Re: Bogus 45,000,000 uninsured.

[Guest guest]

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You wrote:

> The number of 45,000,000 desperate, needy sick uninsured is totally

> bogus, and anyone who does not know that has a hopeless disconnect from

> the factual universe....

If you can recall when the propaganda campaign for this started in

earnest a year ago, the number cited was actually 46.7 million (often

rounded to 47 million), which was obviously intended to show everyone

how urgent the need was. However, this maximal figure was arrived at by

extrapolating from the last census. It includes people on plans that

only cover catastrophic needs. A more recent estimate came from the AMA,

who based their number on a nationwide survey of hospitals. That shaved

several million off the grand total.

However, estimating costs calls for a different " logic. " The CBO used an

even lower number to estimate costs, primarily because they eliminated a

supposed 12,000,000 undocumented people, who by then were to be

excluded. They also counted catastrophic plans differently. If you

recall, the CBO originally had an impossibly high estimate of those

costs. Then, they were called in for little chat with the President.

Immediately after that, using the same input figures, they suddenly came

up with a much more manageable cost estimate, a real bargain.

Consequently, I am skeptical of all the figures. I'm not optimistic

about the coming census, either.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck, for all the reasons you stated, neither am I. At this point I don't think

anyone really knows what is going on, including Congress and the Administration.

If they can't even keep dangerous or sick people of of planes, or prevent e coli

from getting into the food supply or prevent China from putting lethal

ingredients in things from baby formulas to food and toys, then what chance do

we all have of anything being done correctly or stated correctly in this

country?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> The number of 45,000,000 desperate, needy sick uninsured is totally

> bogus, and anyone who does not know that has a hopeless disconnect from

> the factual universe....

If you can recall when the propaganda campaign for this started in

earnest a year ago, the number cited was actually 46.7 million (often

rounded to 47 million), which was obviously intended to show everyone

how urgent the need was. However, this maximal figure was arrived at by

extrapolating from the last census. It includes people on plans that

only cover catastrophic needs. A more recent estimate came from the AMA,

who based their number on a nationwide survey of hospitals. That shaved

several million off the grand total.

However, estimating costs calls for a different " logic. " The CBO used an

even lower number to estimate costs, primarily because they eliminated a

supposed 12,000,000 undocumented people, who by then were to be

excluded. They also counted catastrophic plans differently. If you

recall, the CBO originally had an impossibly high estimate of those

costs. Then, they were called in for little chat with the President.

Immediately after that, using the same input figures, they suddenly came

up with a much more manageable cost estimate, a real bargain.

Consequently, I am skeptical of all the figures. I'm not optimistic

about the coming census, either.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

As for the coming census I recall something about an effort to

" homogenize " the data in order to " estimate " the number of uncounted

people. If that takes place and the democrats have any input to it I'm

afraid the results will be exactly the same as happened when the global

warming alarmists " homogenized " the historical temperature and CO2 data

over and over or cherry picked until they got exactly the results desired.

As for the CBO it's supposed to be an " unbiased " or " non-partisan "

source. When it can vastly change the numbers to suit the political

wants of the democrats that claim becomes laughable IMHO.

Regards,

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> Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:12 am (PST)

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> You wrote:

> > The number of 45,000,000 desperate, needy sick uninsured is totally

> > bogus, and anyone who does not know that has a hopeless disconnect from

> > the factual universe....

>

> If you can recall when the propaganda campaign for this started in

> earnest a year ago, the number cited was actually 46.7 million (often

> rounded to 47 million), which was obviously intended to show everyone

> how urgent the need was. However, this maximal figure was arrived at by

> extrapolating from the last census. It includes people on plans that

> only cover catastrophic needs. A more recent estimate came from the AMA,

> who based their number on a nationwide survey of hospitals. That shaved

> several million off the grand total.

>

> However, estimating costs calls for a different " logic. " The CBO used an

> even lower number to estimate costs, primarily because they eliminated a

> supposed 12,000,000 undocumented people, who by then were to be

> excluded. They also counted catastrophic plans differently. If you

> recall, the CBO originally had an impossibly high estimate of those

> costs. Then, they were called in for little chat with the President.

> Immediately after that, using the same input figures, they suddenly came

> up with a much more manageable cost estimate, a real bargain.

>

> Consequently, I am skeptical of all the figures. I'm not optimistic

> about the coming census, either.

>

> Chuck