supplement question

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In a message dated 10-Jul-00 10:47:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

pamr@... writes:

<< My hubby is trying to bulk up (muscle wise). He takes Myoplex and

Betagen. What other supplements do y'all recommend? >>

Myoplex Deluxe, not regular Myoplex...more calories, more protein, and they

are useful calories plus the benefits of the extra supplements they put it in

which at this late in the night after internship and classes has lost my mind

for the moment.

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Only difference is that a serving of Phosphagen has more creatine than

Betagen (3 grams more) and that most essentially Betagen has the delivery

system (sugar) and other essential nutrients like Potassium, Calcium, Taurine

and L-Glutamine. If you want to do the Phosphagen TAKE IT WITH A NON-CITRUS

JUICE like Grape juice...and not Orange Juice.

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In a message dated 10-Jul-00 04:32:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

merced_a@... writes:

<< I think (from talking to my friends, who are guys doing the program) that

Phosphagen would be a better choice for him instead of betagen... apparently

betagen is just right for women, but men need more creatine.... that's my 2

cents worth.....

Good luck!

Merced >>

[Guest guest]

What is HGH (this hormone growth) cant remember the other word. What is

it used for and is it good to take? Is it in pill or powder form? I have

read a little about it but now much. Sharon

[Guest guest]

Human Growth Hormone. it's supposed to stimulate an anabolic state. I'd not waste your money. Six meals a day, lots of water and rest, intense workouts and vitamins and EFA's should do you fine with possibly the addition of BetaGen.

Just my opinion. Kit :=)

-----Original Message-----From: SKLOSEE@... [mailto:SKLOSEE@...]Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:21 PMbodyforlifeegroupsSubject: Re: Supplement question

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EAS recommends, or recommended last I heard from them, that adro be used over the age of 45 to supplement hormone levels.

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In a message dated 10-Dec-00 10:05:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, vicc@... writes:

joe6pack1@... [joe6pack1@...] wrote:

> I've read a bit about androstenedione... anybody know anything about > it practically. Would I be throwing my money away? I'm 46 and can use > all the safe testosterone booster I can get!

I wouldnt waste your money on it, your testosterone level while

not as great as an 18 old but will do you quite fine till you are 70.

the small kick in testosterone you will get from it is not significant

enough to make much difference. you generally have to take way

above the recomended dose for any significant effect.

adverse effects on kidneys and prostate can then result. aromatisation

is apparently also quite high and can lead to the appearance

of female characteristics. not a good look.

Deus

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joe6pack1@... [joe6pack1@...] wrote:

> I've read a bit about androstenedione... anybody know anything about

> it practically. Would I be throwing my money away? I'm 46 and can use

> all the safe testosterone booster I can get!

I wouldnt waste your money on it, your testosterone level while

not as great as an 18 old but will do you quite fine till you are 70.

the small kick in testosterone you will get from it is not significant

enough to make much difference. you generally have to take way

above the recomended dose for any significant effect.

adverse effects on kidneys and prostate can then result. aromatisation

is apparently also quite high and can lead to the appearance

of female characteristics. not a good look.

Deus

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habibsangl@... [habibsangl@...] wrote:

> EAS recommends, or recommended last I heard from them, that adro be used over

> the age of 45 to supplement hormone levels.

tut tut tut.

if you want to supplement hormone levels go see a doctor

who will test you to determine your current levels and may prescribe

steroidal hormones. I would be surprised if you can find an honest

doctor who will do that without a very good reason at age 46.

the only reason the FDA has not banned prohormones is

that they cant be shown to increase muscle mass.

Deus

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E Long wrote:

> I just bought some 5HTP caps/tablets?, Licorice Root caps

> and Omega 3

> gel caps. How many mg should I take of each, and when? Before, with

> or after meals, any particular time of day, etc.

>

> Should I add them one at a time and see if there are any

> reactions? I

> noticed a few folks talking about headaches after 5HTP.

5HTP should be 100mg - 300mg per day. I've not had a problem with

headaches. I take 5HTP about 45 minutes before bed with my other

nighttime vitamins (B6, Niacin, Magnesium). For full insomnia

effectiveness, 5HTP needs a carbohydrate transport, though. " The

sedative effects of 5-HTP can be enhanced by taking it near bedtime

with a carbohydrate source such as fruit or fruit juice. "

~Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.

[Guest guest]

what is the connection with Licorice and how should it

be taken, i.e. dosage and type?

--- Maskell <kmaskell@...> wrote:

> E Long wrote:

>

> > I just bought some 5HTP caps/tablets?, Licorice

> Root caps

> > and Omega 3

> > gel caps. How many mg should I take of each, and

> when? Before, with

> > or after meals, any particular time of day, etc.

> >

> > Should I add them one at a time and see if there

> are any

> > reactions? I

> > noticed a few folks talking about headaches after

> 5HTP.

>

> 5HTP should be 100mg - 300mg per day. I've not had

> a problem with

> headaches. I take 5HTP about 45 minutes before bed

> with my other

> nighttime vitamins (B6, Niacin, Magnesium). For

> full insomnia

> effectiveness, 5HTP needs a carbohydrate transport,

> though. " The

> sedative effects of 5-HTP can be enhanced by taking

> it near bedtime

> with a carbohydrate source such as fruit or fruit

> juice. "

> ~Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine.

>

>

>

>

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Cherie Kirschbaum

1200 Cherokee St. #104

Denver, CO 80204

303-892-1958

303-572-0081

cityprojectsinc@...

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> From: Cherie Kirschbaum [mailto:cityprojectsinc@...]

> what is the connection with Licorice and how should it

> be taken, i.e. dosage and type?

No connection with 5HTP, at least in my post. I ignored Licorice and

Omega 3 capsules since I didn't have direct knowledge.

In the meantime, I looked up licorice in the Encyclopedia of Natural

Health as well as LR4YT. I can't find any specific references in LR;

ENH has several references, all based on the ailment you are

attempting to treat. Quoting from ENH below:

" In addition to being used to treat a variety of female disorders, it

was used primarily as an expectorant and antitussive in respiratory

tract infections and asthma. Its other traditional uses include

treating peptic ulcers, malaria, abdominal pain, insomnia and

infections. Many of these have been substantiated by modern research.

Licorice is particularly useful in treating PMS, ... " {Hmmm. Now you

have my attention.}

" For PMS, start taking licorice on day 14 of the cycle and continue

until menstruation. Here are dosage recommendations for various forms

of licorice, to be taken 3 times per day:

* Powdered root or as tea: 1 - 2 g

* Fluid extract (1:1): 4ml (1 tsp)

* Solid (dry powdered) extract (4:1): 250 - 500 mg

[Guest guest]

More interesting reading...

DGL and ulcers: in acute cases 2 to 4 380 mg tablets between or 20

minutes before meals. For mild or chronic cases, 1 to 2 tablets 20

minutes before meals. After meals, poor results. In order to be

effective in healing peptic ulcers, the DGL must mix with saliva; DGL

in capsule form has not been shown to be effective.

I love this book.

[Guest guest]

ITEM # 1002 - STOMACH EASE contains 200mg per capsules.

RE: supplement question

More interesting reading...

DGL and ulcers: in acute cases 2 to 4 380 mg tablets between or 20

minutes before meals. For mild or chronic cases, 1 to 2 tablets 20

minutes before meals. After meals, poor results. In order to be

effective in healing peptic ulcers, the DGL must mix with saliva; DGL

in capsule form has not been shown to be effective.

I love this book.

[Guest guest]

And more on 5HTP:

5HTP can be used to promote " early satiety " and weight loss. 50 - 100

mg 20 minutes before meals for the first 2 weeks; then double the

dosage if weight loss is less than 1 pound per week. +300mg are

associated with nausea, but this symptom disappears after 6 weeks.

[Guest guest]

I used to take 5g of glutamine and 500mg of vitamin C post workout for

immune function and muscle recovery. Worked dandy. I used to catch

colds really easily when I was training hard. I started the C and

glutamine routine and went two years without a sniffle.

On 7/15/05, bethkeck <beth@...> wrote:

> I'm considering starting to use some kind of supplement to help with

> muscle recovery. I have to say that I'm a little scared of taking

> anything with creatine in it. I still have quite a bit of BF to lose

> before I'm a happy camper, and I think I'd get too depressed with the

> bloating I've heard can occur with creatine.

>

> SOOOOO...what supplements do you all suggest? After the discussion of

> glutamine the other day, I thought I might try that (I like the

> thought of it enhancing my immune system, too). How much of that

> would I take, and when?

>

> Thanks for any suggestions!

>

> Beth

[Guest guest]

Great job on your first four weeks!!! What are your stats at this point? Just

curious since it sounds like your really working the program.

I take the Betagen. I love it. I have really gotten the muscle that I am

looking for, of course I do work hard in my workouts too. Some of my muscle may

be hiding under the BF...especally on my legs and butt, but I do feel it under

there.

I do not take the creatine, mostly because I love the orange flavor of the

Betagen, and I like that the betagen has a few other things wrapped up in it.

I know in past posts I have stated that you do not need supplements to do BFL,

and I still hold true to that. I do feel that if you get significant amounts of

water, and get the correct amount of protein for your body type you can get just

as good results. I unfortunately struggle with that myself, and slack in that

category...so, I do take the Betagen. Which I guess helps. I really don't even

know. I have been taking it for so long, and pretty much when I starting doing

weights so I have nothing to compare it to. Although I know swears by the

creatine. She has some pretty impressive pictures on her blog to prove it has

its benefits. But again you dedicate 100% to the diet, and a betagen/creatine

user and 100% dieter will probably be next to impossible to pinpoint.

But, this is all my option...so I'll shut up now

~

osufiretgal <no_reply > wrote:

I'm wrapping up week four, getting my body fat tested tomorrow -

hoping for some results. I think I've done well these 4 weeks,

haven't cheated, skipped a worked or even taken a full free day (I

look forward to my free meal - I tell my husband about mid week what

I'm craving and he makes it happen over the weekend!) Anyway, I will

let you all know my results tomorrow.

Back to the real purpose of my email, these first four weeks, my

supplements have been:

Upon rising:

Vitamin C

Immediately after workout:

3 CLA capsules

Vitamin C

One hour after workout:

myoplex shake w/ banana and 1 tbsp flax oil

multi vitamin

primrose oil (which I'm almost out of and may discontinue using)

My afternoon snack is a myoplex carb sense RTD.

Starting next week, I'm thinking of starting the betagen and I've

been reading alot about carnitine.

What are your thoughts/experiences about adding those? Too much,

unnecessary, great combo? Are there better recommendations?

Thanks!! D'

[Guest guest]

L-Carnitine can help your body release fat for energy during cardio,

but only if your carbs are low, like 75g/day or less. If you're

getting more than 75g a day like most Body-for-lifers, L-Carnitine

would be a waste of money.

> I'm wrapping up week four, getting my body fat tested tomorrow -

> hoping for some results. I think I've done well these 4 weeks,

> haven't cheated, skipped a worked or even taken a full free day (I

> look forward to my free meal - I tell my husband about mid week

what

> I'm craving and he makes it happen over the weekend!) Anyway, I

will

> let you all know my results tomorrow.

>

> Back to the real purpose of my email, these first four weeks, my

> supplements have been:

>

> Upon rising:

> Vitamin C

>

> Immediately after workout:

> 3 CLA capsules

> Vitamin C

>

> One hour after workout:

> myoplex shake w/ banana and 1 tbsp flax oil

> multi vitamin

> primrose oil (which I'm almost out of and may discontinue using)

>

> My afternoon snack is a myoplex carb sense RTD.

>

> Starting next week, I'm thinking of starting the betagen and I've

> been reading alot about carnitine.

>

> What are your thoughts/experiences about adding those? Too much,

> unnecessary, great combo? Are there better recommendations?

>

> Thanks!! D'

[Guest guest]

, thanks for the info. I will let you know my stats tomorrow

after I get it all tested. We have a medical office at my work so I

am using their Tanita scales which I know aren't the best but I'm

hoping since I used them first time that I will at least see a

decrease in BF. I am ordering the calipers for my accurate

readings. Anyway, until tomorrow . . . .

> I'm wrapping up week four, getting my body fat tested tomorrow -

> hoping for some results. I think I've done well these 4 weeks,

> haven't cheated, skipped a worked or even taken a full free day (I

> look forward to my free meal - I tell my husband about mid week

what

> I'm craving and he makes it happen over the weekend!) Anyway, I

will

> let you all know my results tomorrow.

>

> Back to the real purpose of my email, these first four weeks, my

> supplements have been:

>

> Upon rising:

> Vitamin C

>

> Immediately after workout:

> 3 CLA capsules

> Vitamin C

>

> One hour after workout:

> myoplex shake w/ banana and 1 tbsp flax oil

> multi vitamin

> primrose oil (which I'm almost out of and may discontinue using)

>

> My afternoon snack is a myoplex carb sense RTD.

>

> Starting next week, I'm thinking of starting the betagen and I've

> been reading alot about carnitine.

>

> What are your thoughts/experiences about adding those? Too much,

> unnecessary, great combo? Are there better recommendations?

>

> Thanks!! D'

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Remember that nutrition is 80% of your results, workouts maybe 15-18%

and supplements about 2%. Get the nutrition right and you'll have a

stunning transformation. If the rest of your plan is on target then

supplements can give you a little bit of an edge, but if your eating

is hit or miss, no supplement can pick up the slack.

Since nutrition is so critical, meal replacements like Myoplex can be

helpful. I don't know anybody who actually uses them three times a

day. Real food is better if you have time, but a shake or a bar can

definitely keep you on track when you're busy. You can also buy a tub

of whey protein to use in recipes or to use as the protein portion of

any meal (protein shake and fruit, protein shake and oatmeal).

Lots of people also use a tablespoon of flax oil a day or a couple

tablespoons of ground flax seeds to help with fat loss and cut

cravings. Check out the flax oil document in the club Files section

for more info on that, or check out some of the informational

literature at Barlean's: http://barleans.com/literature/index.html

Here is some info on Betagen and other creatine products:

http://www.skwigg.com/id53.html

Here are some tips for making Myoplex tasty:

http://www.skwigg.com/id25.html

Some thoughts on bars:

http://www.skwigg.com/id49.html

Some thoughts on magic fat burning pills

http://skwigg.tripod.com/blog/index.blog?entry_id=1255431

Sombody who hasn't had a near death experience on thermogenics could

probably give you a more objective opinion, but there's mine for what

it's worth. :-)

On 11/28/05, Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote:

> Hi everyone!

>

> I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

> any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

> started!!!

>

> Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

> anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

> appetite would be great too, lol)!!

>

> Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

>

> Thanks,

> Jaima

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

betagen, whey protein powder, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil, CLA, muti-vitamin,

Ester C and Viactiv calcium chews.

Pam

Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

started!!!

Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

appetite would be great too, lol)!!

Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

Thanks,

Jaima

[Guest guest]

How do you know when you need to use the whey protein? When do you add it and

what are you adding it to?

Re: Supplement Question

betagen, whey protein powder, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil, CLA,

muti-vitamin, Ester C and Viactiv calcium chews.

Pam

Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

started!!!

Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

appetite would be great too, lol)!!

Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

Thanks,

Jaima

[Guest guest]

Whey protein is just food, like chicken or cottage cheese. You have it

when you're hungry. :-) It can be the protein portion of any of your

six meals. It can be used in recipes for desserts or bars, or you can

follow the directions on the package and make a shake using milk or

water. Here are some more elaborate shake recipes:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/proteinshakes.htm

On 11/28/05, Brown <simbajoy@...> wrote:

> How do you know when you need to use the whey protein? When do you add it and

what are you adding it to?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use it to boost my protein count. I need to get at least 130 grams of protein

a day. I add 1 scoop to my oatmeal in the morning, and after my weight-lifting

workout I drink a whey protein shake made out of 4oz skim milk and 4 oz water,

and I usually add some frozen fruit to it also. I don't drink many shakes, and

I don't eat store bought bars much any more. I now am on this kick where I am

making my bars, they stick with me longer than the store bought ones.

Pam

Brown <simbajoy@...> wrote: How do you know when you

need to use the whey protein? When do you add it and what are you adding it to?

Re: Supplement Question

betagen, whey protein powder, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil, CLA,

muti-vitamin, Ester C and Viactiv calcium chews.

Pam

Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

started!!!

Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

appetite would be great too, lol)!!

Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

Thanks,

Jaima

[Guest guest]

Pam,

After your workout and the protein shake do you then have a meal in addition to

the shake or does that count as one meal?

I've dreamt in my life dreams that have stayed with me ever after, and changed

my ideas: they've gone through and through me, like wine through water, and

altered the colour of my mind.

Bronte

Re: Supplement Question

betagen, whey protein powder, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil, CLA,

muti-vitamin, Ester C and Viactiv calcium chews.

Pam

Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

started!!!

Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

appetite would be great too, lol)!!

Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

Thanks,

Jaima

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Slowly this is all starting to make sense. I appreciate your patience and your

willingness to share stuff I'm sure you've shared a million times before!

Off to check out the recipe~

I've dreamt in my life dreams that have stayed with me ever after, and changed

my ideas: they've gone through and through me, like wine through water, and

altered the colour of my mind.

Bronte

Re: Supplement Question

Whey protein is just food, like chicken or cottage cheese. You have it

when you're hungry. :-) It can be the protein portion of any of your

six meals. It can be used in recipes for desserts or bars, or you can

follow the directions on the package and make a shake using milk or

water. Here are some more elaborate shake recipes:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/proteinshakes.htm

On 11/28/05, Brown <simbajoy@...> wrote:

> How do you know when you need to use the whey protein? When do you add it

and what are you adding it to?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have my shake which can be 200-300 calories so that is my after workout meal.

I then wait 2-3 hours and have another meal with a protein/carb and vegetable.

Pam

Brown <simbajoy@...> wrote: Pam,

After your workout and the protein shake do you then have a meal in addition

to the shake or does that count as one meal?

I've dreamt in my life dreams that have stayed with me ever after, and changed

my ideas: they've gone through and through me, like wine through water, and

altered the colour of my mind.

Bronte

Re: Supplement Question

betagen, whey protein powder, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil, CLA,

muti-vitamin, Ester C and Viactiv calcium chews.

Pam

Jaima <jaimabrown@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

I would like to find out what kind of supplements everyone takes, if

any? I am released from my back surgery now and it is time to get

started!!!

Anyway~ I was just wondering what kind of vitamins, shakes, etc.

anybody found to be the most helpful! (Anything that suppresses

appetite would be great too, lol)!!

Tomorrow will be my first actual 'start' day...wish me luck!

Thanks,

Jaima