness is an excellent website!!

>

> Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my

Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally

that I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My

weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I

won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately)

>

> Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

>

> Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that

outlines it all?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> God bless

>

> Kathy C (in Canada)

>

[Guest guest]

I have a temperature graph that I use for charting temps to determine thyroid or adrenals. When gets back, I'll send it to her and get approval for upload to the site. It's been very helpful for me.

As far as T4 shunting to RT3. There is a reason this is happening. It could be adrenal, low vitamin D or B12, low ferritin. You must correct that problem first. Then the only way I know of to clear out the RT3 is T3 only for a short period of time. When you have corrected the underlying problem, you can then add back the T4.

And I'm going to make a statement that may make me less popular here. Be very careful with the STTM site. I have known a few people who have followed advice from that site and either wound up in the ER or had severe problems later. I also hear rumors that they have gotten in a little hot water for dispensing medical advice without a license. All I'm saying is be careful and do not follow any advice given without consulting your doctor. A good source for thyroid information is the Thyroid USA group on .

>> can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could add....i told her to do more salt....> > > > > ________________________________>

[Guest guest]

what happens though now that she is already on NT prior to fixing low ferritin and vitamin D and B12..we are now working on all of those and they seem to be improving (blood work looked better with regard to that) but her temp still sits at 97.4 and her weight does not budge down....can we keep her on NT and somehow improve her adrenals while continuing to work on other stuff like ferritin...her doc will not prescribe T3 or cortisol so what do i do to help her clear her RT3 or can it not be done?? if she continues stable on her current protocol will the RT3 get worse over time or will it gradually improve assuming we get ferritin etc up and support her adrenals?? the temperature chart would be useful but she is in highschool and not home during day to do temps...so i am mostly

going on basal body tempif supporting adrenals would be helpful at this point what would you recommend me to try??From: <angelalee0511@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:20:05 PMSubject: Re: Thyroid nodules

I have a temperature graph that I use for charting temps to determine thyroid or adrenals. When gets back, I'll send it to her and get approval for upload to the site. It's been very helpful for me.

As far as T4 shunting to RT3. There is a reason this is happening. It could be adrenal, low vitamin D or B12, low ferritin. You must correct that problem first. Then the only way I know of to clear out the RT3 is T3 only for a short period of time. When you have corrected the underlying problem, you can then add back the T4.

And I'm going to make a statement that may make me less popular here. Be very careful with the STTM site. I have known a few people who have followed advice from that site and either wound up in the ER or had severe problems later. I also hear rumors that they have gotten in a little hot water for dispensing medical advice without a license. All I'm saying is be careful and do not follow any advice given without consulting your doctor. A good source for thyroid information is the Thyroid USA group on .

>> can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could add....i told her to do more salt....> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __>

[Guest guest]

has said that rT3 is a liver issue. IMO taking T3 only

doesn't make sense.

I am here on the internet b/c this is where the best health information

is, and I sure would not consult my doctor about it. I like my doc but

most of them are part of the problem. I have self treated for many

years and never ended up in the ER. I don't know how popular you are

but you are less credible.

Gracia

wrote:

>

>

> I have a temperature graph that I use for charting temps to determine

> thyroid or adrenals. When gets back, I'll send it to her

> and get approval for upload to the site. It's been very helpful for me.

>

> As far as T4 shunting to RT3. There is a reason this is happening.

> It could be adrenal, low vitamin D or B12, low ferritin. You must

> correct that problem first. Then the only way I know of to clear out

> the RT3 is T3 only for a short period of time. When you have

> corrected the underlying problem, you can then add back the T4.

>

> And I'm going to make a statement that may make me less popular here.

> Be very careful with the STTM site. I have known a few people who

> have followed advice from that site and either wound up in the ER or

> had severe problems later. I also hear rumors that they have gotten

> in a little hot water for dispensing medical advice without a

> license. All I'm saying is be careful and do not follow any advice

> given without consulting your doctor. A good source for thyroid

> information is the Thyroid USA group on .

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

> increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then

> they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she

> probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost

> and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so

> she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise

> ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

> add....i told her to do more salt....

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

so if it is a liver issue how can i help her reverse her RT3 issue and get more of that T3 into her cells so she is not hypo feeling?? how do you do it..i am hesitant to use T3 only due to dosing schedule for her..but if her FT3 is at top of range and T4 is good and she is still hypo then we assume RT3 issue correct...i am supporting her in all ways i can..do you know of anything special that will help..she is hashis and on iodine protocolFrom:

Gracia <circe@...>iodine Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:56:14 PMSubject: Re: Re: Thyroid nodules

has said that rT3 is a liver issue. IMO taking T3 only

doesn't make sense.

I am here on the internet b/c this is where the best health information

is, and I sure would not consult my doctor about it. I like my doc but

most of them are part of the problem. I have self treated for many

years and never ended up in the ER. I don't know how popular you are

but you are less credible.

Gracia

wrote:

>

>

> I have a temperature graph that I use for charting temps to determine

> thyroid or adrenals. When gets back, I'll send it to her

> and get approval for upload to the site. It's been very helpful for me.

>

> As far as T4 shunting to RT3. There is a reason this is happening.

> It could be adrenal, low vitamin D or B12, low ferritin. You must

> correct that problem first. Then the only way I know of to clear out

> the RT3 is T3 only for a short period of time. When you have

> corrected the underlying problem, you can then add back the T4.

>

> And I'm going to make a statement that may make me less popular here.

> Be very careful with the STTM site. I have known a few people who

> have followed advice from that site and either wound up in the ER or

> had severe problems later. I also hear rumors that they have gotten

> in a little hot water for dispensing medical advice without a

> license. All I'm saying is be careful and do not follow any advice

> given without consulting your doctor. A good source for thyroid

> information is the Thyroid USA group on .

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> > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

> increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then

> they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she

> probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost

> and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so

> she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise

> ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

> add....i told her to do more salt....

> >

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there is a special group for RT3 and there they let you test RT3 and calculate

the ratio FT3 /RT3.then they will ask you to fix adrenal and ferritine and then

few months on T3 alone.

if you want to fix the liver one of the best supplements is alpha lipoic acid

from a good brand selenium and milk thistle.

> > >

> > > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

> > increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then

> > they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she

> > probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost

> > and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so

> > she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> > RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise

> > ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

> > add....i told her to do more salt....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >

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[Guest guest]

I know this is going to so stupid , but what is rt3? I have low free t3. How do these differ? My d3 is low 11.7 and I was told this could cause low free t3. I would also love to hear from anyone who has calcified thyroid nodules and your outcome. Will iodine help any or all of these?.:*:.~.:*:.ita.:*:.~.:*:. Ernest HenleyIt matters not how strait the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll,I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul From: z100a2002 <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: Thyroid nodulesiodine Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 8:19 AM

there is a special group for RT3 and there they let you test RT3 and calculate the ratio FT3 /RT3.then they will ask you to fix adrenal and ferritine and then few months on T3 alone.

if you want to fix the liver one of the best supplements is alpha lipoic acid from a good brand selenium and milk thistle.

> > >

> > > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

> > increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then

> > they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she

> > probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost

> > and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so

> > she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> > RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise

> > ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

> > add....i told her to do more salt....

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

if FT3 is at top of range and FT4 is good but she feels hypo, then I

would try more adrenal support. I needed HC. I so admre you for

helping your kids!

gracia

dawn volz wrote:

>

> so if it is a liver issue how can i help her reverse her RT3 issue and

> get more of that T3 into her cells so she is not hypo feeling?? how do

> you do it..i am hesitant to use T3 only due to dosing schedule for

> her..but if her FT3 is at top of range and T4 is good and she is still

> hypo then we assume RT3 issue correct...i am supporting her in all

> ways i can..do you know of anything special that will help..she is

> hashis and on iodine protocol

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There are a lot of schools of thought on that issue. Some say the increase in

the RT3 is only temporary and will clear on its own and others say that it will

only clear out on a T3 only protocol. I had this happen years ago, and my RT3

cleared out after a few weeks without changing my Armour. Now I believe I'm

having that same problem. So what I've decided to do is support my adrenals

with Adren-All by orthomolecular. I'm also using Celtic salt twice daily, and

vitamins B and C. The ATP cofactors have really seemed to make a huge

difference. I will not change my thyroid meds just yet. If it doesn't clear

out in the next couple of weeks, I will try a timed-release T3 for a few weeks,

then go back to my Nature-throid.

I hope this helps.

>

> what happens though now that she is already on NT prior to fixing low ferritin

and vitamin D and B12..we are now working on all of those and they seem to be

improving (blood work looked better with regard to that) but her temp still sits

at 97.4 and her weight does not budge down....can we keep her on NT and somehow

improve her adrenals while continuing to work on other stuff like ferritin...her

doc will not prescribe T3 or cortisol so what do i do to help her clear her RT3

or can it not be done?? if she continues stable on her current protocol will the

RT3 get worse over time or will it gradually improve assuming we get ferritin

etc up and support her adrenals??

>

> the temperature chart would be useful but she is in highschool and not home

during day to do temps...so i am mostly going on basal body temp

>

> if supporting adrenals would be helpful at this point what would you recommend

me to try??

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I can relate to your comment about getting to be a pretty good gf cook and then eating too much of it.

I've had (and am having) good results in controling candida with GSE (grapefruit seed extract). I can tell it works because my craving for sugur decreases. As an added benefit, I use it to clean my produce. :^)

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ok so since she is already on NT should she continue to fix the ferritin and vitamin d etc then see how she is doing or go find some T3 and cortisol...and how much ALA do you take??

From: z100a2002 <zahavi100@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:19:44 AMSubject: Re: Thyroid nodules

there is a special group for RT3 and there they let you test RT3 and calculate the ratio FT3 /RT3.then they will ask you to fix adrenal and ferritine and then few months on T3 alone.if you want to fix the liver one of the best supplements is alpha lipoic acid from a good brand selenium and milk thistle.> > >> > > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she > > increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then > > they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she > > probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost > > and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so > > she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> > RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise > > ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could > > add....i told her to do more salt....> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

ala you take between 300-600.dr berkson the expert for ALA who wrote a book

about it likes the brand metabolic maintenance

> > > >

> > > > can you advise me on that..i have one daughter that when she

> > > increases her NT her temps go up and stay up for about 3 weeks then

> > > they start to fall again..i believe her RT3 is too high....she

> > > probably needs adrenal support...but without testing those due to cost

> > > and lack of knowledge is there a way i could support her adrenals so

> > > she could use that NT more efficiently and stop pushing it toward

> > > RT3..she takes iodine protocal and iron supplements to raise

> > > ferritin...b complex too...but is there something else we could

> > > add....i told her to do more salt....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I certainly don't doubt or question 's knowledge. I trust what she

says. I simply offered what I have seen and researched. I know several people

who have done T3 only and successfully cleared out the RT3. RT3, from what I've

read, is there to clear out some of the T4 in the body. But if someone has a

conversion issue or an underlying problem, like a liver issue or cortisol

problem, the body shunts too much T4 into RT3. Doctors, like Dr. Lowe, think

it's a temporary problem that will correct on its own. Others, like Dr. Holtorf,

think a T3 only protocol is necessary.

I didn't like my allopathic docs either for treating thyroid issues. So I found

one who had that knowledge. It took 6 years, but self-treatment was not an

option for me. I just think too many things could go wrong.

You are fortunate to have been successful at self-treatment as have many others,

but still others are not so fortunate and one man that I know personally has

severe long term issues following advice on that particular site (not this one)

from which he has yet to recover. My point was to simply be careful about whose

advice you follow. I'm sorry to have upset you. It certainly wasn't my intent.

But to call me less credible because I have a different view or knowledge on a

particular subject was unfair.

I'm not offering this up for debate. I upset you, and I apologize. I

appreciate your position. I don't want to start a thread debating the

differences of opinion, so I think we should just agree to disagree to avoid

offending the other or getting too off-topic.

>

> has said that rT3 is a liver issue. IMO taking T3 only

> doesn't make sense.

> I am here on the internet b/c this is where the best health information

> is, and I sure would not consult my doctor about it. I like my doc but

> most of them are part of the problem. I have self treated for many

> years and never ended up in the ER. I don't know how popular you are

> but you are less credible.

> Gracia

>

>

[Guest guest]

If her FT3 and FT4 are both good, I don't suspect it's a RT3 problem. My RT3 is

elevated when my FT4 is in the tank; otherwise, it's good. I would continue to

try to get the ferritin and Vitamin D at optimal levels and support adrenals.

Also, I feel best when my FT4 and FT3 are both at the top of the range. If the

FT4 is at or below 1/2 way, then she may benefit from some added T4. Could it be

that she's getting too much T3 in the increased NT?

Iodine should help too. I don't remember how much you said your daughter was

taking. My daughter's doc opted for iodine over thyroid meds to push her levels

into the upper range. So far, it's working.

>

> so if it is a liver issue how can i help her reverse her RT3 issue and get

more of that T3 into her cells so she is not hypo feeling?? how do you do it..i

am hesitant to use T3 only due to dosing schedule for her..but if her FT3 is at

top of range and T4 is good and she is still hypo then we assume RT3 issue

correct...i am supporting her in all ways i can..do you know of anything special

that will help..she is hashis and on iodine protocol

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi

Thanks for that reminder about the GSE- I had totally forgotten about it. Will

have to get on it ASAP and get this candida undercontrol.

Thanks also to all who replied to my initial posting about my newly discovered

thyroid nodules - you've all be a great help. I feel like there may be light at

the end of this tunnel after all!

God bless

Kathy

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> I can relate to your comment about getting to be a pretty good gf cook and

then eating too much of it.

>

> I've had (and am having) good results in controling candida with GSE

(grapefruit seed extract).  I can tell it works because my craving for sugur

decreases.  As an added benefit, I use it to clean my produce.  :^)

>

> Best of luck!

>   Tressler

> Healthy Transitions Life Coaching

> 541-791-1464

>

> Help raise funds for Legacy Land Conservancy by searching the internet or

shoping online with GoodSearch (www.goodsearch.com).

>

[Guest guest]

actually got her last results...FT3 was 5.0 (2.3-5.0) FT4 1.39 (0.93-1.60) TSH 0.009 ...with these numbers you would think that her temps would be higher and she would loose some weight however her temp sits at 97.2....so does this mean she has a cortisol issue??From: <angelalee0511@...>iodine Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:33:55 PMSubject: Re: Thyroid nodules

If her FT3 and FT4 are both good, I don't suspect it's a RT3 problem. My RT3 is elevated when my FT4 is in the tank; otherwise, it's good. I would continue to try to get the ferritin and Vitamin D at optimal levels and support adrenals. Also, I feel best when my FT4 and FT3 are both at the top of the range. If the FT4 is at or below 1/2 way, then she may benefit from some added T4. Could it be that she's getting too much T3 in the increased NT?

Iodine should help too. I don't remember how much you said your daughter was taking. My daughter's doc opted for iodine over thyroid meds to push her levels into the upper range. So far, it's working.

>

> so if it is a liver issue how can i help her reverse her RT3 issue and get more of that T3 into her cells so she is not hypo feeling?? how do you do it..i am hesitant to use T3 only due to dosing schedule for her..but if her FT3 is at top of range and T4 is good and she is still hypo then we assume RT3 issue correct...i am supporting her in all ways i can..do you know of anything special that will help..she is hashis and on iodine protocol

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

It's possible. It's also possible other hormones are having an effect. If it were my daughter, I would get a 24 hour cortisol test from Canary or ZRT labs. I would also get a complete sex hormone panel to include progesterone, estrogen, testosterone, and SHBG. You should be able to get these from Canary or ZRT as well. You may have to get the SHBG by serum.

Has she had antibodies tested?

This is a great article on tissue resistance for thyroid. Maybe this will help some.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/loseweightsuccessfully/a/weight-loss-diet.htm

You have to make certain she is getting plenty of calories and the right balance of protein, carbs, and fats. Thyroiders generally do better on moderate amounts of each. Higher protein, lower fat and lower carb diets are not good for thyroiders. If she isn't getting enough calories, her body will go into starvation mode. It will start hoarding the fat because it senses starvation. I would advise 5 smaller meals a day for weight loss. This is critical to keep the metabolism up.

The other things to look at would be food sensitivities. Gluten can be an issue and so can the caseine protein found in milk.

If she isn't following the 5-meal a day program and is still consuming gluten and dairy, I would first try that and cutting gluten and dairy. It's simple and cheap! If you don't see results, you might want to order the tests mentioned above just to see where she is.

I know how frustrating it is especially for young girls. My daughter is battling weight as well. But she refuses to cut out gluten even though she knows it's a problem. She is trying to eat healthier other than that, and she is exercising more. She wants instant gratification, and she's learning that is simply unrealistic.

I feel your pain! Keep me posted.

>> actually got her last results...FT3 was 5.0 (2.3-5.0) FT4 1.39 (0.93-1.60)> TSH 0.009 ...with these numbers you would think that her temps would be higher and she would loose some weight however her temp sits at 97.2....so does this mean she has a cortisol issue??> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Oops. I missed the Hashis part. She has some wiggle room on the TSH

and FT4. Make sure she is getting plenty of selenium and read through

some of 's posts. I believe she mentions DMG for hashis. I

think she said her husband was able to reverse his hashis but can't

remember exactly what he was using. I seem to recall DMG being one of

his supplements.

>

> actually got her last results...FT3 was 5.0 (2.3-5.0) FT4 1.39

(0.93-1.60)

> TSH 0.009 ...with these numbers you would think that her temps would

be higher and she would loose some weight however her temp sits at

97.2....so does this mean she has a cortisol issue??

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