Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

February 16, 2010

I have tried a couple of these things. For some I agree with you, on others I

differ. However, that does not preclude any of them from working for other

people. As an illustration of

how different we are (even though we seem to be the same) morphine usually takes

a peron's pain away. For me it works backwards and enhances the pain. Codeine

makes me pass out. Penicillin sends me into anaphalactic shock. Most people can

use these things and have decent reactions, not for me.

Nothing is perfect for everyone.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism , " JAMES " <res075oh@...>

Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:02 PM

My wife wanted to try treating three cats with homeopathic medicine.

The result was three dead cats. They most likely would have died anyway.

I'll respond to each item you mention with my impression of it; YMMV.

Vitamins: Necessary for health and life; probably about 90% [or more]

wasted in most areas of the US when taken as a supplement. Mostly

totally ineffective for any illness except a specific deficiency.

Herbs: Some minor food value. Mostly ineffective for illnesses;

although possibilities exist. Some modern medicines are IIRC derived

from them. Some very harmful.

Acupuncture/acupressure. Ineffective. No demonstrated value above

chance or placebo. Any theoretical means of providing benefits utterly

foolish.

Yoga. Not a medicine. Probably some very good exercise; possible

psychological benefits too. No demonstrated benefit in most illnesses.

Organic food. Not a medicine. Not bad for you; not much demonstrated

in the way of benefits either.

Energy healing: Quackery. Energy is a very specific thing [or things]

and no one claiming " energy healing " seems to have even a vague concept

of the nature of energy.

Meditation: I cannot meditate; cannot quite my mind. Possible

psychological benefits. Ineffective for most illnesses.

And I'll add a few...

Iodine: Necessary for life. No demonstrated benefits above RDA unless

pregnant or lactating. Typical US diet provides more than enough in

most areas.

Vegetarianism: Undecided. Apparently some possible/probable benefits,

and some risks. You _can_ live without meat, but who would want to?

Homeopathic medicine: Quackery. Totally lacking in any demonstrated

benefit above chance/placebo; or even in any plausible theory as to how

it might work.

Detox: BS.

Regards,

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Salt>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:32 am (PST)

>

> , have you ever tried ANY form of alternative medicine; taking

> vitamins and/or herbs, accupressure, accupuncture, yoga, organic food,

> energy healing of any type, meditation, etc.?

>

> <>Roni

------------------------------------

February 16, 2010

Interesting

I pretty well agree

I am currently reading a book by Jon about his amzing weight loos

Amongst other things he suggest " Visualising " a thin you, for 10 mins a day

I also cannot meditate

as I cannot think of " nothing "

I once fell asleep and hit my head on a desk during a work course

" Full Mental Jacket "

Anyway, JG also says that we do not get enough Omega3 in our diets

Anyone know anything about this, or how you can best ingest same?

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:32 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

> My wife wanted to try treating three cats with homeopathic medicine.

> The result was three dead cats. They most likely would have died anyway.

>

> I'll respond to each item you mention with my impression of it; YMMV.

>

> Vitamins: Necessary for health and life; probably about 90% [or more]

> wasted in most areas of the US when taken as a supplement. Mostly

> totally ineffective for any illness except a specific deficiency.

>

> Herbs: Some minor food value. Mostly ineffective for illnesses;

> although possibilities exist. Some modern medicines are IIRC derived

> from them. Some very harmful.

>

> Acupuncture/acupressure. Ineffective. No demonstrated value above

> chance or placebo. Any theoretical means of providing benefits utterly

> foolish.

>

> Yoga. Not a medicine. Probably some very good exercise; possible

> psychological benefits too. No demonstrated benefit in most illnesses.

>

> Organic food. Not a medicine. Not bad for you; not much demonstrated

> in the way of benefits either.

>

> Energy healing: Quackery. Energy is a very specific thing [or things]

> and no one claiming " energy healing " seems to have even a vague concept

> of the nature of energy.

>

> Meditation: I cannot meditate; cannot quite my mind. Possible

> psychological benefits. Ineffective for most illnesses.

>

> And I'll add a few...

>

> Iodine: Necessary for life. No demonstrated benefits above RDA unless

> pregnant or lactating. Typical US diet provides more than enough in

> most areas.

>

> Vegetarianism: Undecided. Apparently some possible/probable benefits,

> and some risks. You _can_ live without meat, but who would want to?

>

> Homeopathic medicine: Quackery. Totally lacking in any demonstrated

> benefit above chance/placebo; or even in any plausible theory as to how

> it might work.

>

> Detox: BS.

>

> Regards,

>

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... <matchermaam%40>

> > <mailto:matchermaam@... <matchermaam%40>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Salt>

>

> > matchermaam <matchermaam>

> >

> > Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:32 am (PST)

> >

> > , have you ever tried ANY form of alternative medicine; taking

> > vitamins and/or herbs, accupressure, accupuncture, yoga, organic food,

> > energy healing of any type, meditation, etc.?

> >

> > <>Roni

>

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February 16, 2010

That's why they're called OPINIONS; not " facts " ! [ggg]

I suspect a lot of us have unusual reactions to medications at some

times. I once had an asthma medication that provided relief from

certain attacks in about 3/4 of them. My doctor insisted there was

absolutely nothing in the medicine designed to provide that help. He

finally said that maybe I had a positive reaction to one of the inert

ingredients.

Another asthma medicine I took was effective in the pill form but not in

the inhaled form. The same doctor was frustrated by that response,

stating: " It CAN'T not work as an inhaler if it works as a pill. The

inhaler is a much more effective way to apply the exact same

medication " . BUT: I got no relief whatsoever from that inhaler, ever;

and had to use something else. And the pills worked great if taken

before vigorous exercise or exposure to irritants.

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20\

Was%3A%20Salt>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:39 pm (PST)

>

> I have tried a couple of these things. For some I agree with you, on

> others I differ. However, that does not preclude any of them from

> working for other people. As an illustration of

> how different we are (even though we seem to be the same) morphine

> usually takes a peron's pain away. For me it works backwards and

> enhances the pain. Codeine makes me pass out. Penicillin sends me into

> anaphalactic shock. Most people can use these things and have decent

> reactions, not for me.

>

> Nothing is perfect for everyone.

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " JAMES " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>>

> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:02 PM

>

> My wife wanted to try treating three cats with homeopathic medicine.

> The result was three dead cats. They most likely would have died anyway.

>

> I'll respond to each item you mention with my impression of it; YMMV.

>

> Vitamins: Necessary for health and life; probably about 90% [or more]

> wasted in most areas of the US when taken as a supplement. Mostly

> totally ineffective for any illness except a specific deficiency.

>

> Herbs: Some minor food value. Mostly ineffective for illnesses;

> although possibilities exist. Some modern medicines are IIRC derived

> from them. Some very harmful.

>

> Acupuncture/

> acupressure. Ineffective. No demonstrated value above

> chance or placebo. Any theoretical means of providing benefits utterly

> foolish.

>

> Yoga. Not a medicine. Probably some very good exercise; possible

> psychological benefits too. No demonstrated benefit in most illnesses.

>

> Organic food. Not a medicine. Not bad for you; not much demonstrated

> in the way of benefits either.

>

> Energy healing: Quackery. Energy is a very specific thing [or things]

> and no one claiming " energy healing " seems to have even a vague concept

> of the nature of energy.

>

> Meditation: I cannot meditate; cannot quite my mind. Possible

> psychological benefits. Ineffective for most illnesses.

>

> And I'll add a few...

>

> Iodine: Necessary for life. No demonstrated benefits above RDA unless

> pregnant or lactating. Typical US diet provides more than enough in

> most areas.

>

> Vegetarianism: Undecided. Apparently some possible/probable benefits,

> and some risks. You _can_ live without meat, but who would want to?

>

> Homeopathic medicine: Quackery. Totally lacking in any demonstrated

> benefit above chance/placebo; or even in any plausible theory as to how

> it might work.

>

> Detox: BS.

>

> Regards,

>

February 16, 2010

There's considerable evidence [mostly anecdotal AFAIK; although maybe

not] that our mental attitudes can have physiological results on our

health... Both positive and negative. It's far from a scientific effort

but if you want to read some examples see LOVE, MEDICINE AND MIRACLES by

Dr. Bernie Siegel.

Omega 3 is in fish such as salmon I think; and is available in capsule

form wherever vitamins are sold. It's a supplement that I think has

some solid backing as being helpful, but maybe I'm mistaken.

..

<http://www.berniesiegelmd.com/love_medicine_miracles.htm>

> Posted by: " Parsons " loradora10@...

>

<mailto:loradora10@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20Was%\

3A%20Salt>

> loradora10 <loradora10>

>

> Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:05 pm (PST)

>

> Interesting

> I pretty well agree

> I am currently reading a book by Jon about his amzing weight loos

> Amongst other things he suggest " Visualising " a thin you, for 10 mins

> a day

> I also cannot meditate

> as I cannot think of " nothing "

> I once fell asleep and hit my head on a desk during a work course

> " Full Mental Jacket "

>

> Anyway, JG also says that we do not get enough Omega3 in our diets

> Anyone know anything about this, or how you can best ingest same?

>

> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 8:32 AM, <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

>

> >

> > My wife wanted to try treating three cats with homeopathic medicine.

> > The result was three dead cats. They most likely would have died anyway.

> >

> > I'll respond to each item you mention with my impression of it; YMMV.

> >

> > Vitamins: Necessary for health and life; probably about 90% [or more]

> > wasted in most areas of the US when taken as a supplement. Mostly

> > totally ineffective for any illness except a specific deficiency.

> >

> > Herbs: Some minor food value. Mostly ineffective for illnesses;

> > although possibilities exist. Some modern medicines are IIRC derived

> > from them. Some very harmful.

> >

> > Acupuncture/

> acupressure. Ineffective. No demonstrated value above

> > chance or placebo. Any theoretical means of providing benefits utterly

> > foolish.

> >

> > Yoga. Not a medicine. Probably some very good exercise; possible

> > psychological benefits too. No demonstrated benefit in most illnesses.

> >

> > Organic food. Not a medicine. Not bad for you; not much demonstrated

> > in the way of benefits either.

> >

> > Energy healing: Quackery. Energy is a very specific thing [or things]

> > and no one claiming " energy healing " seems to have even a vague concept

> > of the nature of energy.

> >

> > Meditation: I cannot meditate; cannot quite my mind. Possible

> > psychological benefits. Ineffective for most illnesses.

> >

> > And I'll add a few...

> >

> > Iodine: Necessary for life. No demonstrated benefits above RDA unless

> > pregnant or lactating. Typical US diet provides more than enough in

> > most areas.

> >

> > Vegetarianism: Undecided. Apparently some possible/probable benefits,

> > and some risks. You _can_ live without meat, but who would want to?

> >

> > Homeopathic medicine: Quackery. Totally lacking in any demonstrated

> > benefit above chance/placebo; or even in any plausible theory as to how

> > it might work.

> >

> > Detox: BS.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

February 17, 2010

Well, your experiences might just have come from the fact that you didn't expect

the inhaler to work as well as the pill.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " JAMES " <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>>

> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:02 PM

>

> My wife wanted to try treating three cats with homeopathic medicine.

> The result was three dead cats. They most likely would have died anyway.

>

> I'll respond to each item you mention with my impression of it; YMMV.

>

> Vitamins: Necessary for health and life; probably about 90% [or more]

> wasted in most areas of the US when taken as a supplement. Mostly

> totally ineffective for any illness except a specific deficiency.

>

> Herbs: Some minor food value. Mostly ineffective for illnesses;

> although possibilities exist. Some modern medicines are IIRC derived

> from them. Some very harmful.

>

> Acupuncture/

> acupressure. Ineffective. No demonstrated value above

> chance or placebo. Any theoretical means of providing benefits utterly

> foolish.

>

> Yoga. Not a medicine. Probably some very good exercise; possible

> psychological benefits too. No demonstrated benefit in most illnesses.

>

> Organic food. Not a medicine. Not bad for you; not much demonstrated

> in the way of benefits either.

>

> Energy healing: Quackery. Energy is a very specific thing [or things]

> and no one claiming " energy healing " seems to have even a vague concept

> of the nature of energy.

>

> Meditation: I cannot meditate; cannot quite my mind. Possible

> psychological benefits. Ineffective for most illnesses.

>

> And I'll add a few...

>

> Iodine: Necessary for life. No demonstrated benefits above RDA unless

> pregnant or lactating. Typical US diet provides more than enough in

> most areas.

>

> Vegetarianism: Undecided. Apparently some possible/probable benefits,

> and some risks. You _can_ live without meat, but who would want to?

>

> Homeopathic medicine: Quackery. Totally lacking in any demonstrated

> benefit above chance/placebo; or even in any plausible theory as to how

> it might work.

>

> Detox: BS.

>

> Regards,

>

------------------------------------

February 17, 2010

I had absolutely no reason whatsoever to expect it to not work as well

as the pill. Maybe the pill response was placebo??? I don't know.

..

>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Alternative%20Opinions%2E%20%20\

Was%3A%20Salt>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:04 pm (PST)

>

> Well, your experiences might just have come from the fact that you

> didn't expect the inhaler to work as well as the pill.

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 10:14 AM

>

> That's why they're called OPINIONS; not " facts " ! [ggg]

>

> I suspect a lot of us have unusual reactions to medications at some

> times. I once had an asthma medication that provided relief from

> certain attacks in about 3/4 of them. My doctor insisted there was

> absolutely nothing in the medicine designed to provide that help. He

> finally said that maybe I had a positive reaction to one of the inert

> ingredients.

>

> Another asthma medicine I took was effective in the pill form but not in

> the inhaled form. The same doctor was frustrated by that response,

> stating: " It CAN'T not work as an inhaler if it works as a pill. The

> inhaler is a much more effective way to apply the exact same

> medication " . BUT: I got no relief whatsoever from that inhaler, ever;

> and had to use something else. And the pills worked great if taken

> before vigorous exercise or exposure to irritants.

>

February 17, 2010

, I hope your commentary on vitamins, herbs, homeopathy, etc. was just your

OPINION. I have worked in health food stores for over 25 years and I can tell

you I have seen many people helped with the use of these supplements.

I can even give you a personal example. I have MS with tingling/numbness of my

hands and arms while asleep. I started taking a product that contained a

combination of herbs for circulation/veins and within 2 weeks, the tingling

stopped. There were no other co-factors that would explain this change.

Not exactly a double-blind study, but perhaps credible evidence?

Beverly

February 17, 2010

What was it that you took. I get numbness in my hands and arms, sometimes legs

when sleeping. I also get foot cramping, and sometimes wake up and have to jump

out of bed to stand so that the cramp will stop.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Beverly Hammons <beebie10@...>

Subject: Alternative Opinions. Was: Salt

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:17 PM