Sunscreen

[Guest guest]

suntan lotion

> Hi everyone, I have had lots of requests for suntan lotion and

sunscreen,but have been unable to find a recipe. I appreciate any

help you can give. TIA a

HI a,

I too have had multiple requests for suntan lotions and sunscreens.

What I came up with is that you need an over the counter drug license

and you need to have your product tested for SPF value. This testing

from what I have seen is very costly. I did find a cool website but

I can't give you the link here. If you are interested email me

privately. This website offers microfine zinc oxide as a full

spectrum sunscreen. I believe you send them the product they put the

sunscreen in and test it to verify SPF values. It has to be costly,

but no one has emailed me back with any substantial numbers. Zinc

oxide is considered one of the more natural sunscreens, but normally

it will leave a white residue on the skin. This microfine stuff will

not. I am also aware that some oils that we use, to make our

products, have natural SPF values; but someone else is going to have

to jump in here, because that is all I know about the oils. Good

luck to you, and let me know what you find!!

Sincerely,

Melinda

[Guest guest]

> Would anybody know what the active ingredient is in sunblock?

Hi,

I really hate to be the bearer of " bad news " but this would now be

considered a drug in both Canada and the U.S.

Formulating sunscreens is a lot more complicated than it looks, the oils

used with the actives may actually render the active useless - for example,

using titanium dioxide with some oil combinations can cause oxidation on the

skin and actually cause burning. (This includes the " fumed " TD which is

used in sunblocks)

If you still want to go ahead - you will need to run human clinical

trials to substantiate your SPF claim and will run about $15,000. You will

need to register this for drug approval with the FDA. You will be inspected

at your " Drug Manufacturing Facilities " . The list goes on and on.......

I know it seems like a great idea, but is really better left to

manufacturers/pharmaceutical companies who can afford all this testing,

facilities and also carry the liability insurance

Jen

See what's new:

http://labcolours.homestead.com/new.html

[Guest guest]

How about the vitamin PABA? Isn't that a sunscreen that can be obtained

from any nutritional supplement store?

--

Marcelle Karustis

mkarustis@... - email

(973) 776-3900 x7867 - voicemail/fax

---- " Jen " <jen@...> wrote:

> > Would anybody know what the active ingredient is in sunblock?

>

> Hi,

> I really hate to be the bearer of " bad news " but this would now

> be

> considered a drug in both Canada and the U.S.

> Formulating sunscreens is a lot more complicated than it looks,

> the oils

> used with the actives may actually render the active useless - for

> example,

> using titanium dioxide with some oil combinations can cause oxidation

> on the

> skin and actually cause burning. (This includes the " fumed " TD which

> is

> used in sunblocks)

> If you still want to go ahead - you will need to run human clinical

> trials to substantiate your SPF claim and will run about $15,000.

> You will

> need to register this for drug approval with the FDA. You will be

> inspected

> at your " Drug Manufacturing Facilities " . The list goes on and on.......

> I know it seems like a great idea, but is really better left to

> manufacturers/pharmaceutical companies who can afford all this testing,

> facilities and also carry the liability insurance

>

> Jen

> See what's new:

> http://labcolours.homestead.com/new.html

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> How about the vitamin PABA? Isn't that a sunscreen that can be obtained

> from any nutritional supplement store?

Hi,

PABA is para amino benzoic acid. It was used as a sunscreen and in the

basis for other sunscreens today.

It isn't used very much now because of there were numerous complaints

regarding skin sensitization.

I don't believe ingesting this material is wise. It is not poisonous but

it doesn't do you any benefit. Some people are allergic to it. Ingestion

will sure cause the mother of allergic reactions in those people.

You would still need to go through the FDA hoopla and testing to

substantiate your claim for an OTC drug. This is a situation where it is

what it is, (a drug), and there are no loopholes or exemptions.

If you get caught selling an OTC without going through all the proper

steps it would at the very least be subject to seizure as either misbranded

or adulterated by the FDA, a product recall would probably be ordered and

there may be fines.

If you sell it and someone has a reaction or gets a sunburn from your

product - even a pretty stupid lawyer would win large.

Jen

See what's new:

http://labcolours.homestead.com/new.html

[Guest guest]

Dear Marisa,

So sorry to hear about the sunscreen incident. We've had this happen

many times with our . She would often rub her eyes just after we

had applied the sunscreen & when we were at the beach it was really bad

because she would get sand in her eyes as well. One time I was getting her

to help me rub it in on her arms & legs & that was the time she had the

worst reaction because it was all over her hands (Mom wasn't thinking that

day!). Our worker recommended to us a sunscreen for very sensitive skin

called Ombrelle. I just went to our cabinent to check out who makes it &

it's L'Oreal. They're a pretty big cosmetic company here. I hope you can

get it there. It's quite a bit more expensive than the regular stuff, but

it has made a big difference for us. Hope this helps.

BTW, I think it's wonderful that you are willing to moderate the Teen List.

Maybe you should think about calling it something else so that those 10 or 8

or even 7 (my ) could also participate. Good luck with setting it all

up & thanks for doing this!

[Guest guest]

Dear Marisa,

So sorry to hear about the sunscreen incident. We've had this happen

many times with our . She would often rub her eyes just after we

had applied the sunscreen & when we were at the beach it was really bad

because she would get sand in her eyes as well. One time I was getting her

to help me rub it in on her arms & legs & that was the time she had the

worst reaction because it was all over her hands (Mom wasn't thinking that

day!). Our worker recommended to us a sunscreen for very sensitive skin

called Ombrelle. I just went to our cabinent to check out who makes it &

it's L'Oreal. They're a pretty big cosmetic company here. I hope you can

get it there. It's quite a bit more expensive than the regular stuff, but

it has made a big difference for us. Hope this helps.

BTW, I think it's wonderful that you are willing to moderate the Teen List.

Maybe you should think about calling it something else so that those 10 or 8

or even 7 (my ) could also participate. Good luck with setting it all

up & thanks for doing this!

[Guest guest]

I have a theory on sunscreen, which may or may not be true, although it has

been borne out on occasion. When they first came out and it was just UVA or

UVB, I thought, what if whatever it is that causes skin cancer is not

prevented by the screen? Sure enough, they added the other one. Then about

a year or two ago, I heard a blurb suggesting that the rise in skin cancer

and melanoma might be due to people staying out longer in the sun now that

there are sunscreens. I'm not sure that I heard it right and have not

investigated it further. But if there is a rise, then it would seem that

sunscreens do not prevent cancer.

Mmy approach to sunscreen is the following: Cover yourself and your

children up as much as possible. Wear hats, etc. Keep them out of the sun

when the rays are strongest. If you cannot do those things, perhaps use

sunscreen, but sparingly. Let your skin tell you when you are getting

enough, whenever possible, rather than staying out in the sun for

unnaturally long periods.

There is also another reason to avoid sunscreen - it prevents your body from

manufacturing vitamin D.

Just my one cent. Sandy

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

Sunscreen

Here's something that a friend just sent to me about sunscreen ....

> Sun block

> Gender-bending chemicals that mimic oestrogen are common in sunscreens,

> warn Swiss researchers

> Exclusive from New Scientist magazine

> Gender-bending chemicals that mimic the effect of oestrogen are common in

> sunscreens, warns a team of Swiss researchers who have found that they

> trigger developmental abnormalities in rats.

> " We need to do more tests to see how they might be affecting people, " says

> Margaret Schlumpf from the Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology at the

> University of Zurich, Switzerland.

> Researchers know that chemicals which behave like oestrogen can cause

> health problems. They can have a dramatic effect on animals, for example

> turning fish into hermaphrodites.

> Some researchers claim that hormonally active chemicals from the urine of

> women taking the birth control pill are already swamping the environment,

> and may be causing a decline in sperm counts.

> Uterine growth

> Schlumpf and her colleagues tested six common UV screening chemicals used

> in sunscreens, lipsticks and other cosmetics. All five UVB screens

> -benzophenone-3, homosalate, 4-methyl-benzylidene camphor (4-MBC),

> octyl-methoxycinnamate and octyl-dimethyl-PABA - behaved like oestrogen in

> lab tests, making cancer cells grow more rapidly.

> Three caused developmental effects in animals. Only one chemical - a UVA

> protector called butyl-methoxydibenzoylmethane (B-MDM) - showed no

> activity.

> One of the most common sunscreen chemicals, 4-MBC, had a particularly

> strong effect. When the team mixed it with olive oil and applied it to rat

> skin, it doubled the rate of uterine growth well before puberty. " That was

> scary, because we used concentrations that are in the range allowed in

> sunscreens, " Schlumpf says.

> Nobody knows if doses are high enough to create problems for people, says

> Schlumpf.

> Low levels

> " Evidence that they're a real health concern is still lacking, " says

> Sharpe from the Medical Research Council's Reproductive Biology

> Unit in Edinburgh. But he adds, " It's not good news that we are lathering

> ourselves with creams with hormonal activity. "

> The Cosmetic Toiletry & Perfumery Association, which represents sunscreen

> manufacturers in Britain, replies that the levels found by Schlumpf are

> well below anything that would cause an effect after a single application.

>

> A study by the association, not yet published, shows no effect from these

> chemicals in rats. But, it adds, " If levels are increasing [in the

> environment] then we're aware something would have to be done soon. "

> Breast milk

> That day may be here since 4-MBC and other sunscreen chemicals have been

> shown to accumulate in fish from lakes where people swim.

> More worryingly, they have been found in breast milk at levels of

> nanograms per kilogram of fat - about the same as other known

> environmental contaminants. Schlumpf worries that the large amount of

> sunscreen used by bathers, especially children, could dramatically

> increase this exposure.

> Schlumpf says the other 25 or so chemicals used in sunscreens should also

> be tested for hormonal activity, and she will be looking more closely at

> 4-MBC to see if the offspring of exposed rats develop health problems.

> For the moment, she isn't advising people to ditch sunscreens completely,

> but suggests that sunblocks like zinc oxide might make a healthier

> alternative.

> More at: Environmental Health Perspectives (vol 109, p 239)

> Correspondence about this story should be directed to

> letters@...

> <mailto:letters@...?subject=Sun%20block>

>

[Guest guest]

I do not know if someone sent this already, I am behind, but here it goes.

Sunblock

2.5oz sesame oil

1.5 oz cocoa oil

1/2 oz beeswax

4oz distilled water

2 tablespoons zinc oxide (available from herbalist)

25 drops grapefruit seed extract

Melt the oils and beeswax in a double boiler over meduim heat. Remove from

the heat. add the water and mix with an electric blender until thick and

creamy. Add the zinc and GSE. Makes on cup. Store in a glass jar with a

screw top. lasts 6 months

Never tried it. Do not get mad at me if it does not work!

>From: " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

>Reply-Vaccinations

><Vaccinations >

>Subject: RE: Sunscreen

>Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:53:32 -0800

>

>I have a theory on sunscreen, which may or may not be true, although it has

>been borne out on occasion. When they first came out and it was just UVA

>or

>UVB, I thought, what if whatever it is that causes skin cancer is not

>prevented by the screen? Sure enough, they added the other one. Then

>about

>a year or two ago, I heard a blurb suggesting that the rise in skin cancer

>and melanoma might be due to people staying out longer in the sun now that

>there are sunscreens. I'm not sure that I heard it right and have not

>investigated it further. But if there is a rise, then it would seem that

>sunscreens do not prevent cancer.

>

>Mmy approach to sunscreen is the following: Cover yourself and your

>children up as much as possible. Wear hats, etc. Keep them out of the sun

>when the rays are strongest. If you cannot do those things, perhaps use

>sunscreen, but sparingly. Let your skin tell you when you are getting

>enough, whenever possible, rather than staying out in the sun for

>unnaturally long periods.

>

>There is also another reason to avoid sunscreen - it prevents your body

>from

>manufacturing vitamin D.

>

>Just my one cent. Sandy

>

>ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE

>IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS

>REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE

>CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION

>WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE

>MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.

>

>

>

>

> Sunscreen

>

>

>Here's something that a friend just sent to me about sunscreen ....

>

> > Sun block

> > Gender-bending chemicals that mimic oestrogen are common in sunscreens,

> > warn Swiss researchers

> > Exclusive from New Scientist magazine

> > Gender-bending chemicals that mimic the effect of oestrogen are common

>in

> > sunscreens, warns a team of Swiss researchers who have found that they

> > trigger developmental abnormalities in rats.

> > " We need to do more tests to see how they might be affecting people, "

>says

>

> > Margaret Schlumpf from the Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology at

>the

>

> > University of Zurich, Switzerland.

> > Researchers know that chemicals which behave like oestrogen can cause

> > health problems. They can have a dramatic effect on animals, for example

> > turning fish into hermaphrodites.

> > Some researchers claim that hormonally active chemicals from the urine

>of

> > women taking the birth control pill are already swamping the

>environment,

> > and may be causing a decline in sperm counts.

> > Uterine growth

> > Schlumpf and her colleagues tested six common UV screening chemicals

>used

> > in sunscreens, lipsticks and other cosmetics. All five UVB screens

> > -benzophenone-3, homosalate, 4-methyl-benzylidene camphor (4-MBC),

> > octyl-methoxycinnamate and octyl-dimethyl-PABA - behaved like oestrogen

>in

>

> > lab tests, making cancer cells grow more rapidly.

> > Three caused developmental effects in animals. Only one chemical - a UVA

> > protector called butyl-methoxydibenzoylmethane (B-MDM) - showed no

> > activity.

> > One of the most common sunscreen chemicals, 4-MBC, had a particularly

> > strong effect. When the team mixed it with olive oil and applied it to

>rat

>

> > skin, it doubled the rate of uterine growth well before puberty. " That

>was

>

> > scary, because we used concentrations that are in the range allowed in

> > sunscreens, " Schlumpf says.

> > Nobody knows if doses are high enough to create problems for people,

>says

> > Schlumpf.

> > Low levels

> > " Evidence that they're a real health concern is still lacking, " says

> > Sharpe from the Medical Research Council's Reproductive Biology

> > Unit in Edinburgh. But he adds, " It's not good news that we are

>lathering

> > ourselves with creams with hormonal activity. "

> > The Cosmetic Toiletry & Perfumery Association, which represents

>sunscreen

> > manufacturers in Britain, replies that the levels found by Schlumpf are

> > well below anything that would cause an effect after a single

>application.

>

> >

> > A study by the association, not yet published, shows no effect from

>these

> > chemicals in rats. But, it adds, " If levels are increasing [in the

> > environment] then we're aware something would have to be done soon. "

> > Breast milk

> > That day may be here since 4-MBC and other sunscreen chemicals have been

> > shown to accumulate in fish from lakes where people swim.

> > More worryingly, they have been found in breast milk at levels of

> > nanograms per kilogram of fat - about the same as other known

> > environmental contaminants. Schlumpf worries that the large amount of

> > sunscreen used by bathers, especially children, could dramatically

> > increase this exposure.

> > Schlumpf says the other 25 or so chemicals used in sunscreens should

>also

> > be tested for hormonal activity, and she will be looking more closely at

> > 4-MBC to see if the offspring of exposed rats develop health problems.

> > For the moment, she isn't advising people to ditch sunscreens

>completely,

> > but suggests that sunblocks like zinc oxide might make a healthier

> > alternative.

> > More at: Environmental Health Perspectives (vol 109, p 239)

> > Correspondence about this story should be directed to

> > letters@...

> > <mailto:letters@...?subject=Sun%20block>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Looks like it is time for info on this stuff again...

> Sun block

> Gender-bending chemicals that mimic oestrogen are common in sunscreens,

> warn Swiss researchers

> Exclusive from New Scientist magazine

> Gender-bending chemicals that mimic the effect of oestrogen are common in

> sunscreens, warns a team of Swiss researchers who have found that they

> trigger developmental abnormalities in rats.

> " We need to do more tests to see how they might be affecting people, " says

> Margaret Schlumpf from the Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology at the

> University of Zurich, Switzerland.

> Researchers know that chemicals which behave like oestrogen can cause

> health problems. They can have a dramatic effect on animals, for example

> turning fish into hermaphrodites.

> Some researchers claim that hormonally active chemicals from the urine of

> women taking the birth control pill are already swamping the environment,

> and may be causing a decline in sperm counts.

> Uterine growth

> Schlumpf and her colleagues tested six common UV screening chemicals used

> in sunscreens, lipsticks and other cosmetics. All five UVB screens

> -benzophenone-3, homosalate, 4-methyl-benzylidene camphor (4-MBC),

> octyl-methoxycinnamate and octyl-dimethyl-PABA - behaved like oestrogen in

> lab tests, making cancer cells grow more rapidly.

> Three caused developmental effects in animals. Only one chemical - a UVA

> protector called butyl-methoxydibenzoylmethane (B-MDM) - showed no

> activity.

> One of the most common sunscreen chemicals, 4-MBC, had a particularly

> strong effect. When the team mixed it with olive oil and applied it to rat

> skin, it doubled the rate of uterine growth well before puberty. " That was

> scary, because we used concentrations that are in the range allowed in

> sunscreens, " Schlumpf says.

> Nobody knows if doses are high enough to create problems for people, says

> Schlumpf.

> Low levels

> " Evidence that they're a real health concern is still lacking, " says

> Sharpe from the Medical Research Council's Reproductive Biology

> Unit in Edinburgh. But he adds, " It's not good news that we are lathering

> ourselves with creams with hormonal activity. "

> The Cosmetic Toiletry & Perfumery Association, which represents sunscreen

> manufacturers in Britain, replies that the levels found by Schlumpf are

> well below anything that would cause an effect after a single application.

>

> A study by the association, not yet published, shows no effect from these

> chemicals in rats. But, it adds, " If levels are increasing [in the

> environment] then we're aware something would have to be done soon. "

> Breast milk

> That day may be here since 4-MBC and other sunscreen chemicals have been

> shown to accumulate in fish from lakes where people swim.

> More worryingly, they have been found in breast milk at levels of

> nanograms per kilogram of fat - about the same as other known

> environmental contaminants. Schlumpf worries that the large amount of

> sunscreen used by bathers, especially children, could dramatically

> increase this exposure.

> Schlumpf says the other 25 or so chemicals used in sunscreens should also

> be tested for hormonal activity, and she will be looking more closely at

> 4-MBC to see if the offspring of exposed rats develop health problems.

> For the moment, she isn't advising people to ditch sunscreens completely,

> but suggests that sunblocks like zinc oxide might make a healthier

> alternative.

> More at: Environmental Health Perspectives (vol 109, p 239)

[Guest guest]

Very interesting about the sun screen !! Perhaps this would also

explain the increasing trend of puberty occuring earlier and earlier

in young girls?

>

>

[Guest guest]

sunscreens are drugs, and must be approved for sale by the FDA or

other regulatory agency (i.e. Health Canada). Their efficacy must be

proven in human trials, which is kinda expensive.

while some natural ingredients may provide some protection, if you

claim any sunscreen capabilities you are making drug claims as well

as opening yourself up to lawsuits.

This is one area that is best left to the big guys.

Jules in Vancouver, BC

> Does anyone know what you use in lip balm for sunscreen? I made

about 50 lip balms and everyone wanted it with sunscreen.

>

> Thanks

>

> Mountainlady

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

A couple of years ago, I had some spots removed from my face by a plastic

surgeon. She told me to only use daytime facial products that had titanium

dioxide in them. The face cream I used, I believe it was Clinique, had

titanium dioxide in it. It came out of the tube whiteish and went on my face

clear. When I asked about it online, I was told it could not be used as a

sun screen in a face product because it would stay opaque on the face. I am

interested in using a sun screen in products for myself and family and am not

concerned with liabilities in making claims. Any ideas? Thanks so much.

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-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

Sage, I use Clinique " almost makeup " which has titanium dioxide in it. I can't

use any other type of sun protection on my face. Cranberry Lane in Vancouver

sells titanium dioxide on their website and have instructions on adding it to

your own handmade toiletries(can't remember exactly where on the site it is).

Hope that helps.

Leanna in Alberta.

[Guest guest]

that product probably contained micronized Ti02 - it can and is used

as a sunscreen, but because so many factors can affect the efficacy

of a sunscreen it truly is best not to risk it one oneself or family,

IMO.

I am unaware of any supplier that sells micronized Ti02 in quantities

suitable for home/cottage industry use.

Jules/Vancouver BC

> Hi All,

>

> A couple of years ago, I had some spots removed from my face by a

plastic

> surgeon. She told me to only use daytime facial products that had

titanium

> dioxide in them. The face cream I used, I believe it was Clinique,

had

> titanium dioxide in it. It came out of the tube whiteish and went

on my face

> clear. When I asked about it online, I was told it could not be

used as a

> sun screen in a face product because it would stay opaque on the

face. I am

> interested in using a sun screen in products for myself and family

and am not

> concerned with liabilities in making claims. Any ideas? Thanks so

much.

>

> ¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/22/02 7:51:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

leannah@... writes:

> Cranberry Lane in Vancouver

> sells titanium dioxide on their website and have instructions on adding it

> to

>

Oooh...Thanks Leanna. That is just what I need.

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/22/02 7:51:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

leannah@... writes:

> Cranberry Lane in Vancouver

> sells titanium dioxide on their website and have instructions on adding it

> to

>

Oooh...Thanks Leanna. That is just what I need.

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¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/22/02 8:47:38 AM Central Daylight Time,

endeeringdesigns@... writes:

> A friend of mine made a sunblock for me & my daughter with sesame oil, zinc

> oxide, cocoa butter, beeswax, and distilled water ( & vit E & grapefruit

> seed

> extract), I think that was everything in it. I'll try and find the exact

>

Thanks , I would love to see the recipe. I wonder how much it would

cost to have a lab look at some of the things I make to check them for SPF.

Anybody have an idea? Thanks.

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

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[Guest guest]

A friend of mine made a sunblock for me & my daughter with sesame oil, zinc

oxide, cocoa butter, beeswax, and distilled water ( & vit E & grapefruit seed

extract), I think that was everything in it. I'll try and find the exact

recipe for you if I can. It is extremely effective, although it does give a

bit of a chalky look to your skin it's not bad, if your complection is

darker (ours is very light) it might look worse.

HTH

~

>From: Yaaruln@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Sunscreen

>Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:03:13 EDT

>

>Hi All,

>

>A couple of years ago, I had some spots removed from my face by a plastic

>surgeon. She told me to only use daytime facial products that had titanium

>dioxide in them. The face cream I used, I believe it was Clinique, had

>titanium dioxide in it. It came out of the tube whiteish and went on my

>face

>clear. When I asked about it online, I was told it could not be used as a

>sun screen in a face product because it would stay opaque on the face. I

>am

>interested in using a sun screen in products for myself and family and am

>not

>concerned with liabilities in making claims. Any ideas? Thanks so much.

>

>¸..·´¨¨)) -:¦:-

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

>((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

>-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would be interested in that recipe if you could e-mail it to me. Silly

question, does it have a UV ( SPF 30, 15, etc.) protection?

Re: Re: Sunscreen

> >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:03:13 EDT

> >

> >Hi All,

> >

> >A couple of years ago, I had some spots removed from my face by a plastic

> >surgeon. She told me to only use daytime facial products that had

titanium

> >dioxide in them. The face cream I used, I believe it was Clinique, had

> >titanium dioxide in it. It came out of the tube whiteish and went on my

> >face

> >clear. When I asked about it online, I was told it could not be used as

a

> >sun screen in a face product because it would stay opaque on the face. I

> >am

> >interested in using a sun screen in products for myself and family and am

> >not

> >concerned with liabilities in making claims. Any ideas? Thanks so much.

> >

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I honestly don't think any sun could get through it, the zinc oxide powder

is extremely blocking. Both of us are very pale, we never got a bit of

colour, which is what I wanted of course, but it would have been nice to be

slightly tanned .

I have no idea how much the testing would cost.

I'll try and find the recipe, I just moved though, and the friend just had a

baby so hopefully it won't be too long.

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>From: Yaaruln@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Sunscreen

>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:57:18 EDT

>

>In a message dated 5/22/02 8:47:38 AM Central Daylight Time,

>endeeringdesigns@... writes:

>

>

> > A friend of mine made a sunblock for me & my daughter with sesame oil,

>zinc

> > oxide, cocoa butter, beeswax, and distilled water ( & vit E & grapefruit

> > seed

> > extract), I think that was everything in it. I'll try and find the exact

> >

>

>Thanks , I would love to see the recipe. I wonder how much it would

>cost to have a lab look at some of the things I make to check them for SPF.

>Anybody have an idea? Thanks.

>

>

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In a message dated 5/22/02 7:39:59 PM Central Daylight Time,

endeeringdesigns@... writes:

> I'll try and find the recipe, I just moved though, and the friend just had a

> baby so hopefully it won't be too long.

>

:-)) Yikes! If you are anything at all like me, you will still have boxes

well into next year. I'll be patient. :-))

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SPF can ONLY be tested through human trials - there's nothing that a

lab can do for you. The slightest thing in the base lotion can

impact the protective ability of the lotion.

Don't forget - even if you did get trials done, anytime you claim

that you have a sunscreen, you have a drug, and the FDA (or other

local regulator) gets involved.

Also, I would be hesitant to trust the directions provided by

Cranberry Lane. Their formula has not been tested, and I do know of

one person who got a terrible (i.e started blistering) sunburn after

using what was supposed to be an " SPF 15 " formula of theirs. It

provided no protection at all, probably in part because it didn't use

micronized Ti02.

Jules/Vancouver

[Guest guest]

I'll have to disagree with you a bit, Vicky...micronized Ti02 does

work better than the stuff we soapers use for colour for the same

reason that a thin sheet of cling film works better to protect our

canteloupe in the fridge from the garlic pasta, than a couple of

blobs of 30 mil plastic, scattered over the surface, would. The

micronized spreads more evenly across the skin when equal amounts of

lotion containing equal amounts of Ti02 are applied, thus providing

greater reflective power.

In order to get sufficient protection from the significantly larger

particles that we've got access to, one would have to virtually coat

themselves white.

Jules/Vancouver BC

> Actually, Zinc Oxide and Titanium Dioxide (TiO2) should perform

pretty

> much the same. Micronized, only means the particles are tinier.

It is

> to make the product more transparent on the skin, it doesn't make

the

> product perform better.

[Guest guest]

hi i purchased titanium dioxide at www.skincare-institute.com

i got 16 oz for $13.00 hope this helps

>From: " gardengoddessjules " <garden_goddess@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Sunscreen

>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 04:33:27 -0000

>

>that product probably contained micronized Ti02 - it can and is used

>as a sunscreen, but because so many factors can affect the efficacy

>of a sunscreen it truly is best not to risk it one oneself or family,

>IMO.

>

>I am unaware of any supplier that sells micronized Ti02 in quantities

>suitable for home/cottage industry use.

>

>Jules/Vancouver BC

>

>

>

>

> > Hi All,

> >

> > A couple of years ago, I had some spots removed from my face by a

>plastic

> > surgeon. She told me to only use daytime facial products that had

>titanium

> > dioxide in them. The face cream I used, I believe it was Clinique,

>had

> > titanium dioxide in it. It came out of the tube whiteish and went

>on my face

> > clear. When I asked about it online, I was told it could not be

>used as a

> > sun screen in a face product because it would stay opaque on the

>face. I am

> > interested in using a sun screen in products for myself and family

>and am not

> > concerned with liabilities in making claims. Any ideas? Thanks so

>much.

> >

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> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 5/26/02 7:11:05 AM Central Daylight Time,

gdgarced@... writes:

> hi i purchased titanium dioxide at www.skincare-institute.com

> i got 16 oz for $13.00 hope this helps

>

Was it the micronized version?

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