Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Here is an alternative to colonics. First of all, I think that cleaning the colon is very important and that stuff can adhere to the colon walls for years. But protease enzymes can get in there and do a good cleanup, combined with other programs. Try the 10 Day Colon Cleanse, from Aerobic Life Industries, inc , 800-798-0707, and combine that with protease enzymes from Transformation Enzymes, http://www.transformationenzymes.com/ or Somazyme from Life Plus. H. A few weeks back, several people recommended colonics for cognitive problems. I have often considered doing colonic therapy, but I have read some negative things about colonics. The CDC site (not that I trust them at all, but. . . ) says that colonics can cause digestive problems, and I read elsewhere that they can cause toxins to recirculate in the body (one practitioner claimed that these toxins can affect the brain and heart), and that it can take a very large amount of time for positive intestinal bacteria to be regenerated. I have also heard many good things, so I am conflicted. Since I have often suffered from CFIDS-related constipation, cleansing the colon sounds like a good idea. Does anyone know if the CFIDS doctors have anything to say about this? Peggy Visit the website for Stricken: Voices from the Hidden Epidemic of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome at www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk and read the latest review at chronicfatigue.about.com This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Thanks , That is certainly a ringing endorsement. I do know I will feel better, I just don't like getting them so I am dragging my feet on setting up appointments. I did a series maybe a year or so ago, before I got on thyroid meds and iodine. I would like to feel better more often. Right now, if I spend a few hours doing yard work I spend the next day or two recovering. I am thinking I should back to doing more juicing now too. I really thought I would start to feel a lot better once I got on meds but it is not so, I have good days and then not so good days. Between the thyroid meds and the iodine I think I may be detoxing fluoride, etc, and I am hoping that may help. Time for spring cleaning! On Apr 15, 2006, at 6:47 PM, lindalevasseur1@... wrote: > ... Just wanted to let you know that prior to my breast > cancer diagnosis (Dec 05), I was not feeling well and had gained > unwanted weight. I decided to do a strict cleansing diet with > several colonics over the spring and summer. I felt much, much > better and lost the unwanted pounds. > > From all the research I've done, I was very constipated also and > most of what I was eating was not good for me. I was re-absorbing > everything again thru my intestines. Estrogen levels were to high. > > Yes, I definately vouch for colonics. Actually, I am thinking > about getting it done again. > > Levasseur > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Cassidy <christinecassidy@...> > Hi Anne, > > I know the skin is a major organ of elimination and I will start > the skin brushing, I haven't done that in quite a while - excellent > idea. I have been using a loofah but it really doesn't get the same > results. > > My husband and my homeopath are encouraging me to get a colonic > series to help ease up the detox symptoms and maybe increase my > energy levels. Any thoughts on that? Has anyone had good results > adding colonics? I am seeing my homeopath next week, she has some > ideas for me. > > I do use epsom salts baths regularly, but have not trying the > baking soda - will try that. > I am very careful about putting chemicals on my skin, I use an all > natural ingredient lotion or sesame oil or coconut oil. > > Minerals sound like a good idea to look into also. > > Thank you so much for your suggestions, I will definitely > incorporate these into my regular program. > > Scratch, scratch, itch, itch, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 , I finally invested in a colema board and pail for my home, because I learned that any dietary/supplement adjustment that was going to cleanse my body was going to stress it, and that cleaning the bowels was the easiest way to get that sludge out of my system. Juicing is wonderful, but it will SPEED UP THE DETOX. That means that you'll feel a lot worse as your body tries to get rid of MORE toxins. Colonics or enamas are a way of making this detox process gentler on yourself. Liz >Right now, if I spend a few hours doing yard work I > spend the next day or two recovering. I am thinking I should back to > doing more juicing now too. > I really thought I would start to feel a lot better once I got on > meds but it is not so, I have good days and then not so good days. > Between the thyroid meds and the iodine I think I may be detoxing > fluoride, etc, and I am hoping that may help. > > Time for spring cleaning! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 How do you find places to set up appointments? On Apr 15, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Cassidy wrote: > setting up appointments. Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Where do you get one? On Apr 16, 2006, at 5:36 PM, liztuttle wrote: > I finally invested in a colema board and pail for my home Parashis artpages@... zine: artpagesonline.com portfolio: http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 I had a set of 3 once after I had a bad bout of intestinal something or other. I was concerned about the supposed sterilization method used for the equipment vis a vis HIV infection from someone else and so never had another. I don't think colonics are well regulated. Anyone else with this concern? Ann On 18-Apr-06, at 8:07 AM, Parashis wrote: > Where do you get one? > > On Apr 16, 2006, at 5:36 PM, liztuttle wrote: > >> I finally invested in a colema board and pail for my home > Parashis > artpages@... > zine: > artpagesonline.com > > portfolio: > http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 I think the regulation probably varies from state to state. You could call your state licensing board, whoever handles massage licensing would probably know. Many colon therapists use disposable proctoscopes now, just ask when you call up, interview them a little before you make an appointment so you are satisfied and comfortable about the sanitation. On Apr 26, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Ann wrote: > I had a set of 3 once after I had a bad bout of intestinal something > or other. I was concerned about the supposed sterilization method > used for the equipment vis a vis HIV infection from someone else and > so never had another. I don't think colonics are well regulated. > Anyone else with this concern? Ann > On 18-Apr-06, at 8:07 AM, Parashis wrote: > > Where do you get one? > > > > On Apr 16, 2006, at 5:36 PM, liztuttle wrote: > >> I finally invested in a colema board and pail for my home > > Parashis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 You are correct! Sterilization can be a serious problem. Hoses and speculums should be only of the disposable type. A friend went to a local clinic and refused treatment when he saw the lack of sanitation in the treatment room. My home unit uses nylon nozzles which can be boiled but not auto-claved. Boiling may not be high enough in temperature to kill spores. I purchased an ozone cleaner which does not use heat but sterilizes with ozone. Ozone kills everything. http://cgi.ebay.com/SANITISER-PERSONAL-OZONE-Anti-bacterial_W0QQitemZ5670223528QQcategoryZ11839QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The flush water must be sterilized also as chlorination does not always kill the spores of cryptosporidium And giardia. Photo sterilization with UV-C light should be applied to the water supply or you should use only distilled water. Using the public water supply for any internal bathing can be hazardous. http://cgi.ebay.com/Water-Purifier-Ultraviolet_W0QQitemZ4454907519QQcategoryZ20684QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Look in the telephone directory for hydrotherapists or colon hydrotherapists. Learn how it is done by the professionals before you attempt home colonic treatments as most people often do not achieve good results due to a lack of knowledge. Be careful with water temp as you don't have nerve endings in the intestine that detect heat. Ozonating the water is very useful in eliminating many infections in the liver. I personally got rid of an HPV infection doing ozonated colonics. I suspect that hepatitis would respond to this treatment. A doctor in Italy injected ozone into the Portal vein and cleared up type 2 herpes. Ozonated colonics would have a similar effect and can be done without professional intervention. Saturated colonics water cannot absorb enough ozone to be detrimental to the mucosal linings but total exposure times must be carefully calculated. Don't attempt doing this until you understand the dangers of performing this method of treatment, it is not entirely safe. -- Re: Re: Colonics I had a set of 3 once after I had a bad bout of intestinal something or other. I was concerned about the supposed sterilization method used for the equipment vis a vis HIV infection from someone else and so never had another. I don't think colonics are well regulated. Anyone else with this concern? Ann On 18-Apr-06, at 8:07 AM, Parashis wrote: > Where do you get one? > > On Apr 16, 2006, at 5:36 PM, liztuttle wrote: > >> I finally invested in a colema board and pail for my home > Parashis > artpages@... > zine: > artpagesonline.com > > portfolio: > http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 LOL, Just make sure you have a phone handy (land line preferred) whey you start those colonics. Now that is one customer support call I would not want to take.. --Kurt Colonics I'm thinking about getting the colonet junior (home system). But am asking the company if I can talk to a few customers first. I have a psychological block against the whole thing lol. But then again the first time I tried the hyperbaric chamber I now have, I was so scared, that I insisted the secretary get in with me. She talked me through it. I thought I would have a claustrophobia attack and did not. The second time she got in with me too. Then I got one forhome, and the first time I used it, I was so nervous, I forgot which way to turn the knob to depressurize it. I had taken my cellphone in (which I normally don't, as I don't want electronics in a chamber, even an air-pressurized chamber) and called them hysterical telling them I was stuck and could not get out. All of this is meant to be an amusing anecdote. I can imagine the same with home colonics until I get used to them. Now I get in my chamber and it's like getting into a nice comfy bed--ie relaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Here in Santa Cruz colonics are only about 75 bucks. I spoke with a clinic that does them and told them I could barely handle enemas and coffee ones are out of the question as my heart is so erratic. I was told that the more uncomfortable th e enema or colonic the more toxins are there by the naturopath doc that owned the clinic. Kurt R <kurt@...> wrote: LOL, Just make sure you have a phone handy (land line preferred) whey you start those colonics. Now that is one customer support call I would not want to take.. --Kurt Colonics I'm thinking about getting the colonet junior (home system). But am asking the company if I can talk to a few customers first. I have a psychological block against the whole thing lol. But then again the first time I tried the hyperbaric chamber I now have, I was so scared, that I insisted the secretary get in with me. She talked me through it. I thought I would have a claustrophobia attack and did not. The second time she got in with me too. Then I got one forhome, and the first time I used it, I was so nervous, I forgot which way to turn the knob to depressurize it. I had taken my cellphone in (which I normally don't, as I don't want electronics in a chamber, even an air-pressurized chamber) and called them hysterical telling them I was stuck and could not get out. All of this is meant to be an amusing anecdote. I can imagine the same with home colonics until I get used to them. Now I get in my chamber and it's like getting into a nice comfy bed--ie relaxing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Edy>> Here in Santa Cruz colonics are only about 75 bucks. I spoke with a clinic that does them and told them I could barely handle enemas and coffee ones are out of the question as my heart is so erratic. I was told that the more uncomfortable th e enema or colonic the more toxins are there by the naturopath doc that owned the clinic. ** I believe that is an overly simplistic idea. There are all types of issues that could be involved in not handling enemas. A low GSH status, for example, maybe a leaky gut situation, perhaps some type of infection in the colon, or an oversensitivity due to neurotoxins. Maybe even a thermal regulation problem or adrenal issue could be involved. I think an enema is quite invasive and a person must be able to tolerate a certain level of stress to manage one. How do you tolerate natural irrigation such as a Vitamin C flush, or an herbal cleanse (such as 'Ultimate Cleanse') or a magnesium cleanse (Homozone or other products)? Those release plenty of toxins, but they can alter other physical parameters that an enema will not address and they are much gentler on the body. If you tolerate those, then the issue is probably not 'just toxins', IMHO. Also, if you have erratic heart response, I would keep some good heart supplements handy during any cleansing (probably you already do this). --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Kurt I agree with this..... a more prudent approach than colonics or enemas. And, for heart support.... think Magnesium+B6, hawthorne berry tea, l-taurine, motherwort tincture. mjh " The Basil Book " _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/) How do you tolerate natural irrigation such as a Vitamin C flush, or an herbal cleanse (such as 'Ultimate Cleanse') or a magnesium cleanse (Homozone or other products)? Those release plenty of toxins, but they can alter other physical parameters that an enema will not address and they are much gentler on the body. If you tolerate those, then the issue is probably not 'just toxins', IMHO. Also, if you have erratic heart response, I would keep some good heart supplements handy during any cleansing (probably you already do this). --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Thats another reason I'd like my own home machine. Maybe I don't want a whole colonic at once. I might start slow and get used to the process. I imagine the body has a sympathetic nervous system response as it is not expecting water coming into it that way. > > Edy>> Here in Santa Cruz colonics are only about 75 bucks. I spoke with > a clinic that does them and told them I could barely handle enemas and > coffee ones are out of the question as my heart is so erratic. I was > told that the more uncomfortable th e enema or colonic the more toxins > are there by the naturopath doc that owned the clinic. > > > > ** I believe that is an overly simplistic idea. There are all types of > issues that could be involved in not handling enemas. A low GSH status, > for example, maybe a leaky gut situation, perhaps some type of infection > in the colon, or an oversensitivity due to neurotoxins. Maybe even a > thermal regulation problem or adrenal issue could be involved. I think > an enema is quite invasive and a person must be able to tolerate a > certain level of stress to manage one. > > How do you tolerate natural irrigation such as a Vitamin C flush, or an > herbal cleanse (such as 'Ultimate Cleanse') or a magnesium cleanse > (Homozone or other products)? Those release plenty of toxins, but they > can alter other physical parameters that an enema will not address and > they are much gentler on the body. If you tolerate those, then the > issue is probably not 'just toxins', IMHO. > > Also, if you have erratic heart response, I would keep some good heart > supplements handy during any cleansing (probably you already do this). > > --Kurt > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 Also, for a heart 'emergency', keep some Cayenne Pepper handy, my favorite is CapsiCool by Nature's Way. Supposedly this supplement can pull a person through almost any heart crisis, as it opens the venous supply channels and also nourishes the heart muscle. Another very good heart supplement that contains aminos and CoQ10 for the heart is Rhythm Right by Carlson's. --Kurt Re: Colonics Kurt I agree with this..... a more prudent approach than colonics or enemas. And, for heart support.... think Magnesium+B6, hawthorne berry tea, l-taurine, motherwort tincture. mjh " The Basil Book " _http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_> us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/> us/FireBasil/) How do you tolerate natural irrigation such as a Vitamin C flush, or an herbal cleanse (such as 'Ultimate Cleanse') or a magnesium cleanse (Homozone or other products)? Those release plenty of toxins, but they can alter other physical parameters that an enema will not address and they are much gentler on the body. If you tolerate those, then the issue is probably not 'just toxins', IMHO. Also, if you have erratic heart response, I would keep some good heart supplements handy during any cleansing (probably you already do this). --Kurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Dear Bee, Is it safe to use professional colonics? If I ask the clinic to put coffee in the solution, will it be safe? I want a coffee enema at the same time. By the way, when we do coffee enemas or colonics, is it possible for toxins to get into the bloodstream that we can't handle? Thank you, Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Colonics have never been recommended as anything useful in evidence based science. It's only good to prepare for a colonoscopy or perhaps to have the colon removed surgically. Against mites??? Try covering your whole body with an herbal oil or repellent. That's the only thing I did and am no longer bothered. I found just about any herbal repellent repels mites. They will eventually go away if you are no longer tasty to them. > > Has anyone had success with getting colonics to help with reducing the attraction of the mites. I had a series of 4 last Dec. And now in the process of having them again now-i've had 3 so far. I haven't noticed a big improvement yet so I'm wondering if someone else has been successful with these-also what were you doing as far as diet and supplements? Thanks! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Colonics may not be science based, but in my experience colonics helped immensely post cancer. I had had lots of body pain from fibro that mysteriously went away during the time that I was getting colonics, which were too expensive. I have never felt as good as I did then. I don't know what colonics would do for Morgellons, however. Dr. Staninger's protocol calls for colon cleansing and that is not science based either, but seriously helpful. I tend to believe that with Morgellons the entities are attracted to us by way of some conditions going on in the body; to cleanse it is going to help in the long run. Re: Colonics Colonics have never been recommended as anything useful in evidence based science. It's only good to prepare for a colonoscopy or perhaps to have the colon removed surgically. Against mites??? Try covering your whole body with an herbal oil or repellent. That's the only thing I did and am no longer bothered. I found just about any herbal repellent repels mites. They will eventually go away if you are no longer tasty to them.>> Has anyone had success with getting colonics to help with reducing the attraction of the mites. I had a series of 4 last Dec. And now in the process of having them again now-i've had 3 so far. I haven't noticed a big improvement yet so I'm wondering if someone else has been successful with these-also what were you doing as far as diet and supplements? Thanks!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I'd have to agree that anything that cleanse the colon s only going to be helpful.Western medicine often forgets that elimination through pure diet,fasting,colon cleansing and colonics are eliminative medicine...elimination through bowel cleansing ,diet,saunas are essential to decrease toxins in the body...there are 2 aspects to healing 1 is assimilation(eating healthy food,deep breathing,drinking pure fluids)...often I feel the eliminative process is not stressed enough...partially because it requires discipline and life style change.. oursociety is not geared to bodily purification as a form healing...........Personally I am not too fond of all those purifying disciplines myself ,they are difficulty emotionally and physically....but necessary to prevent the darn toxins from destroying us..I cheat alot and eat purifying food(lemons,greens,raw food,teas,cilantro,garlic,onions)I believe in juice fasting,green drinks,root vegie broths with garlic....but generally if you mention juice fasting I have an aversion to the discipline and purification involved. i know people who have cured themselves with such practices from cancers....of all types of severity but I am basically a woos...From: "Goldstein@..." <Goldstein@...>bird mites Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 5:44:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: Colonics Colonics may not be science based, but in my experience colonics helped immensely post cancer. I had had lots of body pain from fibro that mysteriously went away during the time that I was getting colonics, which were too expensive. I have never felt as good as I did then. I don't know what colonics would do for Morgellons, however. Dr. Staninger's protocol calls for colon cleansing and that is not science based either, but seriously helpful. I tend to believe that with Morgellons the entities are attracted to us by way of some conditions going on in the body; to cleanse it is going to help in the long run. Re: Colonics Colonics have never been recommended as anything useful in evidence based science. It's only good to prepare for a colonoscopy or perhaps to have the colon removed surgically. Against mites??? Try covering your whole body with an herbal oil or repellent. That's the only thing I did and am no longer bothered. I found just about any herbal repellent repels mites. They will eventually go away if you are no longer tasty to them.>> Has anyone had success with getting colonics to help with reducing the attraction of the mites. I had a series of 4 last Dec. And now in the process of having them again now-i've had 3 so far. I haven't noticed a big improvement yet so I'm wondering if someone else has been successful with these-also what were you doing as far as diet and supplements? Thanks!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 How long were you infested with biting mites and how long did it take to go away with herbal oil or repellant? What herbal oil or repellent did you use? If you found a long-term cure for attraction to mites, please let the admin of this site know and he will post your story under the files so that others with bird mite will have this info in the future. You are the only person I've heard of with bird mites who was able to solve it it easily and completely... so please so post your suggestions and your history with this problem. Thanks for the info, z3 > > > > Has anyone had success with getting colonics to help with reducing the attraction of the mites. I had a series of 4 last Dec. And now in the process of having them again now-i've had 3 so far. I haven't noticed a big improvement yet so I'm wondering if someone else has been successful with these-also what were you doing as far as diet and supplements? Thanks! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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