Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 That's exactly the information that I have; but Sheila always claims differently. I'm waiting to see if she can come up with a T3 level in Nutri Thyroid. I'm not holding my breath. Nutri-Med _did_ throw me for a loop there with their claim to have both T3 and T4; but that claim appears to have disappeared, although you can still as of tonight find it if you go to the site from a Google search and view their 2/15/10 cache of the page. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22\ %20thyroid%20meds> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:34 pm (PST) > > > > Here is the information from that site for NutriMed Bovine. > > Now, this is what it says. It contains NO thyroid hormones. It > contains 140 mgs of Bovine thyroid concentrate in each capsule. It > says NOTHING about containing thyroid hormone. In fact it clearly > states that it does not. It is a nutritional support for the thyroid > gland, that's all. > > Nutri Thyroid > Thyroid Gland Concentrate > > Thyroid hormones regulate metabolic rate, body temperature and > cellular repair. Nutri Thyroid provides hormone-free > thyroid concentrate, to nutritionally support this regulatory gland. > Thyroid concentrate contains the amino acids required to support > healthy function of the thyroid gland. > > Recommendation: 1-3 tablets daily with food, or as directed > > Ingredients: Each tablet typically contains: Thyroid concentrate* > 140mg (*Bovine source from New Zealand) > Tableted with: Dicalcium phosphate Microcrystalline cellulose Silicon > dioxide Stearic acid > > Caution: None known if directions are followed. > > Information on this site is not intended to recommend any supplement > other than for nutritional purposes. Consult with your health care > professional if you have an existing medical condition. Do not take > these products if pregnant, planning pregnancy or breast-feeding > without first consulting your health care professional > * Consumer information > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>, " JAMES " <res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh%40gte.net>> > Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 6:33 PM > > If they measure T3 in Nutri Thyroid then please tell me how much T3 is > in it. You've repeatedly stated that the T3 is not removed and I've > repeatedly suggested that is not correct. It appears one of us must be > wrong, and I'm trying to find out for sure which it is. > > I did find a site in the UK selling NT that states that it is hormone > free. The site is Lifestyle Natural Health and here is the link: > . > . > > <http://www.lifestylenaturalhealth.co.uk/nutri-thyroid-i1038.html > <http://www.lifestylenaturalhealth.co.uk/nutri-thyroid-i1038.html>> > . > . > Here is the copy where they claim NT is hormone free: > . > . > > *Description* > *Nutri Thyroid > **Thyroid Gland Concentrate > * > Thyroid hormones regulate metabolic rate, body temperature and cellular > repair. Nutri Thyroid provides hormone-free thyroid concentrate, to > nutritionally support this regulatory gland. > Thyroid concentrate contains the amino acids required to support healthy > function of the thyroid gland. > * > Recommendation:* 1-3 tablets daily with food, or as directed > * > ---------------------------------------------------------- > **Ingredients:* Each tablet typically contains: Thyroid concentrate* > 140mg (*Bovine source from New Zealand) > . > . > Since T4 and T3 are both hormones they're claiming it _DOES NOT_ have T3. > > If you have a site that contradicts the above please post it. > > Now, to confuse matters further Nutri-Meds claims their thyroid > glandular product contains all of the natural thyroid; nothing is > removed [that would mean both T4 and T3]. But Dr. Lowe states that > is incorrect; that there is no T4 in Nutri-Med's product. > > Thanks, > > . > . > > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk> > > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk> > > > <mailto:sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk> > > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk>?Subject=%20Re% > > 3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22%20thyroid%20meds> > > > campaigner77 <campaigner77 > <campaigner77> > > <campaigner77 > <campaigner77>>> > > > > > > > > > Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:20 am (PST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How are you comparing 1.6mcg T3 and 66mcg of T4 in half a pound of > beef > > > to 130 mg of thyroxine free thyroid extract Chuck? The measure of > > > calcitonin is not published because it is not measured, in the > same way > > > the other hormones and enzymes in natural extract are not > measured. They > > > only ever measure T4 and T3 levels. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 > >> You sent no such message to me because I didn't call any doctor there a > quack. That is a lie. Your message was rejected. It is a well known fact that you call some doctors " quacks " on this forumn too. Is there any way you > can post a link to the actual specific ingredients of Nutri-thyroid? I > am very much interested to find any specific indication that it has as > much T3 as Armour does. Nutri Thyroid is a Thyroxine-free Thyroid Concentrate Each tablet typically provides: Thyroid concentrate 130mgs Parotid 1mg Dicalcium phosphates Microcrystalline cellulose Silicon Dioxide Stearic Acid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 The only thing I was concerned about was that you got the conversion of pounds to kilos so wrong on two occasions. Regarding eating hamburgers or beef ...as you pointed out it is only if they are cooked rare that any thyroid hormone(s) is/are available ...does this mean that it's the blood that is important? Trish > > > > On the planet I inhabit, 2.2 POUNDS = 1 KILO n'est pas! > > Mea culpa! My planet too. > > So, let's use a 12 oz. minimum steak. That is just over 1/3 kg. Cut my > numbers by 1/3, and it is still a lot more than is allowed in otc > thyroid extract. > > Chuck > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 As stated previously, Nutri Thyroid claim their product is thyroxine free i.e. T4 free and that it contains 130 mgs thyroid concentrate, it is reasonable to assume that the thyroid concentrate contains T3,T2,T1 as there is no claim that these have been removed and these are natural to thyroid gland tissue. You, on the other hand, assume that all thyroid hormones have been removed. Read what Dr Peatfield and Dr Lowe wrote. In Dr Peatfield's book " Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy " he writes " Where the thyroid has been damaged in some way, and cannot be expected to recover full function, we can turn to the earliest days of thyroid treatment, and the use of processed glandular concentrates. Extremely useful is whole glandular bovine or porcine thyroid concentrate, which contains 130mg of raw thyroid concentrate. Nutri-Meds in the USA and Nutri Ltd in the UK prepare these products, which are designated as dietary supplements and so do not require a prescription, although they do have to be recommended by a healthcare practitioner. The dosage levels may be largely set by the patient: monitoring symptoms, temperature and pulse should enable the correct dose to be arrived at. The dose is normally 1 or 2 tablets daily with food, usually in the morning; this may be increased after a few months to 3 or 4. All the time you must monitor your waking and evening temperature and pulse to assess your physical response, making a note of how you feel.... " ....and in his chapter directed at doctors he writes: " The stage is now set for the use of thyroid supplementation. You haver certain choices, which must be exercised. First, for patients whose blood tests may be equivocal but with a nevertheless convincing clinical diagnosis, it is effective, safe and proper to consider the use of natural glandular extracts. These are licensed as food products and are provided by, for example, Nutri Meds (bovine or porcine sourced) or Nutri Ltd (bovine sourced) in 130 mg amounts of thyroid glandular extract. The thyroid support which will begin two or three weeks after the adrenal supplement, should be started at 1 daily in the morning with food, increasing as required to perhaps 4 daily " Nutri Meds is a whole natural desiccated thyroid extract http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsules\ _p/nm-g-ptc.htm <http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Porcine_Thyroid_Capsule\ s_p/nm-g-ptc.htm> Read Dr Lowe's explanation http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm <http://www.thyroidscience.us/info/Q & As/Q & As.Nutri.Thyroid.7.htm> " Why would I have tremors on 3 capsules of Nutri-Thyroid, and would I do better with HSF? " (The role of underlying factors.) January 11, 2010 Q: Here in the UK, we can buy a product named " Nutri-Thyroid <http://www.worldwideshoppingmall.co.uk/body-soul/nutri-thyroid.asp> .. " I started taking 3 capsules, and 3 days later I felt so tremulous that I stopped it. When I bought it, my understanding was that it has no thyroid hormones in it. Are you familiar with Nutri-Thyroid and have you any notion why it caused me to have tremors? Do you think I would also have tremors if I take RLC Labs' HSF <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm> ? <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF Bottle> To Order HSF <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm#HSF Bottle> Dr. Lowe: I only learned about the product Nutri-Thyroid several days ago. I learned about it from someone I did a long-distance educational consultation with. She lives in the UK. I looked the product up on the Internet and found that advertisements describe it as " thyroxine-free. " It appears to me that the product is equivalent to Nutri-Meds <http://www.nutri-meds.com/Nutri_Meds_Desiccated_Bovine_Thyroid_Tablets_\ p/nm-g-btt.htm> over-the-counter (dietary desiccated thyroid) sold in the US. Both products are described as " glandulars. " Each capsule of each product contains 130 mg of desiccated thyroid powder from animals in New Zealand. Both products are also free of T4. (Nutri-Meds employees, however, mistakenly believe that their thyroid products contain T4; if the products did contain T4, the FDA would promptly remove them from the market.) The Nutri-Thyroid ads say that the powder is from cows, but Nutri-Meds sells both cow- and pig-derived desiccated thyroid products. Judging from Nutri-Thyroid ads stating that the product is " thyroxine-free, " we're left with the assumption that the product still contains T3, T2, T1, and calcitonin. This is a reasonable assumption in that these hormones are natural to thyroid gland tissue. As I said, Nutri-Thyroid and Nutri-Meds products contain 130 mg of thyroid powder per capsule. By contrast, HSF contains 300 mg of desiccated thyroid powder in each capsule. In addition, HSF contains an array of non-hormone compounds that are synergists to thyroid hormone. The Chief Science Officer at RLC Labs, Dai Jinn, formulated the ingredients of HSF. I believe he formulated the product brilliantly. I say this because of comparisons we've made in ongoing clinical studies. In the comparisons, we've given study subjects a desiccated thyroid " test powder. " The amount of powder we've given them is the same amount that's contained in the number of HSF capsules that have given them normal test results, such normal basal metabolic rates. Days after switching the subjects to the same amount of thyroid powder in the test capsules (minus the synergistic ingredients in HSF capsules), the study subjects' metabolic rates have markedly decreased. As a result of these study comparisons, I don't believe the effectiveness of HSF is due solely to the thyroid powder it contains; the other ingredients appear to provide some of the effectiveness of the product. As I suggested, this additional effectiveness, above that provided by the thyroid powder, is due to Dai Jinn's brilliant formulating calculations. Regarding our comparison studies, I have one regret: I don't know exactly how far on average the study subjects' metabolic rates would have fallen on the test powder alone. The reason is that as the subjects' metabolic rates began falling, they began experiencing unpleasant symptoms. It would have been inhumane to ask them to continue to bear the symptoms long enough for me to get reliable measurements of the lowest level to which their metabolic rates would have fallen. Now, to answer your two-part question, which was: (1) Why did you feel tremulous on 3 capsules of Nutri-Thyroid, and (2) would you do better taking HSF? First, let me say that your tremors are consistent with thyroid hormone overstimulation. I don't think, however, that thyroid hormone overstimulation was the sole cause of your tremors. I say this because 3 capsules that contain 130 mg of thyroid powder each are not likely to cause most people to have thyroid hormone overstimulation. I've talked with many people who've gotten well on products that contain 130 mg of thyroid powder. Most of them got well by taking between 6 and 10 capsules. This would be 780 mg to 1300 mg of thyroid powder. Most people who experience symptoms of overstimulation from only 3 of the capsules (390 mg of powder) have one or more underlying conditions that interacts with small doses of thyroid hormone to produce adverse effects. Tremors is one such effect. In my experience, the most common of these underlying conditions are: (1) a cortisol deficiency; (2) nutritional deficiencies, most often involving B complex vitamins; (3) abnormal blood sugar regulation; and (4) the intake of xanthine [pronounced zan' thçn] chemicals, such as caffeine, theobromine, theophyllin, and pseudoephedrine. (Examples of consumables that contain xanthines are coffee, tea, chocolate, cough medicines, and decongestants.) The interaction of one of these underlying conditions with your low dose of Nutri-Thyroid most likely produced your tremors. And you could, of course, easily mistake the cause of your tremors as being the 3 caps of Nutri-Thyroid you were taking. Remember, HSF <http://www.thyroidscience.us/products/hsf/intro.hsf.htm> contains synergistic ingredients that augment the effectiveness of the thyroid powder the capsules contains. Because of this, I suspect that you're likely to be even more tremulous if you take HSF capsules right now. Before trying them, it would be prudent for you to identify and correct any underlying conditions you have that can adversely interact with thyroid hormone. Then you should be able to find your safe and effective daily dose of which ever dietary desiccated thyroid product you prefer to use. I encourage you to continue working to improve your health, and I wish you the very best it. > > That's exactly the information that I have; but Sheila always claims > differently. I'm waiting to see if she can come up with a T3 level in > Nutri Thyroid. I'm not holding my breath. > > Nutri-Med _did_ throw me for a loop there with their claim to have both > T3 and T4; but that claim appears to have disappeared, although you can > still as of tonight find it if you go to the site from a Google search > and view their 2/15/10 cache of the page. > > > . > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Yes, Armour is from pigs. But don't feel badly; this is a mistake that all the ignorant doctors make, as well. We Armour patients (or, in my case, former Armour patient now on Erfa) have heard it many times before. I do feel that it may be instructive to point out that with the amount of hammering you guys do to those who offer errata instead of facts, when you yourselves make glaring mistakes on easy things (such as animal sources for Armour and the easy conversion of our system of weights to the metric system), you give yourselves a complete " pass " for making a mistake. Everyone else is uneducated, has a low IQ, or a suspect motive if they make a mistake. You, though, both remain at the top of the IQ scale and education scale and it's OK for you to make a mistake. I can see why others are leaving this list. The only reason I remain on it is that the occasional scientific fact which isn't easy to find elsewhere is brought forth here (such as the recent article on vitamin K, which for me was very absorbing and informative - thanks to whomever sent it in!). NDT used to be readily available in from both bovine and sheep sources, many years ago. I have seen hypothyroid people today who eat kosher looking for the bovine form, and they have found it impossible to locate now. Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi Cherwyn That is why some people use the supplements containing bovine adrenal concentrate such as Nutri Thyroid. Sheila > > > NDT used to be readily available in from both bovine and sheep sources, many > years ago. I have seen hypothyroid people today who eat kosher looking for > the bovine form, and they have found it impossible to locate now. > > > > Cherwyn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Nutri Thyroid makers haven't been hauled over the coals for misleading advertising, yet? Sheila > A number of web sites claim that thyroid glandulars have had the T4 > removed but still contain all the T3. However, both active forms are > prohibited for over the counter sales by 21 CFR 310 and 330-358, which > governs otc drugs. If the levels of either T3 or T4 were high enough to > have much effect, they would be regulated as drugs. Only if the levels > are at about the limit of easy detection can they be classed as > supplements. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I don't usually mix up a pig and a cow, but I have to confess, for someone who got excellent marks in math in school, I do get thrown with the metric system. At this stage, I'm not even upset about that, it's just inconvenient. Why they have to have two systems is beyond me. I know people claim that metric is more precise, but when you've been brought up and used our stystm all your life, it makes for more density in the brain conversion area. Besises, I'm dealing with enough problems without worrying about the metric system. LOL! <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Â Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Cherwyn Ambuter <cherwyn@...> Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds hypothyroidism Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:47 AM Yes, Armour is from pigs. But don't feel badly; this is a mistake that all the ignorant doctors make, as well. We Armour patients (or, in my case, former Armour patient now on Erfa) have heard it many times before. I do feel that it may be instructive to point out that with the amount of hammering you guys do to those who offer errata instead of facts, when you yourselves make glaring mistakes on easy things (such as animal sources for Armour and the easy conversion of our system of weights to the metric system), you give yourselves a complete " pass " for making a mistake. Everyone else is uneducated, has a low IQ, or a suspect motive if they make a mistake. You, though, both remain at the top of the IQ scale and education scale and it's OK for you to make a mistake. I can see why others are leaving this list. The only reason I remain on it is that the occasional scientific fact which isn't easy to find elsewhere is brought forth here (such as the recent article on vitamin K, which for me was very absorbing and informative - thanks to whomever sent it in!). NDT used to be readily available in from both bovine and sheep sources, many years ago. I have seen hypothyroid people today who eat kosher looking for the bovine form, and they have found it impossible to locate now. Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I wonder if the pharmaceutical companies in Israel make a T3,T4 bovine product. Muslims too are not supposed to eat pork. Actually if I found a bovine product like Armour and needed to take a combo product I think I would use it. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge! Â Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: SheilaT <sheilaturner@...> Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds hypothyroidism Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 6:48 AM Hi Cherwyn That is why some people use the supplements containing bovine adrenal concentrate such as Nutri Thyroid. Sheila > > > NDT used to be readily available in from both bovine and sheep sources, many > years ago. I have seen hypothyroid people today who eat kosher looking for > the bovine form, and they have found it impossible to locate now. > > > > Cherwyn > > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 That is simply not a true statement. I did not even know who Dr. Peatfield was, nor did I have any idea whatsoever that he promoted Nutri Thyroid, a quack product which has both the T3 and T4 removed. I didn't even know that _you_ were promoting it; I simply answered someone's question with an accurate answer: Nutri Thyroid has about the same medical benefit as the same quantity of beef or pork [which is what it is]. Beyond trace elements all of the active ingredients have been removed. I don't recall ever discussing the " iodine docs " and their quack site and products on your list; although I have here more than once. I wasn't really on your list long enough to get into a lot of matters, so I don't know if you have someone promoting quack quantities of iodine there. The ingredients below are the same ones typically posted; I note they don't list T3. I did have a moment or two of doubt when I found that Nutri-Med was advertising their thyroid glandular as having both T4 and T3. That apparently was an accidental or deliberate deception which has AFAIK now been removed from their site. Plus Chuck has confirmed once again that neither T3 nor T4 can be sold without a prescription; exactly the same information I had before. If you have any indication that Nutri Thyroid contains T3 beyond trace quantities [as you have repeatedly claimed] please post a link. .. .. > > > > >> You sent no such message to me because I didn't call any doctor > there a > > quack. That is a lie. > > Your message was rejected. It is a well known fact that you call some > doctors " quacks " on this forumn too. > > Is there any way you > > can post a link to the actual specific ingredients of Nutri-thyroid? I > > am very much interested to find any specific indication that it has as > > much T3 as Armour does. > > Nutri Thyroid is a Thyroxine-free Thyroid Concentrate > Each tablet typically provides: > Thyroid concentrate 130mgs > Parotid 1mg > Dicalcium phosphates > Microcrystalline cellulose > Silicon Dioxide > Stearic Acid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 , how about we leave this subject now? It's been discussed to death and we have other issues that need discussing. Sometimes communication is difficult on a group, but after a couple of go arounds, it's usually obvious that no one wants to change their opinion, and it has to end. I'm not saying anything bad about anyone. I know how frustrating it can be when someone doesn't understand a position. <>Roni Immortality exists! It's called knowledge!  Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <res075oh@...> Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds hypothyroidism Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:30 PM That is simply not a true statement. I did not even know who Dr. Peatfield was, nor did I have any idea whatsoever that he promoted Nutri Thyroid, a quack product which has both the T3 and T4 removed. I didn't even know that _you_ were promoting it; I simply answered someone's question with an accurate answer: Nutri Thyroid has about the same medical benefit as the same quantity of beef or pork [which is what it is]. Beyond trace elements all of the active ingredients have been removed. I don't recall ever discussing the " iodine docs " and their quack site and products on your list; although I have here more than once. I wasn't really on your list long enough to get into a lot of matters, so I don't know if you have someone promoting quack quantities of iodine there. The ingredients below are the same ones typically posted; I note they don't list T3. I did have a moment or two of doubt when I found that Nutri-Med was advertising their thyroid glandular as having both T4 and T3. That apparently was an accidental or deliberate deception which has AFAIK now been removed from their site. Plus Chuck has confirmed once again that neither T3 nor T4 can be sold without a prescription; exactly the same information I had before. If you have any indication that Nutri Thyroid contains T3 beyond trace quantities [as you have repeatedly claimed] please post a link. .. .. > > > > >> You sent no such message to me because I didn't call any doctor > there a > > quack. That is a lie. > > Your message was rejected. It is a well known fact that you call some > doctors " quacks " on this forumn too. > > Is there any way you > > can post a link to the actual specific ingredients of Nutri-thyroid? I > > am very much interested to find any specific indication that it has as > > much T3 as Armour does. > > Nutri Thyroid is a Thyroxine-free Thyroid Concentrate > Each tablet typically provides: > Thyroid concentrate 130mgs > Parotid 1mg > Dicalcium phosphates > Microcrystalline cellulose > Silicon Dioxide > Stearic Acid ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 If it's steak and it's not bleeding it probably tastes about like Nutri Thyroid IMHO! [ggg] And my wife exclaims: " you're not going to eat that! It's not even dead... " .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22%20\ thyroid%20meds> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:50 am (PST) > > > > The only thing I was concerned about was that you got the conversion > of pounds to kilos so wrong on two occasions. > > Regarding eating hamburgers or beef ...as you pointed out it is only > if they are cooked rare that any thyroid hormone(s) is/are available > ...does this mean that it's the blood that is important? > > Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Trish wrote: > > > The only thing I was concerned about was that you got the conversion of > pounds to kilos so wrong on two occasions. > > Regarding eating hamburgers or beef ...as you pointed out it is only if > they are cooked rare that any thyroid hormone(s) is/are available > ...does this mean that it's the blood that is important? No, it's in the tissues. The longer you cook it, the more active hormones are destroyed. You still get some T4 and T3 from a well done steak but not nearly as much as in rare. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Sheila, You wrote: > > As stated previously, Nutri Thyroid claim their product is thyroxine > free i.e. T4 free and that it contains 130 mgs thyroid concentrate, it > is reasonable to assume that the thyroid concentrate contains T3,T2,T1 > as there is no claim that these have been removed and these are natural > to thyroid gland tissue... No, it is not reasonable at all, since the presence of any active hormone is prohibited by both USDA and FDA regulations, unless they are selling a prescription drug. Also, the chemical processes that would dissolve or cook T4 out of the tissue would also destroy or dissolve T3 and T2. The doctors were citing the ambiguous and misleading ads from Nutri-Meds. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Do you think that will change now that we have established that Nutri Thyroid has no T3 [or any other hormone above trace quantities] in it? Personally I don't think it will. I think the same people will keep promoting it despite its demotion from a product with T3 to one without. .. <http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/ThyroidSupport/tabid/665/Defau\ lt.aspx> .. .. .. .. > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22oth\ er%22%20thyroid%20meds> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:49 am (PST) > > > > > Hi Cherwyn > > That is why some people use the supplements containing bovine adrenal > concentrate such as Nutri Thyroid. > > Sheila > > > > > > NDT used to be readily available in from both bovine and sheep > sources, many > > years ago. I have seen hypothyroid people today who eat kosher looking > for > > the bovine form, and they have found it impossible to locate now. > > > > > > > > Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 That's because they tell you right up front on their web page that Nutri Thyroid is hormone free. It has no T4 or T3 beyond trace quantities. .. <.http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/ThyroidSupport/tabid/665/Defa\ ult.aspx> .. .. Apparently it's other sites selling it and certain quack practitioners who have spread the misconception that Nutri Thyroid has T3 in it; along with others who are unable or unwilling to actually determine what's in it. You'd think that when the manufacturer posts right up front that it's hormone free most people would get the message, wouldn't you??? Of course, I _am_ making an assumption: That Nutri Ltd is telling the truth. That's somewhat risky with any site producing a quack product. > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22oth\ er%22%20thyroid%20meds> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:56 am (PST) > > > > > Nutri Thyroid makers haven't been hauled over the coals for misleading > advertising, yet? > Sheila > > > A number of web sites claim that thyroid glandulars have had the T4 > > removed but still contain all the T3. However, both active forms are > > prohibited for over the counter sales by 21 CFR 310 and 330-358, which > > governs otc drugs. If the levels of either T3 or T4 were high enough > to > > have much effect, they would be regulated as drugs. Only if the levels > > are at about the limit of easy detection can they be classed as > > supplements. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 SheilaT wrote: > > > > Nutri Thyroid makers haven't been hauled over the coals for misleading > advertising, yet? The FDA usually starts with a private warning letter. Since they changed their advertising, I suspect they had their shot across the bow and responded appropriately. Remember FDA does not regulate them as a drug, either otc or by prescription. As long as their claims don't cross the line, they are relatively free of oversight. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 As long as someone keeps posting outright false statements about things I allegedly did that I did not do then I'll probably feel that I should point out that they are false. Once they stop that will no longer be necessary. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22\ %20thyroid%20meds> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Mon Feb 22, 2010 1:39 pm (PST) > > > > , how about we leave this subject now? It's been discussed to > death and we have other issues that need discussing. Sometimes > communication is difficult on a group, but after a couple of go > arounds, it's usually obvious that no one wants to change their > opinion, and it has to end. I'm not saying anything bad about anyone. > I know how frustrating it can be when someone doesn't understand a > position. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:30 PM > > That is simply not a true statement. I did not even know who Dr. > Peatfield was, nor did I have any idea whatsoever that he promoted Nutri > Thyroid, a quack product which has both the T3 and T4 removed. I didn't > even know that _you_ were promoting it; I simply answered someone's > question with an accurate answer: Nutri Thyroid has about the same > medical benefit as the same quantity of beef or pork [which is what it > is]. Beyond trace elements all of the active ingredients have been > removed. > > I don't recall ever discussing the " iodine docs " and their quack site > and products on your list; although I have here more than once. I > wasn't really on your list long enough to get into a lot of matters, so > I don't know if you have someone promoting quack quantities of iodine > there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 A friend of mine likes her steak " on a cold plate & walked past a candle. " On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:40 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote: > > > If it's steak and it's not bleeding it probably tastes about like Nutri > Thyroid IMHO! [ggg] > > And my wife exclaims: " you're not going to eat that! It's not even > dead... " > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... <fielddot%40gmail.com> > > <mailto:fielddot@... <fielddot%40gmail.com> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22%20thyroid%20meds> > > trishruk <trishruk> > > > > > > Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:50 am (PST) > > > > > > > > The only thing I was concerned about was that you got the conversion > > of pounds to kilos so wrong on two occasions. > > > > Regarding eating hamburgers or beef ...as you pointed out it is only > > if they are cooked rare that any thyroid hormone(s) is/are available > > ...does this mean that it's the blood that is important? > > > > Trish > > > -- www.giftedchildren.webs.com Fun & challenging activities for Gifted Children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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