Re: Experience with other thyroid meds

[Guest guest]

The only thing I would say is to be very careful of what you take and make sure

you know all the ingredients before you take it, as well as how much of each T3

and T4 is in the new drug you choose to use.  On the other hand you can get T3

and T4 separately, and have your doctor tell you haow much of each to use. This

would be a personalized formulation for you only.

 

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: dia47@... <dia47@...>

Subject: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:51 AM

Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for over 2

years so have to decide what else I can get.

Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or Thiroyd?

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

> Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for over 2

years so have to decide what else I can get.

>

> Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

*Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over the

Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

Jot

[Guest guest]

>

> I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

> *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

> The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

>

> Jot

Thanks for the info...might look into the thiroyd as with the Armour I cut it up

so I take it during the day instead of all at once. doesn't sound like Thyroid S

that would be possible. Wish I could get EFRA but can't get Dr to cooperate..

will only prescribe synthroid.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> The only thing I would say is to be very careful of what you take and make

sure you know all the ingredients before you take it, as well as how much of

each T3 and T4 is in the new drug you choose to use.  On the other hand you can

get T3 and T4 separately, and have your doctor tell you haow much of each to

use. This would be a personalized formulation for you only.

>

>  Thanks.. am writing down what's in everything so when I have to make a

decision I will have the info I need. No chance with Dr. Have been to 3 and

none of them will cooperate.. the last endo was horrified that I would even

consider natural... after all I would catch mad cow.... sure would be difficult

since it comes from pig... but....

[Guest guest]

You may want to consider switching doctors. If you can get the doc to write for

Armour, the Canadian Drugstore will fill it with Erfa.

I've had a couple of docs that insisted on Synthroid even when it made me feel

especially bad. I fired them both and went to someone who cared more about

taking care of his patients than prescribing the most marketed drug.

This isn't a negative against you. I just spent a lot of time sick on Synthroid

and saw symptoms immediately disappear when I switched to natural. I pray that I

never have to go back.

Good luck,

>

>

> >

> > Jot

>

> Thanks for the info...might look into the thiroyd as with the Armour I cut it

up so I take it during the day instead of all at once. doesn't sound like

Thyroid S that would be possible. Wish I could get EFRA but can't get Dr to

cooperate.. will only prescribe synthroid.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer this

question.Thanks.

>

>

>

> > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for over

2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

>

>

> I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

> *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

> The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

>

> Jot

>

[Guest guest]

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

>

>

>

> > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

>

>

> I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

> *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

> The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

>

> Jot

>

[Guest guest]

Wish I could get EFRA but can't get Dr to cooperate.. will only prescribe

synthroid.

I'm afraid medical DRs have contributed greatly to our negative thyroid epidemic

in the world.....If only I had a magic wand...I'd do everything I could to

change that. Buy a pill cutter at Walmart for 2 dollars and you've got the world

at your fingertips :0)

You'll feel so much better once you get going on the dessicated meds....and I

wish you good health.

Jot

[Guest guest]

How do you get your rxs of Erfa on line? How long does it take?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

Erfa does not contain cellulose?? 

Venizia

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@ citcom.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that it does not. It is very sweet even more than old

Armour and cuts clean.

Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

>

>

>

> > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

>

>

> I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

> *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd

over the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

> The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just

as good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

>

> Jot

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.erfa-sa.com/Erfa-CPS/CPS%20English/minipress_ver1.pdf

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@ citcom.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

Roni,  This does not look like the drug for thyroid which is called Erfa.

Am I missing something?

Venizia

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@ citcom.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

Here's another one.

 

http://www.hospitalsoup.com/health-conditions/thyroid/natural-thyroid-medication\

-shortage-hits-patients-hard

 

You have to read down for the Erfa contents.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@ citcom.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

Ok thanks Roni.

Venizia

From: Davd and Donna <daveanddonna@ citcom.net>

Subject: Re: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 7:51 AM

Some might disagree but in my opinion no. I found the texture similar to new

Armour but not as bad. I think NT also contains quite a bit of cellulose. I

think it is somewhere in between. I am using Erfa which I love.

Donna

  Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

   

  Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

 

  >

  >

  >

  > > Am running out of my stockpile of the old Armour which I've been on for

over 2 years so have to decide what else I can get.

  > >

  > > Can anyone tell me about any experience they have had with Thyroid-S or

Thiroyd?

  >

  >

  > I prefer *Thyroid ERFA* from Canada as my first source and

  > *Thiroyd by Greater Pharma* for my second choice. I prefer the Thiroyd over

the Thyroid-S because the S has a shell on it like m & ms..

  > The Thiroyd will melt under your tongue just like old armour. It is just as

good, if not better, than Armour thyroid.

  >

  > Jot

  >

 

[Guest guest]

Some people report that. A few report feeling worse. When double blind

studies have been done the percentage of patients who felt better on

Armour or similar over Synthroid fell to chance or placebo. YMMV.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " jitterjotter " jitterjotter@...

>

<mailto:jitterjotter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%2\

2%20thyroid%20meds>

> jitterjotter <jitterjotter>

>

>

> Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:19 am (PST)

>

>

>

>

>

> Wish I could get EFRA but can't get Dr to cooperate.. will only

> prescribe synthroid.

>

> I'm afraid medical DRs have contributed greatly to our negative

> thyroid epidemic in the world.....If only I had a magic wand...I'd do

> everything I could to change that. Buy a pill cutter at Walmart for 2

> dollars and you've got the world at your fingertips :0)

>

> You'll feel so much better once you get going on the dessicated

> meds....and I wish you good health.

>

> Jot

[Guest guest]

What is the source of your statemements? When were these double

blind studies done, and by whom?

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 7:32 AM

Some people report that.  A few report feeling worse.  When double blind

studies have been done the percentage of patients who felt better on

Armour or similar over Synthroid fell to chance or placebo.  YMMV.

..

..

>

>       Posted by: " jitterjotter " jitterjotter@...

>   

   <mailto:jitterjotter@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22othe\

r%22%20thyroid%20meds>

>       jitterjotter <jitterjotter>

>

>

>         Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:19 am (PST)

>

>

>

>

>

> Wish I could get EFRA but can't get Dr to cooperate.. will only

> prescribe synthroid.

>

> I'm afraid medical DRs have contributed greatly to our negative

> thyroid epidemic in the world.....If only I had a magic wand...I'd do

> everything I could to change that. Buy a pill cutter at Walmart for 2

> dollars and you've got the world at your fingertips :0)

>

> You'll feel so much better once you get going on the dessicated

> meds....and I wish you good health.

>

> Jot

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

How do you get your rxs of Erfa on line? How long does it take?

There are many Canadian Pharmacies which you can go to online for Thyroid ERFA.

Just fax your script into them. I'm not sure if I am allowed to put up links for

them here, so if you want to email me personally, I can give you a few.

JOT

[Guest guest]

Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer this

question.Thanks.

My experience with NT was not so great. It doesn't dissolve under your tongue so

it needs to be swallowed. I don't find the same rate of absorption with the NT.

With me, meds work better absorbing through the mucous membranes......It also

did not have that *kick* that the others have and so I never felt quite right.

It just didn't work for me.

It's all a personal choice with what works best with each individual body. I

know people who have great results with NT, but it didn't work for me.

JOT

[Guest guest]

My method for taking the new armour or Naturethroid is to break it up with my

teeth and then put the pieces under my tongue. It dissolves pretty well this way

and seems to work better for me.

Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

Is NatureThyroid like the old Armour formulation? Please can anyone answer

this question.Thanks.

My experience with NT was not so great. It doesn't dissolve under your tongue

so it needs to be swallowed. I don't find the same rate of absorption with the

NT. With me, meds work better absorbing through the mucous membranes......It

also did not have that *kick* that the others have and so I never felt quite

right. It just didn't work for me.

It's all a personal choice with what works best with each individual body. I

know people who have great results with NT, but it didn't work for me.

JOT

[Guest guest]

IIRC they were reported on this list; maybe by Chuck??? Sorry I can't

really remember.

..

..

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

<mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22\

%20thyroid%20meds>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:38 am (PST)

>

>

>

> What is the source of your statemements? When were these double

> blind studies done, and by whom?

>

> <>Roni

> Immortality exists!

> It's called knowledge!

>

> Just because something isn't seen

> doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

>

>

> From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 7:32 AM

>

> Some people report that. A few report feeling worse. When double blind

> studies have been done the percentage of patients who felt better on

> Armour or similar over Synthroid fell to chance or placebo. YMMV.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your problem is that you fail to follow up your statements by

citing references. If you haven't got references, you should not post

information. The information you have posted is incorrect..

The belief that hypothyroidism is best treated by levothyroxine -only

(T4) is based on opinion only. Treating with T4 alone is not, and never

has been, based on solid scientific evidence. To this end, the

effectiveness of thyroid extract versus synthetic thyroxine should be

compared in furtherclinical trials, especially involving problematic

patients – as was first shown in a 1932 study comparing

levothyroxine and desiccated thyroid extract in hypothyroid patients.[1]

There has been a recent study in the UK comparing levothyroxine with

natural thyroid extract that showed hypothyroid patients who remained

polysymptomatic on T4-only treatment who were switched to Armour thyroid

extract became biochemically euthyroid and completely symptom-free.[2]

Ref:

1) Willard Owen , Lawrence L. McLellan, Phebe K. , and

Lois F. N. Dickie " The rates of utilization of thyroxine and of

desiccated thyroid in man: The relation between the iodine in desiccated

thyroid and in thyroxine " . Department of Medicine, Rush Medical

College, and The Presbyterian Hospital, Chicago: J Clin Invest. 1933

January; 12(1): 235–246.

2) Gautam Das, Shweta Anand & Parijat De. Diabetes & Endocrine Unit,

City Hospital, Birmingham, United Kingdom Endocrine Abstracts (2007)13

P316

Sheila

> >

> > Some people report that. A few report feeling worse. When double

blind

> > studies have been done the percentage of patients who felt better on

> > Armour or similar over Synthroid fell to chance or placebo. YMMV.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

By your criteria you certainly shouldn't be promoting dessicated thyroid

from which both T4 and T3 have been removed; basically a quack product.

You certainly don't have any credible reference supporting that. And I

don't need a peer reviewed publication to point out the lack of support

for your recommendation.

I actually composed a far more extensive response but I happened to read

Chuck's post before I finished it so I'm deleting the balance. I think

he addressed your distortions far better than I could have.

Despite my lack of ability to quote much if anything in the way of

credible research I remain convinced that for some percentage of hypo

patients Armour is probably a better choice than T4 alone. IMHO it is

unfortunate that it is so difficult to obtain in the UK.

..

>

> Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@...

>

<mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22oth\

er%22%20thyroid%20meds>

> campaigner77 <campaigner77>

>

>

> Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:05 am (PST)

>

>

>

>

> Your problem is that you fail to follow up your statements by

> citing references. If you haven't got references, you should not post

> information. The information you have posted is incorrect..

[Guest guest]

I have never even heard of Armour until I started reading this group's

discussions.

I have been taking Thyroxine for around 15 yrs now.

i have my blood test done yesterday as it has been 12 months since I last

have my levels checked.

So I thought I would be more vigilant from now on

Next week I will actually ask to see the results

which I never have before.

On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, <res075oh@...> wrote:

>

>

> By your criteria you certainly shouldn't be promoting dessicated thyroid

> from which both T4 and T3 have been removed; basically a quack product.

> You certainly don't have any credible reference supporting that. And I

> don't need a peer reviewed publication to point out the lack of support

> for your recommendation.

>

> I actually composed a far more extensive response but I happened to read

> Chuck's post before I finished it so I'm deleting the balance. I think

> he addressed your distortions far better than I could have.

>

> Despite my lack of ability to quote much if anything in the way of

> credible research I remain convinced that for some percentage of hypo

> patients Armour is probably a better choice than T4 alone. IMHO it is

> unfortunate that it is so difficult to obtain in the UK.

>

>

>

> .

>

> >

> > Posted by: " SheilaT "

sheilaturner@...<sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk>

> > <mailto:sheilaturner@... <sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22other%22%20thyroid%20meds>

> > campaigner77 <campaigner77>

> >

> >

> > Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:05 am (PST)

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Your problem is that you fail to follow up your statements by

> > citing references. If you haven't got references, you should not post

> > information. The information you have posted is incorrect..

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

, I don't understand. Armour is made from dessicated thyroid, and it has

both T3 and T4. Maybe I'm not reading what you wrote correctly.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Experience with " other " thyroid meds

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:18 PM

By your criteria you certainly shouldn't be promoting dessicated thyroid

from which both T4 and T3 have been removed; basically a quack product. 

You certainly don't have any credible reference supporting that.  And I

don't need a peer reviewed publication to point out the lack of support

for your recommendation.

I actually composed a far more extensive response but I happened to read

Chuck's post before I finished it so I'm deleting the balance.  I think

he addressed your distortions far better than I could have.

Despite my lack of ability to quote much if anything in the way of

credible research I remain convinced that for some percentage of hypo

patients Armour is probably a better choice than T4 alone.  IMHO it is

unfortunate that it is so difficult to obtain in the UK.

..

>

>       Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@...

>   

   <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Experience%20with%20%22\

other%22%20thyroid%20meds>

>       campaigner77 <campaigner77>

>

>

>         Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:05 am (PST)

>

>

>

>

> Your problem is that you fail to follow up your statements by

> citing references. If you haven't got references, you should not post

> information. The information you have posted is incorrect..

------------------------------------