Intro and some questions

[Guest guest]

Greetings Bee and everyone,

I'll try to be as concise as possible here.

I've been struggling with fatigue, memory loss (I can't remember nouns for the

life of me) and brain fog for 2 or 3 years. I'm a 48 year old mom to two young

boys, ages 4 and 8. Diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue,

low DHEA, gluten and dairy intolerance, perimenopause, and the latest, Lyme. I

also, in testing, show evidence of high systemic mold.

My doc suggested I go on a candida diet, after hearing that on top of the above

list I experience mild, general abdominal tenderness.

I've been following Weston Price eating guidelines for the most part for a

couple of years already.

I've been following the candida diet for a couple of weeks now (without the

recommended supplements) without really having read all the material carefully,

and so jumped in a little faster than you recommend, Bee. The only things I'm

still eating that aren't on the end goal list are nuts and coconut meat. I'm up

to 3 tablespoons of coconut oil a day, since I was already taking 1 to 1 1/2 T

before I started on the diet. And I take 3ml of fermented cod liver oil, have

for about 6 months now. About 2 grams of C a day. Some methylated B vitamins, as

some testing showed that I don't absorb any of my Bs. Planning to make some

sauerkraut soon, as all the types I have in my fridge right now have fruit mixed

in with them. Looking very sadly at the gallon of beet kvass I can't drink.

I experienced headache the first full day on the diet, some wandering joint pain

for about three days, and a couple of mornings I felt like a truck ran over me.

I've been taking epsom salt baths daily since the truck ran over me, and it

seems to have taken a different road since then ; ) And within a couple or three

hours of the most intense episodes, I've felt better than before. My energy in

the last week has been much more even, I've been able to get out of bed without

a struggle (a miracle!), and I'm much less grumpy with my kids. Which they like

a lot.

So, thanks for reading my story, and on to a few questions -

1. Should I back off to the early stages of the diet that you describe, add in a

few foods that I've already taken out? The last few days I've felt quite good.

2. I've calculated on the FitDay site what my ratios of nutrients are, and the

fats and protein are exactly in the ranges they should be. Carbs are about 15 -

20 grams too high. Which means that my fat intake accounts for 79% of my

calories. Is this right? I'd always read that 65% was a goal to aim for. Does

this change this dramatically with the needs of the candida diet?

3. In the list of `no' foods you list all canned foods. But I've seen some

recipes in the meal suggestions for tuna salad, and I often eat canned wild

salmon and sardines. Is the canned fish okay?

4. I have tested as `reactive' to 22 foods. The test was from Immuno Labs.

Included in this list is eggs, dairy, olives, beef, onion, baker's yeast and

brewer's yeast, and cane sugar. When I've avoided the foods on this list, and

then challenged the elimination, I definitely have gastric reactions. Should I

avoid all these foods now? Or is it likely that the diet regimen will take care

of these sensitivities by dealing with the candida that may be at the root of

the problem?

5. I'm a little confused about cured meats and sausages. Is the issue only if

the meat is smoked? Would a `fully cooked' style chicken or pork sausage be okay

if it's not smoked and all the ingredients are listed and permitted?

6. And I seem to only be able to find uncured bacon with some kind of sugar used

in the processing. Is there a brand of bacon that is okay that I can order?

Many, many thanks for your help in this, I'm so enjoying being able to just

clean my house and hang out with my kids without feeling like I'm moving through

2 times gravity.

Durga

[Guest guest]

Bee, thank you so much for your responses. Things are clarifying for me.

A couple more questions about the response below - I understand about the foods

that are already no nos, and the eggs, but I'm unsure about how to treat the

things that are allowed but I reacted to, such as olives (including olive oil),

beef, and a few others that I didn't list - celery for one. Given that I tested

as reactive to them, should I avoid them, or trust that the candida protocol

will take care of the reactivity while I'm still eating them occasionally?

Thanks again for sharing all your expertise!

Durga

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> > 4. I have tested as `reactive' to 22 foods. The test was from Immuno Labs.

Included in this list is eggs, dairy, olives, beef, onion, baker's yeast and

brewer's yeast, and cane sugar. When I've avoided the foods on this list, and

then challenged the elimination, I definitely have gastric reactions. Should I

avoid all these foods now? Or is it likely that the diet regimen will take care

of these sensitivities by dealing with the candida that may be at the root of

the problem?

>

> +++All dairy, except butter, and baker's yeast, brewer's yeast, cane sugar,

and olives (depending upon the processing) are not allowed on this diet for

reasons explained in my candida articles.

>

> +++If you are sensitive to any eggs the reason is because they are high in

sulphur which is antifungal, antibacterial, etc. which will cause " healing

reactions/die-off " so you start with small amounts, like 1 tsp. of egg yolk per

day, and only gradually increase the amount so your symptoms aren't as severe.

[Guest guest]

Hannah, I think my 11 year old also may have adrenal issues...can you tell me the "list" you used to compare that to thryoid for your daughter and also what you did for your 10 year old to correct her adrenal issue?? did you have saliva tests for her or just the list?? my doctor wont order those tests for me and my budget is strapped ...but she has anxiety issues and at one time even had panic attacks..we took care of those using st johns wort and acupuncture...i am waiting on tests results for her thyroid which i ordered and paid for myself!! thanks for any info...by the way..i have her on selenium and iodine as well as mutivitamin with magnesium! From: Hannah Delaney <skittles46@...>Subject: Intro and some questionsiodine Date: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:08 PM

I've been floating around here for several days and think I'm ready to introduce myself, and see if any of you have any advice for my set of circumstances.

My mother (judithmarg (DOT) com) introduced me to this list, as she's been on it quite a while. I've gleaned a fair bit already, just by doing most of the newbie list, and reading back emails and such.

My daughter is actually what drew my interest into adrenal/thyroid issues. My mother and sister had both been exploring thyroid and then adrenal for quite a while, but on the initial list of symptoms I saw it didn't strike me. It took a comparison (adrenal vs thyroid) side by side for me to initially see that my 10 year old fits adrenal fatigue perfectly, so I started asking what my sister had found out about that and started her on some supplementation including iodine (Lugols 2%). It has made a night and day difference, just in the month or so she's been taking it. She seems to be showing some signs of bromide detox currently though so we're working on that.

My real question is for me right now though. I hadn't ever seen myself in the hypothyroid symptoms, until one of the side by side comparisons sorted them out well enough for me to realize I fit almost all the hypothyroid ones, just not the adrenal fatigue side. Most of the supportive supplementation (B-50, B12, Vit C, etc) I have been on anyway, since I find I feel much moodier and irritable without it. About the only thing I'm missing right now is the iodine itself in some form, and the selenium.

My issue becomes I have an exclusively breastfed 3 month old. Does anybody know if starting iodine supplementation while breastfeeding is ok? Also concerned that if I bromide detox will it pass to him? However two of my big issues are difficulty losing weight and high blood pressure, both of which have a chance of being helped by supporting the thyroid, and I really want to work on so that I can be healthier in the rest of my childbearing years.

Incidentally since I noticed the thread on basal temperatures, when I took them for 14 months fairly recently most months even my post ovulation temperatures were below what Steph references as normal (97.8). Most months my pre ovulation temperatures averaged 97.1 or so. I'm not sure how accurate trying to take those again would be though since the end of my night is up/down with the baby.

Also, I would like any advice/cautions on proceeding without at least most of the labwork some have mentioned. For us right now, we simply do not have the finances to run most of the labs, or know of/have the money for a naturopath.

Thanks!

Hannah

[Guest guest]

There are 2 side by sides that have been helpful for me.The one I really saw my daughter on is here:http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenalfatiguevshypothyroidism.aspThen a more comprehensive one that brought my attention to me is here:http://drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-symptoms-matrixFrom our research this is what I put my daughter on:Vit. C - 2 grams (form I have has calcium, mag, zinc and potassium as well)Complete B-50Extra B-5Magnesium (currently mag chloride in liquid form)B-12 (methylcobalamine) - 5 mgDigestive Enzymes with mealsValerian Root (short-term at bedtime to help with insomnia)L-TyrosineTaurineLugols 2% iodine (currently at 3 drops after detoxing and plaetauing)Dandelion Root (supports the liver)I did not do any of the testing with her as of yet. Just found a

holistic doc who might be able to help with her and do some testing of my 4 yr old as well, so plan to do some and go from there. Also plan to add selenium to her.HannahFrom: Hannah Delaney <skittles46 (DOT) com>Subject: Intro and some questionsiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Friday, July 3, 2009, 11:08 PM

I've been floating around here for several days and think I'm ready to introduce myself, and see if any of you have any advice for my set of circumstances.

My mother (judithmarg (DOT) com) introduced me to this list, as she's been on it quite a while. I've gleaned a fair bit already, just by doing most of the newbie list, and reading back emails and such.

My daughter is actually what drew my interest into adrenal/thyroid issues. My mother and sister had both been exploring thyroid and then adrenal for quite a while, but on the initial list of symptoms I saw it didn't strike me. It took a comparison (adrenal vs thyroid) side by side for me to initially see that my 10 year old fits adrenal fatigue perfectly, so I started asking what my sister had found out about that and started her on some supplementation including iodine (Lugols 2%). It has made a night and day difference, just in the month or so she's been taking it. She seems to be showing some signs of bromide detox currently though so we're working on that.

My real question is for me right now though. I hadn't ever seen myself in the hypothyroid symptoms, until one of the side by side comparisons sorted them out well enough for me to realize I fit almost all the hypothyroid ones, just not the adrenal fatigue side. Most of the supportive supplementation (B-50, B12, Vit C, etc) I have been on anyway, since I find I feel much moodier and irritable without it. About the only thing I'm missing right now is the iodine itself in some form, and the selenium.

My issue becomes I have an exclusively breastfed 3 month old. Does anybody know if starting iodine supplementation while breastfeeding is ok? Also concerned that if I bromide detox will it pass to him? However two of my big issues are difficulty losing weight and high blood pressure, both of which have a chance of being helped by supporting the thyroid, and I really want to work on so that I can be healthier in the rest of my childbearing years.

Incidentally since I noticed the thread on basal temperatures, when I took them for 14 months fairly recently most months even my post ovulation temperatures were below what Steph references as normal (97.8). Most months my pre ovulation temperatures averaged 97.1 or so. I'm not sure how accurate trying to take those again would be though since the end of my night is up/down with the baby.

Also, I would like any advice/cautions on proceeding without at least most of the labwork some have mentioned. For us right now, we simply do not have the finances to run most of the labs, or know of/have the money for a naturopath.

Thanks!

Hannah