Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 You seem unaware of any difference between anecdotal evidence and credible research. Hearsay is only one small part of anecdotal evidence. In the US hearsay is typically _legal_ evidence that is not allowed in a court of law; it has nothing to do with scientific research. It would never be presented by a competent researcher as credible research; only by those unfamiliar with the scientific method and the requirements of credible research. A properly controlled double blind study would provide credible evidence; filling out an on-line survey of subjective matters is basically anecdotal evidence. But don't despair: It still might be convincing enough to obtain exactly the results you desire. Anecdotal evidence isn't always wrong; it's just always anecdotal evidence. If you're going to be presenting it to someone who knows the difference between anecdotal evidence and a properly controlled study and you make it clear you don't know the difference you can harm your own cause. All I'm suggesting...for your own good and for the good of the cause you're promoting... is that you take a little time and learn what actually makes a study credible. If you go presenting anecdotal evidence or something similar to anyone conversant in scientific matters while insisting that it is a credible study they're probably going to put you down as a kook and not even bother to look at what you do have. That's the last thing you want to happen. There may not be a better way to accomplish what you're attempting. You probably don't need a properly conducted research project, especially if you're going to be presenting it to someone who is not a scientist. OTOH maybe I just worry too much. A bureaucrat in other than a field of science probably wouldn't know a double blind study if one bit him in the butt; and might find your research highly persuasive. Good Luck, .. .. > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:49 am (PST) > > > > > Count yourself lucky > > > that you are doing fine on levothyroxine only, and instead of being > > > sceptical about people like me needing to produce " credible > evidence " > > . > > . > > You don't need to produce anything for me. You don't need to produce > > anything to relate your personal experience to others here. HOWEVER: > > Once you start " prescribing " for others then IMHO you _do_ need to be > > supported by credible evidence. > > I do not prescribe, nor do I authorise, but I do recommend. I do > research and can and do, produce " credible evidence " when this is needed > drawn from studies, clinical trials and science that is available. > > And I will point out if you promote > > some quack process or product without any credible support. > > I do NOT promote ANY " quack " process or " quack " products - if they had > " credible support " they wouldn't be " quack " would they? > > > > Incidentally: You aren't trying to produce " credible evidence " ; you're > > trying to produce a large quantity of anecdotal evidence. It might be > > not only correct but also serve your intended purpose well but you > > really should know the difference; if for no other reason than the > fact > > that it's entirely possible that some of those to whom you present it > > _will_ know the difference and it places you at a disadvantage if you > > appear to not do so. > > I am not producing " anecdotal evidence " (hearsay), I will be presenting > data which has been placed directly online by patients subjected to T4 > only therapy who continued to have symptoms of hypothyroidism, yet had > their symptoms eleviated or eleiminated when given a T3 hormone > containing product. > > Are you about to suggest an alternative and better way? > > Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 While I don't have any " credible evidence " to support my opinion I do have sufficient anecdotal evidence to convince me that Sheila is exactly who and what she says she is. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:23 am (PST) > > > > A thought just struck me Sheila. You are asking for thousands of names > and email addresses, and actually we don't know who you are. Is there > some way you could identify > yourself so that we know for sure who you are and what you intend to > do with all that information? > > <>Roni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 That's okay, Trish. I almost made a mistake myself once! [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:11 am (PST) > > > > > > I may be wrong, I apologise if that's the case. > > Trish > > > > > > I don't have any terror at the notion that someone might die, but I > > think it's rather foolish and inconsiderate to provide instructions to > > someone that have a small chance of killing them without also providing > > that information. We can make our best judgment IMHO when we have all > > of the available information. I personally declined a prescription from > > my cardiologist based upon my evaluation of probable risks/benefits > last > > month. > > > > BTW, are you sure table salt is bleached? I don't believe I ever heard > > that. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I'm sure. My response was partially a self-depreciating joke aimed at my obvious very frequent use of the " credible evidence " phrase. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:43 pm (PST) > > > > I'm not disputing her identity, just trying to verify it. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:24 PM > > While I don't have any " credible evidence " to support my opinion I do > have sufficient anecdotal evidence to convince me that Sheila is exactly > who and what she says she is. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 At one time I was a member of the UK list she runs. Let's just say we've had a number of interesting emails in which we did not always see eye-to-eye. To the extent that I was booted from the list. .. .. > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:09 pm (PST) > > > > I understood. By the way, what is your anecdotal evidence, aside from > her statements? > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 11:21 AM > > I'm sure. My response was partially a self-depreciating joke aimed at > my obvious very frequent use of the " credible evidence " phrase. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 You have never known any True Believers, have you? Try going on any iodine list and post any doubt in the " faith " followed there and see what happens. .. .. > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:26 am (PST) > > > > See now, I know you are not obscene or anything like that (so far), > and I really don't like people getting booted for their opinions. Of > course, if someone attacks someone directly, rather than their > position, that's another story. However, I think that problem, most of > the time, can be discussed and corrected. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 9:14 PM > > At one time I was a member of the UK list she runs. Let's just say > we've had a number of interesting emails in which we did not always see > eye-to-eye. To the extent that I was booted from the list. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Well, I'm not so sure this place is the place for open discussion, either - I posted two posts a couple of days ago, and neither of them has yet appeared on the forum. I suspect they may be being " moderated. " Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 How better to avoid having to answer embarrassing questions if you're promoting the healing powers of very expensive hamburger? As someone there told me off-list [most didn't dare be supportive publicly] " There were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before you came along... " .. .. > > Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:25 pm (PST) > > > > Someone booted ? Wow (ggggg) > CW > > -- Re: Functioning > > > > > At one time I was a member of the UK list she runs. Let's just say > we've had a number of interesting emails in which we did not always see > eye-to-eye. To the extent that I was booted from the list. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Heh; yeah, to put it very mildly. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:40 pm (PST) > > > > Oh, I went on an iodine list. I just read posts for quite a while and > did not post myself. > I decided that this was not a place for open discussion. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 2:06 PM > > You have never known any True Believers, have you? Try going on any > iodine list and post any doubt in the " faith " followed there and see > what happens. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 ....what " expensive " hamburger " are we talking about? Who avoids answering embarrassing questions? What particular list are you referring to where " most didn't dare be supportive publicly " and who are the " there were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before who came along...? Sheila www.tpa-uk.org.uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk> > > How better to avoid having to answer embarrassing questions if you're > promoting the healing powers of very expensive hamburger? As someone > there told me off-list [most didn't dare be supportive publicly] " There > were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before you came along... " > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 OK, thanks - I'll send them in again, in that case. Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Please be aware that every message has to be approved by Ira, and there is no way for anyone to help him. As assistant moderator I cannot approve them. Given his lonely status as the sole person keeping this group going we need to be aware of that before we voice complaints. Other than spam I don't think Ira does much if any moderating as to subject without first asking for voluntary compliance. .. .. > > Posted by: " Cherwyn Ambuter " cherwyn@... > <mailto:cherwyn@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > atmosphere1823 <atmosphere1823> > > > Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:43 am (PST) > > > > Well, I'm not so sure this place is the place for open discussion, > either - > I posted two posts a couple of days ago, and neither of them has yet > appeared on the forum. I suspect they may be being " moderated. " > > Cherwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 I didn't know this forum was moderated. Sheila > > Please be aware that every message has to be approved by Ira, and there > is no way for anyone to help him. As assistant moderator I cannot > approve them. Given his lonely status as the sole person keeping this > group going we need to be aware of that before we voice complaints. > > Other than spam I don't think Ira does much if any moderating as to > subject without first asking for voluntary compliance. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 See Chuck's post. You know full well what " expensive hamburger we are talking about " . And you know full well what list you booted me from; you cannot be that dim witted. What you may not [or may] know is that at the time I informed a member of your list that the product under discussion was effectively nothing but very expensive hamburger with no medical properties beyond trace elements is that I did not know that you personally promoted the product. I also did not know that one of the guru's of the list [a doctor whose license to practice medicine had been revoked IIRC] also highly promoted the quack concoction. So while it may have appeared that I was attacking you or your guru that was not the case, as I was unaware of the promotion that either of you had done. My purpose in the response was simply to inform a member who had a question that the product was in fact worthless as medication for anything except possibly starvation. As for the " sacred cows sleeping peacefully " the implications were obvious to me; I don't really feel an obligation to try to explain it to you. As for " who came alone " that was me. But I'm gone from that pasture now, so I'm sure the sacred cows are peacefully sleeping again! [ggg] At some point I would think you would want to answer the question [if only to yourself] as to whether you really want to run a list where it is necessary to censor information contrary to the opinions of the " true believers " . .. .. > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:18 am (PST) > > > > > ...what " expensive " hamburger " are we talking about? Who avoids > answering embarrassing questions? What particular list are you referring > to where " most didn't dare be supportive publicly " and who are the > " there were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before who came > along...? > > Sheila www.tpa-uk.org. > uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk>> > > > > > > How better to avoid having to answer embarrassing questions if you're > > promoting the healing powers of very expensive hamburger? As someone > > there told me off-list [most didn't dare be supportive publicly] > " There > > were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before you came > along... " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 It is moderated; not censored. About the only way to tell that is that you don't see the hit and run spam porn and other messages that infest basically every group that is not moderated. If we get too far off topic Ira will MOL gently steer us away from divisive topics. Without him this group would be kaput. > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:34 am (PST) > > > > > I didn't know this forum was moderated. > > Sheila > > > > > > Please be aware that every message has to be approved by Ira, and > there > > is no way for anyone to help him. As assistant moderator I cannot > > approve them. Given his lonely status as the sole person keeping this > > group going we need to be aware of that before we voice complaints. > > > > Other than spam I don't think Ira does much if any moderating as to > > subject without first asking for voluntary compliance. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Well, I don't see Sheila as having such a motive; further she wouldn't see herself as a " true believer " . I think she is 100% sincere in her desire to be helpful to those on her list. That is one reason I can react to being booted from her list MOL with good humor and without any need to demonize her. She didn't see me as needing any help [well, of the kind she wanted to give anyway]; further she saw me as a threat to the well being of some of her " subjects " who she did not see as being qualified to make proper decisions if they were giving _all_ of the information and viewpoints. At the same time she does not have a spectacular education [as I do not either] or the other mental attributes that make if easier to determine fact from fiction WRT hypo health claims. If you cannot operate from a foundation of probably accurate facts then you have to act from a foundation of faith; thus my reference to " true believers " . At least some of her " advisers " are IMHO less than could be desired. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:37 pm (PST) > > > > I know this wasn't directed at me of course, but I just wanted to make > a comment. It > has been my experience that people who consider themselves " true > believers " in anything always censor other opinions because they are > so afraid of losing their exalted position with the uninformed masses > to whom they preach. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:41 PM > > See Chuck's post. You know full well what " expensive hamburger we are > talking about " . And you know full well what list you booted me from; > you cannot be that dim witted. > > What you may not [or may] know is that at the time I informed a member > of your list that the product under discussion was effectively nothing > but very expensive hamburger with no medical properties beyond trace > elements is that I did not know that you personally promoted the > product. I also did not know that one of the guru's of the list [a > doctor whose license to practice medicine had been revoked IIRC] also > highly promoted the quack concoction. So while it may have appeared > that I was attacking you or your guru that was not the case, as I was > unaware of the promotion that either of you had done. My purpose in the > response was simply to inform a member who had a question that the > product was in fact worthless as medication for anything except possibly > starvation. > > As for the " sacred cows sleeping peacefully " the implications were > obvious to me; I don't really feel an obligation to try to explain it to > you. As for " who came alone " that was me. But I'm gone from that > pasture now, so I'm sure the sacred cows are peacefully sleeping again! > [ggg] > > At some point I would think you would want to answer the question [if > only to yourself] as to whether you really want to run a list where it > is necessary to censor information contrary to the opinions of the " true > believers " . > > > . > . > > > > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk> > > <mailto:sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner%40tpa-uk.org.uk>?Subject=%20Re% > 3A%20Functioning> > > campaigner77 <campaigner77 > <campaigner77>> > > > > > > Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:18 am (PST) > > > > > > > > > > ...what " expensive " hamburger " are we talking about? Who avoids > > answering embarrassing questions? What particular list are you referring > > to where " most didn't dare be supportive publicly " and who are the > > " there were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before who came > > along...? > > > > Sheila www.tpa-uk.org. > > uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk> > <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk <http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk>>> > > > > > > > > > > How better to avoid having to answer embarrassing questions if you're > > > promoting the healing powers of very expensive hamburger? As someone > > > there told me off-list [most didn't dare be supportive publicly] > > " There > > > were a number of sacred cows sleeping peacefully before you came > > along... " > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 , With 'Nutri Thyroid', what is it that you don't understand about the following?http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=932 " Nutri Thyroid Ingredients Each tablet typically provides: Thyroid concentrate. 130mg. Parotid 1 mg. Nutri Thyroid provides thyroxin-free thyroid concentrate, boosted by parotid concentrate to help nutritiionally support the thyroid gland. Thyroid concentrate contains the amino acids required to support healthy function of the thyroid gland. " If you and Chuck feel so strongly about this particular product, and you want to protect people from taking it, I suggest you go direct to the horses mouth and tell Nutri Ltd they are selling nothing more than an " expensive hamburgher " with no medical properties beyond trace elements. Make sure you have the required " credible evidence " to back up your complaint though. I don't get paid for recommending any particular supplements if that is why you are implying. Sheila > > See Chuck's post. You know full well what " expensive hamburger we are > talking about. My purpose in the > response was simply to inform a member who had a question that the > product was in fact worthless as medication for anything except possibly > starvation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 I did/do see you as sometimes being a threat to the well being of sufferers of thyroid disease. Those coming to these forums are often desperate for help and support. You pull to pieces what anybody has to say unless it is backed with " credible evidence " , if there is anecdotal evidence only, you throw it out, you tell us we are experiencing a placebo effect, you believe the majority do well on levothyroxine only when there is " credible evidence " to show this is not the case. Your responses can, whether you realise it or not, be extremely negative and cause concerns for those members who want recommendations about the best way to go about regaining their normal health again. These members are_crying_out _help. . Who needs a " spectacular " education to tell fact from fiction? My mental attributes are extremely healthy btw. Perhaps you would be kind enough to list what hypo health claims I make that are incorrect. I am dealing with the Royal College of Physicians and the British Thyroid Association et al in the work that I do, and I have to check and double check every single word that I write to them to ensure that I have all the facts at my finger tips and cite references to the scientific evidence to every thing that is written. I NEVER act as a " foundation of faith " . This is a long learning curve, but I can assure you that I am learning something new every day and Chuck and others have taught me the value of research and why everything we write needs to be backed with the science. , you are careless in writing your last sentence on a public forum. All my medical advisers were specifically chosen for the great work that they do and for daring to work outside of mainstream hypothyroid guidelines. Dr Theodora Mantzourani is the exception, in that she found us through our web site and she wrote to me and asked what she could do to help us in our work. The otherofficial medical advisers are Dr Teitelbaum, Dr Theodore Friedman, Dr Gordon Skinner, Dr Barry Durrant-Peatfield, and, unofficially, Dr Thierry Hertoghe. Such a statement should be backed up with evidence which would stand up in a court of law. Sheila further she saw me as a threat to > the well being of some of her " subjects " who she did not see as being > qualified to make proper decisions if they were giving _all_ of the > information and viewpoints. At the same time she does not have a > spectacular education [as I do not either] or the other mental > attributes that make if easier to determine fact from fiction WRT hypo > health claims. If you cannot operate from a foundation of probably > accurate facts then you have to act from a foundation of faith; thus my > reference to " true believers " . At least some of her " advisers " are IMHO > less than could be desired. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Actually I understand it very well; that's how I know it's worthless. The utterly typical boiler plate is rather definitive. Note that nowhere do they actually claim any health or medical benefit. At the same time the verbiage is worded so that anyone not well educated or not very bright or just not paying attention might believe they're claiming health benefits. They don't. They basically depend upon ignorance or low IQ to sell the product; or in some cases upon a con artist to promote it. For example, look at the claimed ingredients: 1] thyroxin [or thyroxine]-free thyroid concentrate 130 mg. That's MOL Armour with the active ingredients removed. Just the thyroid gland of a cow with anything shown to be helpful removed. It's somewhat similar to buying a box of effective medicine and eating the box while throwing away the pills. 2] parotid concentrate 1 mg. That's a salivary gland; no medical help even suggested from that for hypos in credible literature. 3] amino acids. Also found in hamburger. I don't feel particularly strongly about it; there are thousands of others equally worthless that prey upon ignorant or not very bright people. I never suggested you were paid for promoting the product, and I have no idea whether Dr. Quack is on your list selling it. I'm sure many/most of those at Nutri Ltd know exactly what they're selling. You don't have to be dumb to sell it; just deceptive. In any event, the burden of proof is upon the claimant. And since a careful reading of their boiler plate shows they don't actually claim any benefit what would you challenge? .. .. > > > Posted by: " SheilaT " sheilaturner@... > <mailto:sheilaturner@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > campaigner77 <campaigner77> > > > Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:14 am (PST) > > > > > , > > With 'Nutri Thyroid', what is it that you don't understand about the > following?http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=932 > <http://www.yournutritionshop.co.uk/shopexd.asp?id=932> > > " Nutri Thyroid Ingredients > Each tablet typically provides: Thyroid concentrate. 130mg. Parotid 1 > mg. > Nutri Thyroid provides thyroxin-free thyroid concentrate, boosted by > parotid concentrate to help nutritiionally support the thyroid gland. > Thyroid concentrate contains the amino acids required to support healthy > function of the thyroid gland. " > > If you and Chuck feel so strongly about this particular product, and > you want to protect people from taking it, I suggest you go direct to > the horses mouth and tell Nutri Ltd they are selling nothing more than > an " expensive hamburgher " with no medical properties beyond trace > elements. Make sure you have the required " credible evidence " to back up > your complaint though. > > I don't get paid for recommending any particular supplements if that is > why you are implying. > Sheila > > > > > > See Chuck's post. You know full well what " expensive hamburger we are > > talking about. > > My purpose in the > > response was simply to inform a member who had a question that the > > product was in fact worthless as medication for anything except > possibly > > starvation. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Given the latest responses as well as how Marie and Chuck were treated gives me pause. I had always considered her at least well meaning, even though seriously misinformed. .. .. > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Functioning> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:37 pm (PST) > > > > I know this wasn't directed at me of course, but I just wanted to make > a comment. It > has been my experience that people who consider themselves " true > believers " in anything always censor other opinions because they are > so afraid of losing their exalted position with the uninformed masses > to whom they preach. > > <>Roni > Immortality exists! > It's called knowledge! > > Just because something isn't seen > doesn't mean it's not there<> > > > > From: <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> > Subject: Re: Functioning > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:41 PM > > See Chuck's post. You know full well what " expensive hamburger we are > talking about " . And you know full well what list you booted me from; > you cannot be that dim witted. > > What you may not [or may] know is that at the time I informed a member > of your list that the product under discussion was effectively nothing > but very expensive hamburger with no medical properties beyond trace > elements is that I did not know that you personally promoted the > product. I also did not know that one of the guru's of the list [a > doctor whose license to practice medicine had been revoked IIRC] also > highly promoted the quack concoction. So while it may have appeared > that I was attacking you or your guru that was not the case, as I was > unaware of the promotion that either of you had done. My purpose in the > response was simply to inform a member who had a question that the > product was in fact worthless as medication for anything except possibly > starvation. > > As for the " sacred cows sleeping peacefully " the implications were > obvious to me; I don't really feel an obligation to try to explain it to > you. As for " who came alone " that was me. But I'm gone from that > pasture now, so I'm sure the sacred cows are peacefully sleeping again! > [ggg] > > At some point I would think you would want to answer the question [if > only to yourself] as to whether you really want to run a list where it > is necessary to censor information contrary to the opinions of the " true > believers " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 > > Actually I understand it very well; that's how I know it's worthless. > The utterly typical boiler plate is rather definitive. Note that > nowhere do they actually claim any health or medical benefit. At the > same time the verbiage is worded so that anyone not well educated or not > very bright or just not paying attention might believe they're claiming > health benefits. They don't. They basically depend upon ignorance or > low IQ to sell the product; or in some cases upon a con artist to > promote it. – I personally don't think you do understand it very well – and your opinion that it is worthless, is just that - your opinion. Others who use it have found it extremely helpful. Why would the manufacturers claim any medical benefit, it's not a medicine, it's a food supplement. I personally applaud their wording which is done in such a way so everybody understands. If what you say is to be believed, there are an awful lot of people who are ignorant with a low IQ claiming benefits from its use > > For example, look at the claimed ingredients: > > 1] thyroxin [or thyroxine]-free thyroid concentrate 130 mg. That's > MOL Armour with the active ingredients removed. Just the thyroid gland > of a cow with anything shown to be helpful removed. It's somewhat > similar to buying a box of effective medicine and eating the box > while throwing away the pills. Read what it says " Thyroxine free " " Free Thyroid Concentrate 130mg " If this is not the active T3, what is it? T3 has not been removed. > > 2] parotid concentrate 1 mg. That's a salivary gland; no medical help > even suggested from that for hypos in credible literature. You need to do some research before making such a statement. Amylase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase> , from the parotid (also produced by the pancreas) looks like the extract is used as a digestive aid. Gastro intestinal problems are problematic for many with autoimmune disease(s). HLA-DR is the human leucocyte antigen that associates with Sjogren's syndrome that can dry up the parotid and other tissues. Any hypothyroid patient with more than one autoimmune disease will likely suffer drying up of fluid secretion or loss of enzyme production or both from the parotid gland (and maybe the tear ducts). If Nutri Thyroid and other natural thyroid glandulars are 'expensive hamburgher pills', perhaps hamburgers also treat gastro-intestinal problems? I will be entering into no more discussions with you about Nutri Thyroid being an " expensive hamburgher " . Sheila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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