Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I think you need to be tested for FreeT3, FreeT4, ReverseT3 and TSH(which they will do anyway). Your body could be making Reverse T3 from the T4 medication you are taking, instead of making T3. It has happened to me and others, but you have to have the testing because without testing them all together, there's no way to see what is going on. By the way, if you do go for the testing, don't take your dose of Thyroxine the day before and that morning until after the test. It's best to schedule a test about 10 am. and don't eat from the night before about 10pm. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: maryandroger <maryandroger@...> Subject: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 10:54 PM Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 Join the Natural Thyroid group & the iodine , where people are getting well. Go to naturalthyroidchoices.com & follow that protocol. Go to stopthethyroidmadness.com & read all you can. Order iodine (iodoral) which will dissappear symptoms over a period of time at breastcancerchoices.com I cured myself by taking these peoples advice and you can too, but you need to find a doctor that prescribes dessiccated thyroid from a pig, and get off the synthetic drugs which will only create more symptoms. Also, if you can afford it, order your own blood and urine hormone test from ZRT labs. You don't need a doctor to do that. Please feel free to e-mail me directly with more specific questions. Blessings, Alison On Dec 27, 2009, at 10:54 PM, maryandroger wrote: > Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and > lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired > even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too > tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my > job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that > cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and > when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt > just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year > from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 if you cured yourself of hypothyroidism, then why are you still here? Telling someone to take iodine without knowing whether they are allergic to iodine or not is irresponsible. that person could be allergic to iodine and by telling her to go take it like it was water you could KILL her. if she wants to take it then she should take a test dose in a Medical providers office to see if she is allergic. I am allergic to iodine and I had no idea that I was since I could always eat shell fish without a problem, but I had a test dose in my Natural Medicine MD's office and I coded after 5 minutes. thank god she had a crash cart in the office. As a medical provider myself, I would NEVER tell someone to just go and take iodine without knowing first if they were allergic or not and I would Never have them try it at home without being in a place where if they coded they could get medical care. your advice is going to kill some one some day. -------------------------------------------------- From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:09 AM <hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > Join the Natural Thyroid group & the iodine , where people > are > getting well. > > Go to naturalthyroidchoices.com & follow that protocol. > > Go to stopthethyroidmadness.com & read all you can. > > Order iodine (iodoral) which will dissappear symptoms over a period of > time > > at breastcancerchoices.com > > I cured myself by taking these peoples advice and you can too, > but you need to find a doctor that prescribes dessiccated thyroid from > a pig, > and get off the synthetic drugs which will only create more symptoms. > > Also, if you can afford it, order your own blood and urine hormone > test from > ZRT labs. > You don't need a doctor to do that. > Please feel free to e-mail me directly with more specific questions. > > Blessings, > Alison > On Dec 27, 2009, at 10:54 PM, maryandroger wrote: > >> Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and >> lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired >> even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too >> tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my >> job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that >> cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and >> when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt >> just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year >> from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? >> >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2009 Report Share Posted December 28, 2009 I have to agree with you Nancie. I went into anaphalactic shock after a penicillin pill, even though I had had penicillin previously. We never know when someone is going to suddenly be allergic to some substance or drug, or is already allergic and doesn't know it. Pushing something just because it works for one, doesn't mean it's good for all. We are all different. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > >> Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and >> lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired >> even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too >> tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my >> job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that >> cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and >> when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt >> just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year >> from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? >> >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hello. OMG - I read your e-mail and it absolutely 100% speaks for myself. I just had a TT in July of this year. Horrible, horrible recovery and I just went back to work after being off for 5 months in November. Talk about struggling - I can hardly think straight. I feel (please all don't take this the wrong way) " retarded. " Like my brain cells have died and I feel like I cannot deal with stress any longer whatsoever. I'm a trial secretary and I am so used to being in the hot seat every single day. I feel completely overwhelmed and wondered if there were any supplements that would help me with this. I as well feel isolated, I have no energy after working all day long, my brain is fried and on the weekends, I can hardly do anything at all. But, one thing I know is that this recovery can take so long, and I have to give myself some time. My Hashi's was horrible and really did a number on my physically and mentally. I just don't feel that I'm recovering mentally because I walked right into a stressful job and am in the flight or fight mode once again. Any suggestions for either of us would be appreciated. ________________________________ From: maryandroger <maryandroger@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 10:54:32 PM Subject: hypotiredism Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well, the symptoms you both describe to me sound like you need more thyroid medication. Either you are not taking enough T4 or your body is not converting it to T3, which, happened to me. You need to speak with a doctor who will be willing to test for Free T3, Free T4 Reverse T3 and TSH all together from the same blood draw. Then you will need to get a copy of your test results complete with your scores and the lab ranges and post them here. Then some people on this list will be able to tell you what seems to be going on. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Kitzmiller <legalsecretary2007@...> Subject: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 6:45 PM Hello. OMG - I read your e-mail and it absolutely 100% speaks for myself. I just had a TT in July of this year. Horrible, horrible recovery and I just went back to work after being off for 5 months in November. Talk about struggling - I can hardly think straight. I feel (please all don't take this the wrong way) " retarded. "  Like my brain cells have died and I feel like I cannot deal with stress any longer whatsoever. I'm a trial secretary and I am so used to being in the hot seat every single day. I feel completely overwhelmed and wondered if there were any supplements that would help me with this. I as well feel isolated, I have no energy after working all day long, my brain is fried and on the weekends, I can hardly do anything at all. But, one thing I know is that this recovery can take so long, and I have to give myself some time. My Hashi's was horrible and really did a number on my physically and mentally. I just don't feel that I'm recovering mentally because I walked right into a stressful job and am in the flight or fight mode once again. Any suggestions for either of us would be appreciated.   ________________________________ From: maryandroger <maryandroger@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 10:54:32 PM Subject: hypotiredism  Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then?    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 No go for me on increasing my Synthroid. After my surgery, I went into thyroid toxicity, and ended up with psychosis and in the emergency room. I could have jumped off a bridge. So, the dosage of 175 mcg I was on prior to surgery, that they kept me on after surgery, ended up being too high for me and I went into toxicity. ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 7:28:40 PM Subject: Re: hypotiredism Well, the symptoms you both describe to me sound like you need more thyroid medication. Either you are not taking enough T4 or your body is not converting it to T3, which, happened to me. You need to speak with a doctor who will be willing to test for Free T3, Free T4 Reverse T3 and TSH all together from the same blood draw. Then you will need to get a copy of your test results complete with your scores and the lab ranges and post them here. Then some people on this list will be able to tell you what seems to be going on. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Kitzmiller <legalsecretary2007> Subject: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 6:45 PM Hello. OMG - I read your e-mail and it absolutely 100% speaks for myself. I just had a TT in July of this year. Horrible, horrible recovery and I just went back to work after being off for 5 months in November. Talk about struggling - I can hardly think straight. I feel (please all don't take this the wrong way) " retarded. " Like my brain cells have died and I feel like I cannot deal with stress any longer whatsoever. I'm a trial secretary and I am so used to being in the hot seat every single day. I feel completely overwhelmed and wondered if there were any supplements that would help me with this. I as well feel isolated, I have no energy after working all day long, my brain is fried and on the weekends, I can hardly do anything at all. But, one thing I know is that this recovery can take so long, and I have to give myself some time. My Hashi's was horrible and really did a number on my physically and mentally. I just don't feel that I'm recovering mentally because I walked right into a stressful job and am in the flight or fight mode once again. Any suggestions for either of us would be appreciated. ____________ _________ _________ __ From: maryandroger <maryandroger> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 10:54:32 PM Subject: hypotiredism Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I don't advocate loading up on T4, but rather adding T3 and lowering T4. Some of our bodies don't do what theoretically they should do. I think doctors need to take more care in the treatment of their patients that don't match their " model " . Have you been tested for RT3? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Kitzmiller <legalsecretary2007> Subject: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 6:45 PM Hello. OMG - I read your e-mail and it absolutely 100% speaks for myself. I just had a TT in July of this year. Horrible, horrible recovery and I just went back to work after being off for 5 months in November. Talk about struggling - I can hardly think straight. I feel (please all don't take this the wrong way) " retarded. "  Like my brain cells have died and I feel like I cannot deal with stress any longer whatsoever. I'm a trial secretary and I am so used to being in the hot seat every single day. I feel completely overwhelmed and wondered if there were any supplements that would help me with this. I as well feel isolated, I have no energy after working all day long, my brain is fried and on the weekends, I can hardly do anything at all. But, one thing I know is that this recovery can take so long, and I have to give myself some time. My Hashi's was horrible and really did a number on my physically and mentally. I just don't feel that I'm recovering mentally because I walked right into a stressful job and am in the flight or fight mode once again. Any suggestions for either of us would be appreciated.   ____________ _________ _________ __ From: maryandroger <maryandroger> hypothyroidism Sent: Sun, December 27, 2009 10:54:32 PM Subject: hypotiredism  Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then?    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I can relate. I'm tired most of the time too. In fact, I slept 11 or 12 hours last night. You are most certainly not the only one that is too tired to do anything besides work. I feel isolated sometimes, because I get rather grumpy with my husband when he wants attention. I can tell that he is trying to be cute and sweet, and all I want is a nap and to be left alone sometimes. It's quite horrible. I wish I had the energy to pay more attention to him. Anyway, my suggestion to you is if you can possibly drum up enough energy, get yourself to the library and read up all you can on hypothyroidism. There are a lot of books out there that have suggestions on what you can do. It is easy to feel hopeless in our situation, but you can't give in all the time. Personally, I'm going to try a few minutes of exercise (yoga) each day and see if it helps at all. It is a struggle to drum up energy to do it, but it can't hurt. Look for things you can do on your own besides asking the doc for meds. We all can find info on what meds to ask for and what our lab results should be, but the info that really empowers me is the stuff I can do in my own home that does not require a prescription. Good Luck, and I hope you feel better! I know it is a struggle, and I'm right there with you! > > Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Roni- thanks for the support. nancie From: Roni Molin Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:04 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: hypotiredism I have to agree with you Nancie. I went into anaphalactic shock after a penicillin pill, even though I had had penicillin previously. We never know when someone is going to suddenly be allergic to some substance or drug, or is already allergic and doesn't know it. Pushing something just because it works for one, doesn't mean it's good for all. We are all different. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > >> Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and >> lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired >> even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am too >> tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my >> job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there that >> cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and >> when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt >> just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year >> from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? >> >> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 You guys are extremely uninformed. There are different types of iodine. Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. People are getting well on a product called iodoral. I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms continue to dissappear. Do your own research. There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, healing and powerful alternative medicine. Ali On Dec 29, 2009, at 11:36 AM, nancie barnett wrote: > Roni- > thanks for the support. > nancie > > From: Roni Molin > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:04 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > I have to agree with you Nancie. I went into anaphalactic shock > after a penicillin pill, even though I had had penicillin > previously. We never know when someone is going to suddenly be > allergic to some substance or drug, or is already allergic and > doesn't know it. Pushing something just because it works for one, > doesn't mean it's good for all. We are all different. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > > >> Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and > >> lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired > >> even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am > too > >> tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my > >> job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there > that > >> cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and > >> when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt > >> just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year > >> from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Alison- it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical attention. -------------------------------------------------- From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM <hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > You guys are extremely uninformed. > There are different types of iodine. > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > continue to dissappear. > > Do your own research. > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > healing and powerful alternative medicine. > > Ali > On Dec 29, 2009, at 11:36 AM, nancie barnett wrote: > >> Roni- >> thanks for the support. >> nancie >> >> From: Roni Molin >> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 3:04 PM >> hypothyroidism >> Subject: Re: hypotiredism >> >> I have to agree with you Nancie. I went into anaphalactic shock >> after a penicillin pill, even though I had had penicillin >> previously. We never know when someone is going to suddenly be >> allergic to some substance or drug, or is already allergic and >> doesn't know it. Pushing something just because it works for one, >> doesn't mean it's good for all. We are all different. >> >> Roni >> <>Just because something >> isn't seen doesn't mean it's >> not there<> >> >> >> > >> >> Hi, guys Im a new girl. I have hypothyroidism, sjogrens, FM, and >> >> lupus. I never recovered from my thyroid dying. I am still so tired >> >> even though I have been on Levothyroxin for five years now. I am >> too >> >> tired to do anything after work. It is all I can do to hold down my >> >> job. Can anyone give me any advice? Am I the only one out there >> that >> >> cant cope with this? I need to know that I am not just lazy, and >> >> when I am too tired to talk or walk across the room that it isnt >> >> just me. I feel so isolated all the time. How will I live a year >> >> from now? Will I even have the energy to live until then? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 While iodine can certainly cause a lot of trouble for some people, I think you should be able to tell something about your tolerance by your experience with iodized salt, and other foods containing iodine. I felt a lot better after adding increasing amounts of kelp and bladderwrack to my diet(weighed, to figure out iodine content), so I have replaced that with some iodine drops (Lugol's 2%) and am happy with that. There is no way I would have just jumped to higher doses of iodine without doing that, but coastal peoples often get the 12.5 mg in an Iodorol tablet in their daily diets, so that does not seem unreasonable to me, if you have no problem with it. Beth in MN > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 no you can't I used salt in my past and I ate shellfish which has iodine in them and I still had no idea that I was allergic to pure iodine. Plus, I have lived by the sea throughout my life so far and was exposed to kelp, seaweed, etc. and yet I had an anaphylactic reaction that would have killed if they didn't have a crash cart in the office. chuck can explain it better than me. I know it has to do with the molecular structure of the compounds. From: Beth MN Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:48 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: hypotiredism While iodine can certainly cause a lot of trouble for some people, I think you should be able to tell something about your tolerance by your experience with iodized salt, and other foods containing iodine. I felt a lot better after adding increasing amounts of kelp and bladderwrack to my diet(weighed, to figure out iodine content), so I have replaced that with some iodine drops (Lugol's 2%) and am happy with that. There is no way I would have just jumped to higher doses of iodine without doing that, but coastal peoples often get the 12.5 mg in an Iodorol tablet in their daily diets, so that does not seem unreasonable to me, if you have no problem with it. Beth in MN > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I know how that feels. I had an anaphalactic shock response to a penicillin pill. Huge needle into the heart - no fun. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> Subject: Re: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 6:12 PM no you can't I used salt in my past and I ate shellfish which has iodine in them and I still had no idea that I was allergic to pure iodine. Plus, I have lived by the sea throughout my life so far and was exposed to kelp, seaweed, etc. and yet I had an anaphylactic reaction that would have killed if they didn't have a crash cart in the office. chuck can explain it better than me. I know it has to do with the molecular structure of the compounds. From: Beth MN Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:48 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: hypotiredism  While iodine can certainly cause a lot of trouble for some people, I think you should be able to tell something about your tolerance by your experience with iodized salt, and other foods containing iodine. I felt a lot better after adding increasing amounts of kelp and bladderwrack to my diet(weighed, to figure out iodine content), so I have replaced that with some iodine drops (Lugol's 2%) and am happy with that. There is no way I would have just jumped to higher doses of iodine without doing that, but coastal peoples often get the 12.5 mg in an Iodorol tablet in their daily diets, so that does not seem unreasonable to me, if you have no problem with it. Beth in MN > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 That's one viewpoint and you are certainly entitled to it. Here's another: Read whatever you want written by Dr. Brownstein but be very careful in following any of it; some of it might harm or kill you. Be aware that nothing Brownstein has ever written has been subjected to any kind of credible peer reviewed process. Be aware that what he writes is considered pure quackery by credible scientists. .. .. > > Posted by: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " rubyrain11@... > <mailto:rubyrain11@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20hypotiredism> gypsy1jig > <gypsy1jig> > > > Wed Dec 30, 2009 2:18 pm (PST) > > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > There are different types of iodine. > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > continue to dissappear. > > Do your own research. > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > healing and powerful alternative medicine. > > Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I am not sure WHERE in Alison's post that she told anybody to take iodine??????? She was providing both information and her experience. Nancie, I think your post is slightly out of order frankly. Please could people TRIM their posts ...thank you. > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > > There are different types of iodine. > > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > > continue to dissappear. > > > > Do your own research. > > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > > healing and powerful alternative medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Well, that's the point. You're following a healthy process containing a good dose of skepticism concerning health claims that could be harmful or fatal. So many of those who follow Brownstein recommend starting with 50 or 100 mg [50,000 to 100,000 mcg] per day while the RDA is only 150 mcg/day. Nancie had a major problem [as some people do]; I think it was anaphylatic shock but I'm not sure. Fortunately for her she had enough sense and education to take it in her doctor's office and when she coded she received immediate help. Otherwise she might well have died. It's those who get on this and other lists and blindly assert, " You people are misinformed " and ignore results like Nancie's [who, incidentally is a medical professional] who creep me out. I'm afraid that somewhere and sometime someone may blindly follow such advice and die as a result, so I always try to post a more cautious viewpoint when mega-doses of iodine are recommended [prescribed] here. BTW, if you ever happen to be on some of the " iodine lists " be very cautious in making any statements like your first phrase of your message. You might find yourself under virulent attack by those whose religion you have offended... Specifically the faithful followers of the iodine docs. What they lack in education and IQ they make up with certainty that they are absolutely right and everyone else is wrong. Note: This sentence applies ONLY to those who attack those with differing opinions; NOT those who happen to hold differing opinions. And another BTW: There was a well known study of the iodine intake of certain coastal people [Japanese, I think] that is still quoted, and it shows a very high intake of iodine with no harm. However that study was found to be wrong due to a misunderstanding about the units used. The people in the study were getting only 1/10th as much iodine as indicated because the researches thought the weights of the kelp was dry weight while actually it was wet weight. And by weight wet kelp only has one-tenth the iodine of dry kelp. Although it is well known that the results of the earlier study are off by a factor of 10 you still find the results quoted. I don't know if that's where your info comes from or not but I suspect it is because I seem to remember the specific mention of the consumption of 12.5 mg/day in the flawed study. Chuck has the info on that study if you're interested. In any event the RDA is 150 mcg/day, not the 50,000 or 100,000 prescribed by Brownstein [whose published " research " is considered laughable by credible researchers]. Further, that high recommendation makes no sense at all, because AFAIK there's never been a place or time on any part of the Earth during its entire history where the natural diet of humans would have anywhere near 50,000 mcg/day. In controlled studies harmful side effects show up in many people at far lower doses [not counting the small percentage who might immediately die]. On the iodine lists many of the harmful side effects are simply dismissed as " bromide detox " or some other concocted bs explanation with no credible backing. Best of luck, .. .. > Posted by: " Beth MN " mbdawso@... > <mailto:mbdawso@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20hypotiredism> > marybethmn <marybethmn> > > > Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:48 pm (PST) > > > > While iodine can certainly cause a lot of trouble for some people, I > think you should be able to tell something about your tolerance by > your experience with iodized salt, and other foods containing iodine. > I felt a lot better after adding increasing amounts of kelp and > bladderwrack to my diet(weighed, to figure out iodine content), so I > have replaced that with some iodine drops (Lugol's 2%) and am happy > with that. There is no way I would have just jumped to higher doses of > iodine without doing that, but coastal peoples often get the 12.5 mg > in an Iodorol tablet in their daily diets, so that does not seem > unreasonable to me, if you have no problem with it. > > Beth in MN > > > > > > Alison- > > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice > to tell > > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or > Iodoral, > > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to > or not! > > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play > Russian > > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least > tell them > > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > > attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Tish- you need to read her original post. I stand by my statements. It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... From: Trish Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:25 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: hypotiredism I am not sure WHERE in Alison's post that she told anybody to take iodine??????? She was providing both information and her experience. Nancie, I think your post is slightly out of order frankly. Please could people TRIM their posts ...thank you. > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > > There are different types of iodine. > > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > > continue to dissappear. > > > > Do your own research. > > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > > healing and powerful alternative medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I can only speak for myself. I agree with the things that I have found to be so and disagree with the things that I have found not to be so. It really has nothing to do with who is stating what. I hope that explains it. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> Subject: Re: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 9:53 PM Tish- you need to read her original post. I stand by my statements. It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... From: Trish Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:25 AM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: hypotiredism  I am not sure WHERE in Alison's post that she told anybody to take iodine??????? She was providing both information and her experience. Nancie, I think your post is slightly out of order frankly. Please could people TRIM their posts ...thank you. > > Alison- > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice to tell > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or Iodoral, > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to or not! > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play Russian > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least tell them > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > attention. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM > <hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > > There are different types of iodine. > > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > > continue to dissappear. > > > > Do your own research. > > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > > healing and powerful alternative medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 > It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... If you, , Roni and the rest of the world AGREED that the world was flat, it would not make it true?!!!! Thank you for trimming and Happy New Year to everyone Tish > > Tish- > you need to read her original post. I stand by my statements. > It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... > > > From: Trish > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:25 AM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: hypotiredism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 (this post has been trimmed) > BTW, if you ever happen to be on some of the " iodine lists " be very > cautious in making any statements like your first phrase of your > message. You might find yourself under virulent attack by those whose > religion you have offended... Specifically the faithful followers of the > iodine docs. What they lack in education and IQ they make up with > certainty that they are absolutely right and everyone else is wrong. > Note: This sentence applies ONLY to those who attack those with > differing opinions; NOT those who happen to hold differing opinions. > > > Best of luck, > > . > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 " Read all you can by Brownstein " is a tip-off to anyone familiar with Brownstein or with the use of mega-doses of iodine in general. He/they recommend starting with 50,000 to 100,000 mcg/day of iodine. Some people might die from such a dose, as Nancie almost did. To me the " out of order " facet is the recommendation of someone whose procedures could result in harm, or in a very tiny number of cases in death. I suspect Nancie would not be comforted by the fact the number is small when she sees how easily she could have died from such advice. Besides, Nancie is a medical provider; and one who strongly considers alternative practices. For someone to recommend a quack site over her well considered advice [not to mention her personal experience] can't be personally rewarding. .. .. > > Posted by: " Trish " fielddot@... > <mailto:fielddot@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20hypotiredism> > trishruk <trishruk> > > > Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:26 am (PST) > > > > > > I am not sure WHERE in Alison's post that she told anybody to take > iodine?????? > ? She was providing both information and her experience. > > Nancie, I think your post is slightly out of order frankly. > > Please could people TRIM their posts ...thank you. > > > > > > Alison- > > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice > to tell > > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or > Iodoral, > > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to > or not! > > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play > Russian > > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least > tell them > > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > > attention. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@...> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM > > <hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>> > > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > > > There are different types of iodine. > > > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > > > > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > > > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > > > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > > > continue to dissappear. > > > > > > Do your own research. > > > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > > > healing and powerful alternative medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 I really would like to know what you are talking about. Are you objecting to someone agreeing with you or are you objecting to someone not agreeing with you. Please explain. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: Trish <fielddot@...> Subject: Re: hypotiredism hypothyroidism Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 4:33 AM > It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... If you, , Roni and the rest of the world AGREED that the world was flat, it would not make it true?!!!! Thank you for trimming and Happy New Year to everyone Tish > > Tish- > you need to read her original post. I stand by my statements. > It is interesting that and roni seem to agree with me, I wonder why....... > > > From: Trish > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 3:25 AM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: hypotiredism ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 If whoever needs an extra data point, here I am. I read online those misleading information about the Japanese eating lots of kelp/seaweed and some posts in another group that promote the benefits of iodine without citing any side effects. All I did was eating extra kelp. I didn't even take any iodine pills. I had numbness of hands, arms, legs; constipation; irregular heartbeats & chest pain (one night extremely slow heartbeat that woke me up). Now my hormone is out of whack. I became hypothyroid first from a healthy person, and then pre-diabetic. I was in emergency room on the weekend of Christmas due to chest pain resulting from hypertension. Last night my glucose was so out of control that I suffered from hypertension all night. I didn't even have any medication to control hypertension cause my blood pressure was normal before I started the kelp intake. I am now living on aspirin until I can see a doctor soon (it really sucks to be sick in the holiday season because many doctors are on vacation). I can't agree with Nancie more. Once thyroid is disturbed or destroyed, you can easily develop other metabolism disease such as diabetes and it will become a never ending nightmare. Ever since I started iodine, I haven't stopped suffering. Ruby > > > > > > Alison- > > > it is incredible to me that you don't get the gravity of you advice > > to tell > > > potentially uninformed people to take a substance like iodine or > > Iodoral, > > > which is iodine BTW; without knowing if that person is allergic to > > or not! > > > that is like giving a person a loaded gun and then tell them to play > > Russian > > > roulette at home. Your advice could KILL someone someday! at least > > tell them > > > try it at their provider's office so if the code they can get medical > > > attention. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > From: " Alison Trotta-Marshall " <rubyrain11@> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:17 PM > > > <hypothyroidism > > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>> > > > Subject: Re: hypotiredism > > > > > > > You guys are extremely uninformed. > > > > There are different types of iodine. > > > > Read all you can by Dr Brownstein. > > > > > > > > People are getting well on a product called iodoral. > > > > I have labs that proved I was bromide toxic & iodine deficient. > > > > And labs that have improved as I have taked iodoral while symptoms > > > > continue to dissappear. > > > > > > > > Do your own research. > > > > There is a " quack " website out there for every type of good, > > > > healing and powerful alternative medicine. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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