Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

February 19, 2010

Roni, I have MS and am therefore VERY grateful that the supplements I take have

helped the tingling/numbness. What I take is a Soloray product called

Circu-Legs and for the cramping, you might take Magnesium Citrate. Magnesium

has to do with the relaxation of muscles. I take it and it also helps with my

leg cramps.

Hope this helps,

Beverly

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> >

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20Was%3A\

%20Salt>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> > Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:38 pm (PST)

> >

> > What was it that you took. I get numbness in my hands and arms,

> > sometimes legs when sleeping. I also get foot cramping, and sometimes

> > wake up and have to jump out of bed to stand so that the cramp will stop.

> >

> > <>Roni

>

February 19, 2010

hypothyroidism/

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:24 PM

Isn't this a sign of magnesium deficiency?

CW

-- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

I sometime awaken with a limb " gone to sleep " and tingling from a

circulation restriction from the way I've positioned myself. Not

related to any illness AFAIK.

I will also often get foot cramps if I point my toes downward and

stretch my feet and lower legs hard. However I don't jump out of bed; I

merely observe the cramp pressure/pain for a few minutes and it will

subside without any need for jumping about. YMMV.

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20Was%3A%20Salt>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:38 pm (PST)

>

> What was it that you took. I get numbness in my hands and arms,

> sometimes legs when sleeping. I also get foot cramping, and sometimes

> wake up and have to jump out of bed to stand so that the cramp will stop.

>

> <>Roni

February 19, 2010

Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

absolutely no change.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20W\

as%3A%20Salt>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:24 pm (PST)

>

> Isn't this a sign of magnesium deficiency?

> CW

> -- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> I sometime awaken with a limb " gone to sleep " and tingling from a

> circulation restriction from the way I've positioned myself. Not

> related to any illness AFAIK.

>

> I will also often get foot cramps if I point my toes downward and

> stretch my feet and lower legs hard. However I don't jump out of bed; I

> merely observe the cramp pressure/pain for a few minutes and it will

> subside without any need for jumping about. YMMV.

>

> .

February 19, 2010

There is no question in my mind that some supplements help and some don't..I

tend to only take simple supplements such as vitamins, minerals, herbs. Not

formulated concoctions

that have a bit of this and a bit of that in their formulas.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Beverly53 <beebie10@...>

Subject: Re:Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:16 PM

, sometimes things just " work. " Why do you seem to have such a hard time

accepting that? [ggg]

> same thing. But here's the facts: When most health food store

> supplements are tested in double blind studies almost [if not

> completely] invariably the positive results fall to chance or placebo.

What facts and where did you get them?

> For the evidence to be credible these and other explanations have to be ruled

out. Further, they have to be ruled out sufficiently to withstand scrutiny by

other scientists critical of the research.

Well, I don't have a bunch of scientists sitting around at the ready to

scrutinize why/how a supplement works for me. So I just accept that it's

working and am thankful that I have found a solution to a problem without having

to resort to pharmaceuticals.

What I do, , is spend less time analyzing other's statements and trying to

figure out what's wrong with other's statements, and more time LISTENING, so I

can LEARN something. But that's just me.

Beverly

>

> >

> > , I hope your commentary on vitamins, herbs, homeopathy, etc. was

> > just your OPINION. I have worked in health food stores for over 25

> > years and I can tell you I have seen many people helped with the use

> > of these supplements.

> >

> > I can even give you a personal example. I have MS with

> > tingling/numbness of my hands and arms while asleep. I started taking

> > a product that contained a combination of herbs for circulation/

> > veins and within 2 weeks, the tingling stopped. There were no other

> > co-factors that would explain this change.

> >

> > Not exactly a double-blind study, but perhaps credible evidence?

> >

> > Beverly

>

------------------------------------

February 19, 2010

Thank you, I take magnesium, but maybe I'll try upping my dose.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Beverly53 <beebie10@...>

Subject: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:19 PM

Roni, I have MS and am therefore VERY grateful that the supplements I take have

helped the tingling/numbness. What I take is a Soloray product called

Circu-Legs and for the cramping, you might take Magnesium Citrate. Magnesium

has to do with the relaxation of muscles. I take it and it also helps with my

leg cramps.

Hope this helps,

Beverly

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> >

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20Was\

%3A%20Salt>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> > Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:38 pm (PST)

> >

> > What was it that you took. I get numbness in my hands and arms,

> > sometimes legs when sleeping. I also get foot cramping, and sometimes

> > wake up and have to jump out of bed to stand so that the cramp will stop.

> >

> > <>Roni

>

------------------------------------

February 19, 2010

Do you know which form? Or maybe it could be potassium??

CW

-- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> I sometime awaken with a limb " gone to sleep " and tingling from a

> circulation restriction from the way I've positioned myself. Not

> related to any illness AFAIK.

>

> I will also often get foot cramps if I point my toes downward and

> stretch my feet and lower legs hard. However I don't jump out of bed; I

> merely observe the cramp pressure/pain for a few minutes and it will

> subside without any need for jumping about. YMMV.

>

> .

February 19, 2010

You probably didn't take enough. With magnesium you're supposed to up your dose

till you get diarrhea, and then back it off till you don't have that anymore.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:43 PM

Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

absolutely no change.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%\

20Was%3A%20Salt>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:24 pm (PST)

>

> Isn't this a sign of magnesium deficiency?

> CW

> -- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> I sometime awaken with a limb " gone to sleep " and tingling from a

> circulation restriction from the way I've positioned myself. Not

> related to any illness AFAIK.

>

> I will also often get foot cramps if I point my toes downward and

> stretch my feet and lower legs hard. However I don't jump out of bed; I

> merely observe the cramp pressure/pain for a few minutes and it will

> subside without any need for jumping about. YMMV.

>

> .

------------------------------------

February 19, 2010

In some cases side effects show up at longer time frames than of the

testing.

If someone is determined to be dishonest there are ways to game the

system, such as cherry picking data. In that case positive results are

chosen to be included in the results while others are left out. If

computer modeling is used and there are a large number of data items you

can manipulate those until you get the results you want.

All of these [and others] can be detected when others attempt to

duplicate the experiments and the results don't jive, and this happens a

lot in science. It is IMHO probably less likely to be caught in

pharmacological research because there's not much incentive for someone

with no financial or other interest in a drug to replicate the research.

I don't know if it's fact or not, but I have the impression that much of

pharmacological research is of vastly inferior quality to that of, say,

particle physics and so on. Maybe I'm all wet there... Bear in mind

I'm no scientist, and anyone who is can give you a much more in-depth

response.

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20\

Was%3A%20Salt>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:52 pm (PST)

>

> I understand double blind studies and credible evidence. If that

> is such a good

> system, how come drug companies have to recall drugs that were put

> through this

> credible evidence system as being harmful to patients? I don't think

> anything is perfect

> because there are too many people involved in these trials and

> studies. Some of these

> people are greedy beyond belief, and will falsify information and the

> possible harm to

> thousands of patients for the almighty buck.

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re:Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:58 PM

>

> There is a reason that the subject was Alternative OPINIONS! [ggg]

>

> I would expect that many people with your experience would suggest the

> same thing. But here's the facts: When most health food store

> supplements are tested in double blind studies almost [if not

> completely] invariably the positive results fall to chance or placebo.

>

> Actually your results in rigorous research would be labeled

> " anecdotal " . There are many possible explanations [chance, placebo,

> coincidence to mention a few] for your results other than physiological

> benefit from the supplement. For the evidence to be credible these and

> other explanations have to be ruled out. Further, they have to be ruled

> out sufficiently to withstand scrutiny by other scientists critical of

> the research.

>

> Regards,

>

February 19, 2010

Kinda like they did with the global warming data!

CW

-- Re:Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:58 PM

>

> There is a reason that the subject was Alternative OPINIONS! [ggg]

>

> I would expect that many people with your experience would suggest the

> same thing. But here's the facts: When most health food store

> supplements are tested in double blind studies almost [if not

> completely] invariably the positive results fall to chance or placebo.

>

> Actually your results in rigorous research would be labeled

> " anecdotal " . There are many possible explanations [chance, placebo,

> coincidence to mention a few] for your results other than physiological

> benefit from the supplement. For the evidence to be credible these and

> other explanations have to be ruled out. Further, they have to be ruled

> out sufficiently to withstand scrutiny by other scientists critical of

> the research.

>

> Regards,

>

February 19, 2010

I think you take magnesium oxide Roni ..some other types are more bioavailable

than others, mag oxide is probably the cheapest but it has the reputation of not

being well absorbed.

I posted some links before for mag chloride ...this works transdermally and

people report good effects with it.

While I'm here, would you mind posting what natural remedies you used to get

your blood pressure into such a good range.

Thanks.

Trish

>

> From: Beverly53 <beebie10@...>

> Subject: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 9:19 PM

>

> Roni, I have MS and am therefore VERY grateful that the supplements I take

have helped the tingling/numbness.ï¿½ What I take is a Soloray product called

Circu-Legs and for the cramping, you might take Magnesium Citrate.ï¿½ Magnesium

has to do with the relaxation of muscles.ï¿½ I take it and it also helps with my

leg cramps.

February 19, 2010

You send the message to: <hypothyroidism-unsubscribe >;

that is not the regular address for the group but rather is the

unsubscribe address. That link is IIRC at the bottom of each digest

[and probably each message]; just click on " unsubscribe " .

Or go to your page and unsubscribe there.

..

>

> Posted by: " angela pittaway " angela.pittaway@...

>

<mailto:angela.pittaway@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions\

%2E%20%20Was%3A%20Salt>

> angela.pittaway@...

> <angela.pittawaybtinternet>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:41 pm (PST)

>

> to unsubscribed to this group it says send blank message to group but

> it does not work can someone tell me what web site to go to please and

> how to do it

February 19, 2010

Hi, Beverly. As I've stated many times here my world view is from an

acceptance of allopathic medicine and of the scientific method.

Whatever I post comes from those viewpoints. More below...

..

>

> Posted by: " Beverly53 " beebie10@...

>

<mailto:beebie10@...?Subject=%20Re%3AAlternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20Was%3A\

%20Salt>

> beebie10 <beebie10>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:16 pm (PST)

>

> , sometimes things just " work. " Why do you seem to have such a

> hard time accepting that? [ggg]

..

Because when double blind studies are done they still " just work " ; but

only at the level of chance or placebo.

..

>

> > same thing. But here's the facts: When most health food store

> > supplements are tested in double blind studies almost [if not

> > completely] invariably the positive results fall to chance or placebo.

>

> What facts and where did you get them?

..

The facts I just quoted. I've gotten them from many years [decades,

actually] of investigation of the credible literature re: same.

..

>

> > For the evidence to be credible these and other explanations have to

> be ruled out. Further, they have to be ruled out sufficiently to

> withstand scrutiny by other scientists critical of the research.

>

> Well, I don't have a bunch of scientists sitting around at the ready

> to scrutinize why/how a supplement works for me. So I just accept that

> it's working and am thankful that I have found a solution to a problem

> without having to resort to pharmaceuticals.

..

Great! If you're willing to settle for a placebo effect then you have

every right to do so.

..

>

> What I do, , is spend less time analyzing other's statements and

> trying to figure out what's wrong with other's statements, and more

> time LISTENING, so I can LEARN something. But that's just me.

..

I listen and I read. But I try to not listen or read anecdotal evidence

and accept it as definite or even highly probably accurate facts. After

the first few hundred you can pick out the BS with basically no effort

at all. I try to pass on my learning to help others avoid ineffective

treatment.

Here's another fact: You mention homeopathy. Homeopathic " medicines "

often have not even one molecule of the " active " ingredient. There

isn't even any kind of theory as to how such a concoction could possibly

work except basically BS. The positive results are chance, placebo,

coincidence, self deception and so on.

..

>

> Beverly

> >

>

> > >

> > > , I hope your commentary on vitamins, herbs, homeopathy, etc.

> was

> > > just your OPINION. I have worked in health food stores for over 25

> > > years and I can tell you I have seen many people helped with the use

> > > of these supplements.

> > >

> > > I can even give you a personal example. I have MS with

> > > tingling/numbness of my hands and arms while asleep. I started taking

> > > a product that contained a combination of herbs for circulation/

> > > veins and within 2 weeks, the tingling stopped. There were no other

> > > co-factors that would explain this change.

> > >

> > > Not exactly a double-blind study, but perhaps credible evidence?

> > >

> > > Beverly

> >

February 19, 2010

Agreed.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re:Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 4:58 PM

>

> There is a reason that the subject was Alternative OPINIONS! [ggg]

>

> I would expect that many people with your experience would suggest the

> same thing. But here's the facts: When most health food store

> supplements are tested in double blind studies almost [if not

> completely] invariably the positive results fall to chance or placebo.

>

> Actually your results in rigorous research would be labeled

> " anecdotal " . There are many possible explanations [chance, placebo,

> coincidence to mention a few] for your results other than physiological

> benefit from the supplement. For the evidence to be credible these and

> other explanations have to be ruled out. Further, they have to be ruled

> out sufficiently to withstand scrutiny by other scientists critical of

> the research.

>

> Regards,

>

------------------------------------

February 19, 2010

I'm not sure. The pills [400 mg] were large, and with my esophageal

restriction [schatzki ring] I had trouble swallowing them.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20W\

as%3A%20Salt>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:55 pm (PST)

>

> Do you know which form? Or maybe it could be potassium??

> CW

>

> -- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

> absolutely no change.

>

February 19, 2010

, I have 500 mg magnesium capsules that are small and easy to swallow. I

get them at vitacost on line. I think the name is Neutraceuticals.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:12 PM

I'm not sure. The pills [400 mg] were large, and with my esophageal

restriction [schatzki ring] I had trouble swallowing them.

..

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%\

20Was%3A%20Salt>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:55 pm (PST)

>

> Do you know which form? Or maybe it could be potassium??

> CW

>

> -- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

> absolutely no change.

>

------------------------------------

February 19, 2010

Precisely. However, that doesn't mean we're not in a global warming

period, or even that humans haven't contributed to it. What it _does_

mean is that for whatever reason quite a number of global warming

alarmists have chosen to spin, distort and outright lie about the

matter. Others have refused to provide the raw data that would have

allowed their hoax results to have been found out, sometimes for up to

10 years.

Historical data shows we've had global warming and cooling long before

humans could have contributed. The levels of the oceans have varied

about 600 feet from the low to the high points.

Since this is off topic I won't continue it here.

..

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20W\

as%3A%20Salt>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

> Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:15 pm (PST)

>

> Kinda like they did with the global warming data!

> CW

>

> -- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> In some cases side effects show up at longer time frames than of the

> testing.

>

> If someone is determined to be dishonest there are ways to game the

> system, such as cherry picking data. In that case positive results are

> chosen to be included in the results while others are left out. If

> computer modeling is used and there are a large number of data items you

> can manipulate those until you get the results you want.

>

> All of these [and others] can be detected when others attempt to

> duplicate the experiments and the results don't jive, and this happens a

> lot in science. It is IMHO probably less likely to be caught in

> pharmacological research because there's not much incentive for someone

> with no financial or other interest in a drug to replicate the research.

>

> I don't know if it's fact or not, but I have the impression that much of

> pharmacological research is of vastly inferior quality to that of, say,

> particle physics and so on. Maybe I'm all wet there... Bear in mind

> I'm no scientist, and anyone who is can give you a much more in-depth

> response.

>

February 19, 2010

I was just wondering because some forms are easily absorbed more than others

CW

-- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

> absolutely no change.

>

February 19, 2010

There are definitely benefits from magnesium, but you really have to take them

every day for a few months to actually " notice " the benefits, as opposed to just

feeling well.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 3:05 PM

I was just wondering because some forms are easily absorbed more than others

CW

-- Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

>

> Possibly; however I took magnesium for a month or three and noticed

> absolutely no change.

>

February 20, 2010

, what you are saying just doesn't make sense.

Native peoples, long before computers and the written word, long before

scientists, used plants for healing. Information about which plants did what

were passed down through the generations. These native peoples didn't know WHY

or HOW these plants/herbs worked, they just knew that they DID work.

All of our information about what herbs do has its roots in what our forebears

learned and knew.

None of the native cultures had scientists or double-blind studies, and yet

their " medicine " worked. And not because of " chance, placebo, coincidence, OR

self deception. "

And in regards to homeopathy: it has been around for hundreds of years, long

before allopathic medicine. And it " worked. " There was clinical evidence,

based on a person's symptoms, not just some lab numbers, or a study, to say that

it worked. Nobody would have continued to use it if it didn't.

(And is homeopathy so different than our modern day vaccinations? Minute

amounts of the very thing that cause an illness, injected into the body.)

So what if you can't find a molecule of the original substance? If it works, it

works! It's BS only if it doesn't work. If it works, it's not BS. Period.

Beverly

> .

> Great! If you're willing to settle for a placebo effect then you have

> every right to do so.

> .

> >

> > What I do, , is spend less time analyzing other's statements and

> > trying to figure out what's wrong with other's statements, and more

> > time LISTENING, so I can LEARN something. But that's just me.

> .

> I listen and I read. But I try to not listen or read anecdotal evidence

> and accept it as definite or even highly probably accurate facts. After

> the first few hundred you can pick out the BS with basically no effort

> at all. I try to pass on my learning to help others avoid ineffective

> treatment.

>

> Here's another fact: You mention homeopathy. Homeopathic " medicines "

> often have not even one molecule of the " active " ingredient. There

> isn't even any kind of theory as to how such a concoction could possibly

> work except basically BS. The positive results are chance, placebo,

> coincidence, self deception and so on.

>

> .

>

February 20, 2010

I'm not sue what " time " you are referring to, but it would probably be

interesting to discover what people's life expectancy was back then.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Beverly53 <beebie10@...> wrote:

>

> , what you are saying just doesn't make sense.

>

> Native peoples, long before computers and the written word, long before

> scientists, used plants for healing. Information about which plants did what

> were passed down through the generations. These native peoples didn't know

> WHY or HOW these plants/herbs worked, they just knew that they DID work.

>

> All of our information about what herbs do has its roots in what our

> forebears learned and knew.

>

> None of the native cultures had scientists or double-blind studies, and yet

> their " medicine " worked. And not because of " chance, placebo, coincidence,

> OR self deception. "

>

> And in regards to homeopathy: it has been around for hundreds of years,

> long before allopathic medicine. And it " worked. " There was clinical

> evidence, based on a person's symptoms, not just some lab numbers, or a

> study, to say that it worked. Nobody would have continued to use it if it

> didn't.

>

> (And is homeopathy so different than our modern day vaccinations? Minute

> amounts of the very thing that cause an illness, injected into the body.)

>

> So what if you can't find a molecule of the original substance? If it

> works, it works! It's BS only if it doesn't work. If it works, it's not BS.

> Period.

>

> Beverly

>

> > .

> > Great! If you're willing to settle for a placebo effect then you have

> > every right to do so.

> > .

> > >

> > > What I do, , is spend less time analyzing other's statements and

> > > trying to figure out what's wrong with other's statements, and more

> > > time LISTENING, so I can LEARN something. But that's just me.

> > .

> > I listen and I read. But I try to not listen or read anecdotal evidence

> > and accept it as definite or even highly probably accurate facts. After

> > the first few hundred you can pick out the BS with basically no effort

> > at all. I try to pass on my learning to help others avoid ineffective

> > treatment.

> >

> > Here's another fact: You mention homeopathy. Homeopathic " medicines "

> > often have not even one molecule of the " active " ingredient. There

> > isn't even any kind of theory as to how such a concoction could possibly

> > work except basically BS. The positive results are chance, placebo,

> > coincidence, self deception and so on.

> >

> > .

> >

>

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February 21, 2010

I'll do about the same thing with cramps in a major muscle group;

partially because I'm not sure the cramp couldn't be strong enough to

cause tendon or ligament damage.

In the past I would do the same thing for any kind of a cramp. But I

will often try to observe exactly what is going on with me, and I tried

that with a foot cramp. I observed the increasing pain, and noted that

it was pretty much a pressure/burning sensation. I noticed that if I

choose to identify it more as a pressure and realize there is no

probable damage imminent that it was not unbearable to simply observe it

as it increased. At some point it leveled off, then after a time

declined and went away. There tends to be an extremely relaxed feeling

in my foot afterwards.

In a way it's still very painful; but I now have my reaction to that

pain under conscious control; to the point that it it not particularly

unpleasant anymore. Of course I could not react like that to the pain

of an injury or illness; only something I can define as harmless.

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> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

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> Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:42 pm (PST)

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> I was referring to saying he gets muscle cramps and thinks his way

> through them. When I get them (usually when pregnant) there is no way

> I can

> lay there. I fly out of that bed like there's no belly blocking me and get

> to walking real fast! The pain is too much to just lie there

> CW

February 21, 2010

If you're deficient in anything it just makes sense that it would help

to add it. Then your deficiency should be balanced out. If you DON'T

have a deficiency then IMHO in most cases you're throwing away your money.

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

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> Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:47 pm (PST)

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> There is no question in my mind that some supplements help and some

> don't..I tend to only take simple supplements such as vitamins,

> minerals, herbs. Not formulated concoctions

> that have a bit of this and a bit of that in their formulas.

>

> <>Roni

February 21, 2010

Like anything else there are degrees of pain. If you can calmly observe your

foot cramp, you don't have the degree of pain that I have. There is no way you

could just calmly wait till it goes away. First of all, it doesn't go away like

that. The only thing to make it go away is to stand up and put your weight on

the foot.. What you have sounds very different.

<>Roni

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Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 4:09 PM