MANUFACTURER OF NUTRI THYROID SAYS NO T3 IN IT. WAS: Experience with other thyroid meds

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I guess you can @$$ume anything you want to; that's not going to make it

a fact. Especially since Nutri Ltd, the manufacturer of Nutri Thyroid

says you're wrong. See below...

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> Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@...

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> campaigner77 <campaigner77>

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> Mon Feb 22, 2010 2:08 am (PST)

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> As stated previously, Nutri Thyroid claim their product is thyroxine

> free i.e. T4 free and that it contains 130 mgs thyroid concentrate, it

> is reasonable to assume that the thyroid concentrate contains T3,T2,T1

> as there is no claim that these have been removed and these are natural

> to thyroid gland tissue. You, on the other hand, assume that all thyroid

> hormones have been removed. Read what Dr Peatfield and Dr Lowe wrote.

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Why should I listen to someone who's license was suspended and then

revoked for a number of malpractices? Why not just go to the Nutri Ltd

[the manufacturer of Nutri Thyroid] site and see what they say? Check

out this:

[<http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/ThyroidSupport/tabid/665/Defa\

ult.aspx>]

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> *Nutri Thyroid *

> Hormone-Free Thyroid Concentrate. Thyroid hormones regulate metabolic

> rate, body temperature and cellular repair. Nutri Thyroid provides

> hormone-free thyroid concentrate, to nutritionally support this

> regulatory gland. More Info

> <http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Portals/1/3201.pdf>...

Above Nutri Ltd says that Nutri Thyroid is " hormone free " . That means

IT DOES NOT contain T3 above trace quantities. If you go to the " More

info " link you get a PDF saying the same thing. I can't copy the PDF

but here's the link: [<http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Portals/1/3201.pdf>].

OTOH you claim [assume] that Nutri Thyroid has T3, and accuse me of

assuming that it does not. Once you take a few minutes to confirm that

Nutri Ltd says Nutri Thyroid is " hormone free " [it has no T3 or T4] can

we finally put to bed for good your assumption contrary to the facts

according to the manufacturer?

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> In Dr Peatfield's book " Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy " he

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> " Where the thyroid has been damaged in some way, and cannot be expected

> to recover full function, we can turn to the earliest days of thyroid

> treatment, and the use of processed glandular concentrates.

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BS. In the earliest days glandulars were used with the natural

hormones still in them. Without the T4 and T3 [which is now removed in

Nutri Thyroid] they would have been just using a quack product and would

have not seen the beneficial results that occurred.

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> Extremely

> useful is whole glandular bovine or porcine thyroid concentrate, which

> contains 130mg of raw thyroid concentrate. Nutri-Meds in the USA and

> Nutri Ltd in the UK prepare these products, which are designated as

> dietary supplements and so do not require a prescription, although they

> do have to be recommended by a healthcare practitioner.

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More BS. You can order without a recommendation of any kind. Further,

as late as the 15th of this month Nutri-Meds was claiming " nothing has

been removed " on their site; that now strangely has disappeared. In the

unlikely event that they were not lying then they are in serious

violation of FDA rules if operating in the US.

Truthfully, I don't think such lapses in accuracy are accidental or due

to ignorance; given his supposed experience in hypo treatment. I don't

see how they can be other than intentionally false statements.

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> The dosage

> levels may be largely set by the patient: monitoring symptoms,

> temperature and pulse should enable the correct dose to be arrived at.

> The dose is normally 1 or 2 tablets daily with food, usually in the

> morning; this may be increased after a few months to 3 or 4. All the

> time you must monitor your waking and evening temperature and pulse to

> assess your physical response, making a note of how you feel.... "

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Since he's recommending a quack product from which the T4 and T3 have

been removed [according to the manufacturer] exactly how are you

supposed to get any benefit?

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> ...and in his chapter directed at doctors he writes: " The stage is now

> set for the use of thyroid supplementation. You haver certain choices,

> which must be exercised. First, for patients whose blood tests may be

> equivocal but with a nevertheless convincing clinical diagnosis, it is

> effective, safe and proper to consider the use of natural glandular

> extracts. These are licensed as food products and are provided by, for

> example, Nutri Meds (bovine or porcine sourced) or Nutri Ltd (bovine

> sourced) in 130 mg amounts of thyroid glandular extract. The thyroid

> support which will begin two or three weeks after the adrenal

> supplement, should be started at 1 daily in the morning with food,

> increasing as required to perhaps 4 daily "

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This is the same quack advice it was the first and all intervening times

I've read it. Some suggest that if you repeat a lie often enough

eventually it will become the " truth " . Unfortunately for me once a lie

always a lie, and constantly repeating it doesn't change anything.

Please quote something not so obviously full of falsehoods.

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> Nutri Meds is a whole natural desiccated thyroid extract

> http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsules\

> _p/nm-g-ptc.htm

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<http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsules_p/nm-g\

-ptc.htm>

> <http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsule\

> s_p/nm-g-ptc.htm

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<http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsules_p/nm-g\

-ptc.htm>>

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That site is for Nutri-Meds, which has nothing to do with Nurti

Thyroid. Nutri-Meds claims their thyroid glandular product is just the

thyroid gland freeze dried and do not [now] mention removing anything.

That would by your example lead one to " assume " that the product has

both T4 and T3, in violation of US law. Perhaps we shouldn't be so

quick to " assume " from a quack site???

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> Read Dr Lowe's explanation

> http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm>

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm>>

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> " Why would I have tremors on 3 capsules of Nutri-Thyroid, and would I do

> better with HSF? " (The role of underlying factors.) January 11, 2010

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> Q: Here in the UK, we can buy a product named " Nutri-Thyroid

> <http://www.worldwideshoppingmall.co.uk/body-soul/nutri-thyroid.asp

> <http://www.worldwideshoppingmall.co.uk/body-soul/nutri-thyroid.asp>>

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Why would we want to go to a site that sells the product in order to

learn what's in it when we can go to the manufacturer's site? The above

referenced site indicates it's " thyroxine free " , which means that [at

least] the T4 was removed. However, the manufacturer states it is

HORMONE FREE, which means both T4 and T3 was removed. I'm less than

impressed that Dr. Lowe would refer someone to an undependable site with

incorrect information when the manufacturer contradicts that site. OTOH

if you're comparing quack A to quack B how do you decide which one is

" better " .

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> . " I started taking 3 capsules, and 3 days later I felt so tremulous

> that I stopped it. When I bought it, my understanding was that it has no

> thyroid hormones in it. Are you familiar with Nutri-Thyroid and have you

> any notion why it caused me to have tremors? Do you think I would also

> have tremors if I take RLC Labs' HSF

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm>> ?

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF> Bottle>

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> To Order

> HSF <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF

> <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF> Bottle>

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> Dr. Lowe: I only learned about the product Nutri-Thyroid several days

> ago. I learned about it from someone I did a long-distance educational

> consultation with. She lives in the UK. I looked the product up on the

> Internet and found that advertisements describe it as

> " thyroxine-free " .

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Then he didn't even bother to go to the manufacturer's site, which

states that Nutri Thyroid is HORMONE FREE; not thyroxine free. Score

zero for Dr. Lowe.

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> It appears to me that the product is equivalent to Nutri-Meds

> <http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Bovine_Thyroid_Tablets_\

> p/nm-g-btt.htm

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<http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Bovine_Thyroid_Tablets_p/nm-g-b\

tt.htm>>

> over-the-counter (dietary desiccated thyroid) sold in

> the US. Both products are described as " glandulars. " Each

> capsule of each product contains 130 mg of desiccated thyroid powder

> from animals in New Zealand. Both products are also free of T4.

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It is correct that Nurti Thyroid is free of T4; but the manufacturer

states it is also free of T3. Dr. Lowe is still out in left field.

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> (Nutri-Meds employees, however, mistakenly believe that their thyroid

> products contain T4; if the products did contain T4, the FDA would

> promptly remove them from the market.)

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Well, at least he caught the fact that Nurti-Meds cannot legally contain

T4; bully for him. He _IS_ a doctor, isn't he? If so then please tell

me how he could be ignorant of the fact that [in the US] the exact same

law that prohibits T4 in Nutri Thyroid and Nutri-Med products also

prohibits T3??? I've never had occasion to call Dr. Lowe a quack, but

honestly: Would you want someone treating you who knows less about the

legal nature of T3 in supplements than I do??? If I may be allowed one

small " assumption " it would be that the law pertaining to T3 in

supplements in the UK is more than a little similar to the law in the US.

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> The Nutri-Thyroid ads say that

> the powder is from cows, but Nutri-Meds sells both cow- and pig-derived

> desiccated thyroid products.

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> Judging from Nutri-Thyroid ads stating that the product is

> " thyroxine-free, " we're left with the assumption that the

> product still contains T3, T2, T1, and calcitonin. This is a reasonable

> assumption in that these hormones are natural to thyroid gland tissue.

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Well, it's a " reasonable assumption " if you're massively ignorant of the

facts; nonetheless it is not true. First of all because the FDA

prohibits both T3 and T4 in supplements above trace quantities in the US

[is it any different in the UK?]; and secondly if you just bother to go

to the Nutri Ltd site quoted above they tell you that not only is the T4

removed from Nutri Thyroid, but also that the product is " hormone

free " . That means the T3 [at least] is removed, along with the T4.

Sheila, do you have any references that are not full of twisted facts,

spin and outright lies???

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> > That's exactly the information that I have; but Sheila always claims

> > differently. I'm waiting to see if she can come up with a T3 level in

> > Nutri Thyroid. I'm not holding my breath.

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> > Nutri-Med _did_ throw me for a loop there with their claim to have

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> > T3 and T4; but that claim appears to have disappeared, although you

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> > still as of tonight find it if you go to the site from a Google search

> > and view their 2/15/10 cache of the page.

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