Bogus 45,000,000 uninsured. was: Fw: Re:Rationing

[Guest guest]

I suspect she already Googled it. 17 million of those without health

insurance live in households with over $50,000 per year income. 9

million live in households with over $75,000 per year. 18 million are in

the age group of 18 to 34, and spend more than four times as much on

alcohol, tobacco, entertainment and dining out as they do for

out-of-pocket spending on *health* care. This is another group we can

rightly eliminate from Obama’s hordes of desperate, needy sick. 14

million people without *health* *insurance* are eligible for government

*health* care programs like Medicaid and S-CHIP but choose not to

enroll. This 14 million are already covered by existing programs; all

they have to do is sign up.

The number of 45,000,000 desperate, needy sick uninsured is totally

bogus, and anyone who does not know that has a hopeless disconnect from

the factual universe.

I don't agree with parts of the article below [some of which I directly

quoted above] but the facts on the bogus 45,000,000 uninsured seem to be

covered very well. Enjoy.

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> Tuesday, August 25, 2009

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> Facts Obliterate 37 Million People

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<http://amerexile.blogspot.com/2009/08/facts-obliterate-37-million-people.html>

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> In a response to one of my articles in which I had the audacity to

> express the value and importance of Constitutional limits on

> government, a reader responded with a declaration that typifies the

> current quality of discourse in American politics. The reader wrote,

> “Limiting ourselves to what the ancients thought makes ancients of us

> all. I deny...the notion [that] we as a people are bound by what folks

> two hundred years ago would *have* us do today.”

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> It is apparent that the reader fails to make a critical distinction

> between universal truth and the transient whims of popular opinion.

> Such confusion is the result of our cavalier political and cultural

> superficiality. When people are bereft of historical context and

> ignorant of the persistent flaws of human nature, they are prone to

> ignore the predictable consequences of their beliefs. In the modern

> quasi-religion of secular-democracy, we are conditioned to accept that

> the state is all-powerful; somehow above the laws of nature.

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> Under this mass delusion, the intellectual atmosphere is dampened by a

> fog of irrationality in which a concrete world of objective facts can

> be magically transformed into a malleable medium that will render real

> results based merely upon our wishes; and real consequences can be

> eradicated by popular vote or government edict. In such an atmosphere,

> “truth” becomes whatever is necessary to manufacture the consensus

> which the powerful wish to cultivate.

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> A perfect example of “facts” presented under this spell is the

> ominous-sounding numbers of “uninsured” *Americans* – a number

> swallowed whole by a media that should rightly be the government’s

> fact checker, but is instead, its lap dog. The “*45,000,000* uninsured

> *Americans*” that make up the emotional and “factual” motive for

> Obama’s proposed nationalization of the *health* care system is bogus.

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> Obama and is cronies in Congress know that a dispassionate, fact-based

> deliberation of the issue would fail to give them the public support

> they need, so instead they do what has proven successful in the past.

> They come up with a really big number and keep saying it over and over

> and over and over...until what is left of our cognitive function is

> obliterated in the maelstrom of incessant repetition and Pavlovian

> emotional responses. The number is *45,000,000*. That’s a really big

> number. Holy Cow! *45,000,000*? Oh my God! We’ve got to do something

> quick! Let’s run to the polls, vote away our rights (again) and give

> those wise, compassionate and devoted people in government the power

> to make that number go away. Anything you want! Just make the number

> go away!

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> But wait. Some people are not so easily hypnotized by the dulcet tones

> and manly good looks of our shiny new President. Some of us overly

> suspicious, conspiracy theorizing, malcontent, lunatic fringe

> “potential domestic terrorists” expect truth and accuracy from our

> leaders. Darn! What a revoltin’ development! OK, let’s look at the

> facts about that number.

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> An article at “Free market Cure” (See their link below) provides a

> breakdown of the *45,000,000* *Americans* who *don’t* *have* *health*

> *insurance*. The site provides links to a variety of sources where

> anyone can check the statistics. According to the article, the US

> Census Bureau shows that “17 million of those without *health*

> *insurance* live in households having over $50,000 in annual income.”

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> The article says that “9 million ... reside in households pulling down

> more than $75K a year.” The fact that people earn enough to buy

> *health* *insurance*, but choose not to, reasonably eliminates them

> from Obama’s “uninsured *Americans*” list.

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> The article sites sources that label some of the uninsured as “young

> invincibles.” “Over 18 million of the uninsured are people between the

> ages of 18 and 34. They spend more than four times as much on alcohol,

> tobacco, entertainment and dining out as they do for out-of-pocket

> spending on *health* care.” This is another group we can rightly

> eliminate from Obama’s hordes of desperate, needy sick.

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> “14 million people without *health* *insurance* are eligible for

> government *health* care programs like Medicaid and S-CHIP but choose

> not to enroll.” In other words, they are already covered. Subtract 14

> million.

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> “The U.S. has 12 million illegal immigrants who *don’t* buy *health*

> *insurance* but still get *health* care.”

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> So when we take Obama’s fictitious (but really scary sounding) number

> of 45 million; subtract those who can afford *health* *insurance* but

> just *don’t* bother to buy it; those who qualify for existing

> socialized medicine but *don’t* apply; illegal immigrants who *don’t*

> buy *insurance* but still receive care on our dime; what is left is

> around 8 million people who are chronically uninsured. But that number

> is influenced by unemployment. When people leave or lose one job; and

> the *health* *insurance* that goes with it, they are uninsured until

> they find another job with benefits. This number is inflated due to

> the massive unemployment precipitated by government bungling in the

> economy. Hmmm; another example of a problem caused by those who now

> want all of us to sacrifice to fix it.

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> To those of us whose hearts go out to people who must rely exclusively

> on emergency rooms for health care, this number is still unacceptable.

> But in an economic climate where we have unemployment officially

> pegged just below 10%; and a much larger “unofficial” unemployment

> rate (those unreported, who can’t or won’t seek unemployment

> assistance); a cumulative debt burden (public and private)that

> represents over 400% of GDP; an existing social welfare system (Social

> Security, Medicare, Medicaid) ready to implode from chronic insolvency

> and mismanagement; two costly wars; troop deployments in over 130

> countries; a foreign aid budget that exceeds $80 billion annually; it

> is really hard to justify either the added expense or the potential

> abuses that are likely under a sweeping nationalization of the entire

> health care system, just for 8 million people.

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> However, for those who insist that those 8 million people deserve

> health care insurance funded by the public, there are a number of ways

> we could pay for it without either raising taxes or nationalizing the

> system. Let’s look just a few cost-saving ideas:

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> Withdraw our troops from Iraq (a promise that Obama has yet to deliver

> upon, except on a timetable established under Bush) and Afghanistan,

> or the other 130 nations around the globe that should rightly provide

> their own defense.

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> Stop giving money to the United Nations and the International Monetary

> Fund: an expense that provides no direct – or even tertiary – benefit

> to American taxpayers.

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> Shut down the Department of Education: 2009 Education Department

> Budget: $140.5 billion. Since its inception the Department of

> Education has failed to meet any of its mandates, yet we keep spending

> more every year.

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> Stop subsidizing General Motors, Chrysler, and Wall Street Bankers and

> insurance companies: A total of over $1 trillion has been sunk into

> companies that were failing due to a combination of poor management,

> brazenly foolish investments, regulatory failures, regulatory abuse,

> or Union extortion. Their failures were either precipitated by

> government meddling or ignored by government regulators.

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> Decriminalize Drugs and release all non-violent drug offenders. Half

> of domestic law enforcement expenses, court costs and penal system

> dollars are dedicated to the failed War on Drugs.

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> Cut Obama’s staff. Obama has 22 staffers.

> Twenty-two! The most staffers that any other First Lady has ever had

> are five. The First Lay’s bloated staff costs us $1.6 million per year.

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> And by the way, , her anointed husband, and every member of

> Congress will be excluded from the new health care system. They

> already get the best care on the planet – at taxpayer expense.

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> The audacity of justifying the nationalization of health care in light

> of the actual numbers of chronically uninsured, together with this

> partial list of outlandish extravagances and waste should rightly be

> an insult to any thinking person.

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> Despite the clocklike repetition of deceitful and manipulative

> rhetoric droning from Obama’s monotonous sycophants, the cure that Dr.

> Obama offers is most definitely worse than the disease.

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> http://www.freemarketcure.com/uninsuredinamerica_transcript.php#2

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> Posted by: " nancie barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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> Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:45 pm (PST)

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> no their not. You are LYING

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> From: Crystal

> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:30 PM

> hypothyroidism

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> Subject: Re: Re:Rationing

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> That is exactly what happens in the UK.. Their hospitals are overflowing!

> CW