Hepatitis C

[Guest guest]

At 21:58 03.03.99 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi everyone, I know this is a cancer discussion group and I really enjoy

reading everyone's input. Today though, I got a call from my niece, 24

years old, to tell me she has hepatitis C. Does anyone have any information

on alternative management of this condition? I would appreciate your help!

>Thank you very much. Johanne

Hello Johanne,

There is a mailing list for Natural approach in curing Hepatitis C:

Look here:

mailing list: alternative-hepc

List-Subscribe: <mailto: alternative-hepc-subscribeONElist>

Subscribe to the list: /subscribe.cgi/alternative-hepc

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dusan. You are so resourceful. That will give hope.

Yahweh bless you!

Johanne

Re: Hepatitis C

>At 21:58 03.03.99 -0000, you wrote:

>>Hi everyone, I know this is a cancer discussion group and I really enjoy

>reading everyone's input. Today though, I got a call from my niece, 24

>years old, to tell me she has hepatitis C. Does anyone have any information

>on alternative management of this condition? I would appreciate your help!

>>Thank you very much. Johanne

>

>

>

>Hello Johanne,

>

>There is a mailing list for Natural approach in curing Hepatitis C:

>

>

>Look here:

>

>

>mailing list: alternative-hepc

>

>List-Subscribe: <mailto: alternative-hepc-subscribeONElist>

>

>

>Subscribe to the list:

/subscribe.cgi/alternative-hepc

>

[Guest guest]

> From: " Luiz Moreira "

<gingerjoe@...>

>

> To Marcus,

>

>

> If you think that any of those procedures you have mentioned

> are capable of curing Hep C then I know a good place for you.

Thanks for the kind words, .

> The truth is that if those procedures would cure I would have

> taken them long time ago.

Are you saying you have tried Dr Becks

devices/protocols? Please elaborate.

> You can fool yourself but you have

> no right to fool the others.

On the contrary, my dear . The purpose of this list

is the dissemination of information. If you can provide

information disproving Dr Becks devices/protocols, then

by all means do so. Everyone that has responded

negatively so far has had only their unsubstantiated

opinion, nopt even supported by their own personal

experiences. Dr Borman at least claimed to have had

little/no success using them on others, but from

everything else she said, it was obvious she either

didn't follow the protocols properly, or was outright

lying about it.

I can say this. I ALREADY notice a difference in my

hair, from just 1.5 weeks of the MPG being used on my

head. If this thing grows my hair back, no one will

ever hear the end of it.

Besides, I never said that this worked...I said Dr Beck

CLAIMED it did. Big difference. People on this list are

supposed to be capable of thinking for themselves.

--

Marcus

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry your Mom is ill. How are you coping? Seeing one of our loved ones ill is hard to handle, and when your ill your self!!! Please keep us informed.

(((((Gentle Hugs)))))

Helen

n a message dated 1/11/2001 12:31:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, belowskinbeauty@... writes:

Now they think that my mom has hepatitis C, from a blood transfusion. They are doing more tests. The doctor said that there aren't a lot of treatments. I hope they can do something.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Helen: You are such a sweetheart. Thank you for your care. Love, Lee

angelbear1129@... wrote:

I'm so sorry your Mom is ill. How are you coping? Seeing one of our loved ones ill is hard to handle, and when your ill your self!!! Please keep us informed.

[Guest guest]

Lee,

*hugs* I'm sorry to hear about your mom hon. I sure do hope

that things turn out okay for you all.

l harris wrote:

Now they think that my mom has hepatitis C, from a blood transfusion.

They are doing more tests. The doctor said that there aren't a lot of treatments.

I hope they can do something.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi lee

Let us know how your mum is doing? Hope all the tests come back ok and she has nothing too nasty. *hugs*

Take it easy if you can

Lots of love

Nerys

[Guest guest]

My mom's liver is shot. They will try some treatment but there is only so much they can do. She doesn't want to go to the extraordinary treatments like a liver transplant, at her age. I am going to try and visit her next month. I just have to figure out how to get up to San Francisco. I wish I wasn't sick or I could just drive.

Thanks for your concern. Love, Lee

dolphin & dragon <nerick@...> wrote: Hi lee

Let us know how your mum is doing? Hope all the tests come back ok and she has nothing too nasty. *hugs*

Take it easy if you can

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee,

I know my reply is really slow, but I am sorry to hear about your mum. Please know that I am keeping you and your Mum in my thoughts. Take care, and keep us informed, ok?

Ling

Hepatitis C

Now they think that my mom has hepatitis C, from a blood transfusion. They are doing more tests. The doctor said that there aren't a lot of treatments. I hope they can do something.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee

I am so sorry to hear your mum is so poorly *hugs* I really hope you can find a way to go visit her soon, is hard when you are ill yourself. Do you have any family or friends who could give you a lift there? Hope you figure out some way to get there.

I hope the treatment can give her some relief.

Take care as always

Lots of love

Nerys

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee,

How are you doing? And how is your mum? Any news? I know you were

kinda snowed in with problems with your son and other issues. Have

things settled for you sweetie?

(do re me fa so la te do ...... )

Much love

Aisha

[Guest guest]

I haven't really focused on hep C before. Was wondering if Chinese

medicine could help and found this treatise:

http://www.haemophilia.org.uk/traditionalchinesemedicine.html

Another article about promising enzyme therapy (using a preparation

called Phlogenzym) and hep C:

http://www.hepatitis-c.de/enzyme.htm I have read that digestive

competence equals immune competence. I thought Rosemarie's story was

interesting. Liver cleansing sounds important. J.

[Guest guest]

For anyone who has recently discovered that they have HCV, and

especially for people who have limited or no access to the internet,

there are two outstanding books. One is " The Hepatitis C Handbook " by

Dolan, which discusses various treatments, focusing strongly on

alternatives, as well as the newly published " Hepatitis C Helpbook " by

Misha Cohen and Gish M.D.. Cohen is a very well known pratitioner

of TCM (traditional Chinese medicine) in San Francisco), Gish is one of

the leading hepatologists in the U.S. A friend of mine has been under

the care of both of these people for many years and has a great deal of

respect for them. It is highly unusual for an allopathic doctor to team

up with an alternative pratitioner, but Gish has seen enough of his

patients do well on alternatives to actually consider them a viable

alternative to interferon. " Doing well " means halting progression of the

disease, while reducing or eliminating symptoms, as well as lowering

LFT's (liver enzymes) and viral load.

Most common lternatives for HCV can include any or combinations of the

following, with varying degrees of success:

TCM preparations (often include bupleurum, licorice, peony, schizandra,

astragalus, eclipta alba, artemisia capillaris )

IV protocols (vitamin C protocols, H2O2)

Ozone therapies

UV blood irradiation

Supplements (principally NAC, C, E, selenium, alpna-lipoic acid,

multi-vitamin, mushrooms, PSP, SAM-e)

Herbs (principally milk thistle, dandelion, siberian ginsing, olive leaf

extract, St. 's wort, artichoke, phyllanthus, desmodium)

Ayurvedic herbs

Hyperthermia

Oral low dose natural interferon

Thymic extracts

Colostrum

Transfer factor

Castor oil packs

MLM products: mycrohydrin, ambrotose

Moducare Sterinol

These are just off the top of my head. There are other herbs and

vitamins and minerals that are minor players in various blends, however,

I just wanted to list the main ingredients and therapies here.

Below is the type of treatment protocol that many people put themselves

on and show improvement. Unfortunately, it's difficult for most to

maintain such a schedule for more than a few months. This is from the

hepatitis pages of www.daair.org Most people end up simplifying their

protocol after the initial blast of concerted effort.

Lana

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Morning, upon rising:

In juice, mix:

1 scoop ProGreens

1 tablespoon glutamine

1 tablespoon Barley Greens (Green Magma)

1 big scoop of whey (lately, Ultimate Balance is my favorite)

2-3 scoops Nutrivir (sometimes)

1/4 - 1/2 tsp. acetylcarnitine

With:

1-2 capsules milk thistle, standardized to 80% silymarin

2-3 capsules Ecliptex (Chinese herbal combination) or Hepato-C or Clear

Heat...currently started Hepato-C

[i rotate between these, with some periods stopping]

1 vitamin ester C, 1000 mg (with rose hips)

1 capsule dandelion root

1 capsule lecithin (1200 mg; contains 420 mg phosphatidyl choline)

Currently: 1 tablet of licorice extract (glycyrrhizin)

Glass of water with 500 mg of effervescent NAC and a 1/4 tsp. sodium

ascorbate

Lunch:

1 iron-free potent multivitamin

1 capsule 300 mg alpha lipoic acid, sustained release

1 B-complex

1-2 vitamin ester C, 1000 mg

1 capsule natural vitamin E (400 IU), mixed tocopherols

1 capsule 100 mg Coenzyme Q10

1-2 capsules milk thistle, standardized to 80% silymarin

1 capsule glucosamine/chondroitin Joint Support

Afternoon (empty stomach):

[2 capsules Ecliptex (Chinese herbal combination)--as of 12/00, using 2

caps bid of Hepato-C]

1 vitamin ester C, 1000 mg

1 capsule dandelion root

Currently: 1 tablet of licorice extract (glycyrrhizin)

Glass of water with 500 mg of effervescent NAC

Evening (with food):

1 capsule milk thistle, standardized to 80% silymarin

1 capsule lecithin (1200 mg; contains 420 mg phosphatidyl choline)

1 capsule evening primrose oil (1300 mg; contains 340 mg alpha linolenic

acid (omega-3); linoleic acid (omega 6) and 190 mg oleic acid (omega 9))

1 capsule 60 mg Coenzyme Q10

2-3 capsules Ecliptex (Chinese herbal combination) or Hepato-C or Clear

Heat...currently started Hepato-C

[i rotate between these, with some periods stopping]

1 vitamin ester C, 1000 mg

Currently: 1 tablet of licorice extract (glycyrrhizin)

Periodically, I buy and use 1 bottle of glycyrrhizin. Then stop for a

few months.

Occasionally I will also use a German, apothecary grade of St. 's

wort (Lichtwehr Pharma.)

Lately I've been using S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe)--it works great but

costs an arm and a few other limbs...

> I haven't really focused on hep C before. Was wondering if Chinese

> medicine could help and found this treatise:

> http://www.haemophilia.org.uk/traditionalchinesemedicine.html

> Another article about promising enzyme therapy (using a preparation

> called Phlogenzym) and hep C:

> http://www.hepatitis-c.de/enzyme.htm I have read that digestive

> competence equals immune competence. I thought Rosemarie's story was

> interesting. Liver cleansing sounds important. J.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina, I have had hcv for approx. 30 years. I have found that ozone

applied in rectal insufflation will effectively treat it over the long

term. Not neccesarily cure it, but keep it at bay.

Another treatment is mega doses of IV Vitamin C. I have done 25-30 in

a series with excellent results.

There is a Dr here in the Wash DC area who gives them.

You would probably benefit from Castor Oil packs over the liver as

well. Try looking up Edgar Cayce in a search.

If you need more details, I'd be happy to share. you can email me

directly. Arthur

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina, I have had hcv for approx. 30 years. I have found that ozone

applied in rectal insufflation will effectively treat it over the long

term. Not neccesarily cure it, but keep it at bay.

Another treatment is mega doses of IV Vitamin C. I have done 25-30 in

a series with excellent results.

There is a Dr here in the Wash DC area who gives them.

You would probably benefit from Castor Oil packs over the liver as

well. Try looking up Edgar Cayce in a search.

If you need more details, I'd be happy to share. you can email me

directly. Arthur

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina, I have had hcv for approx. 30 years. I have found that ozone

applied in rectal insufflation will effectively treat it over the long

term. Not neccesarily cure it, but keep it at bay.

Another treatment is mega doses of IV Vitamin C. I have done 25-30 in

a series with excellent results.

There is a Dr here in the Wash DC area who gives them.

You would probably benefit from Castor Oil packs over the liver as

well. Try looking up Edgar Cayce in a search.

If you need more details, I'd be happy to share. you can email me

directly. Arthur

[Guest guest]

Tina,

There are lots of things you can do, but you will have to do them, not

just think about them, and you need to do as many of them as possible,

eventually getting to all of them. Alternative methods use a shotgun

approach, not the magic-bullet theory.

Begin by taking a lot of omega 3 fatty acids from both flax oil and fish

oils. If you have to choose, use the fish oils. You also need trace

minerals & glutathione to detox your liver. Take NAC

(n-acetyle-cysteine) for a good glutathione source. Use ConcenTrace

brand or colloidal minerals, not pill forms of minerals. Deparisitize

with herbs or electronics & do 3-4 liver flushes, a month apart. Hulda

has a good formula, and can be found on the web, or in our

archives. If you can afford a medical quality ozone generator, get one

immediately, and begin rectal insufflations, which will get ozone to the

liver, and steam saunas or cupping over the liver.

Get a book on good & bad fats & stop eating all oils that have been

heated or cooked, and this includes cooked meats! Meats can be eaten raw

if done properly. Only eat unheated good oils, like extra virgin olive

oil. Never eat a fried fast food again! Start taking 8 dried wheatgrass

pills twice a day & eating more raw veggies. Throw almost all of your

spices away! Cayenne, ginger, horseradish and other healing herbs are

your new spices.

It cannot be emphasized too strongly that you begin drinking plenty of

water, getting a lot of fresh air & sunshine, and Homozon would be an

ideal way to begin cleaning out your liver. Chase it with the juice of a

fresh lemon twice a day as the lemon helps clean out the liver also. If

you get this far, you will probably already have a healthy liver again,

as the liver is the fastest regenerating organ in the body -- if you

stop fighting against it.

jim

tinastroud4@... wrote:

>

> I just recently found out that I have Hepatitis C and I also have

> some live damage. However my liver damage is in the early stages,

> but my doctor told me that it is progressing fast. I have all of the

> symptoms of hepatitis c so therefore they did some test and i am

> positive. i also recently had a liver biopsy and that is when i

> found out that i do have some liver damage and they also saw where it

> is spreading. i have concerns about all of this and the doctors are

> talking about what my next step is. my treatments are to begin soon

> and i am not sure if i want to do the interferon. i have only heard

> bad things about it. if there is anyone that has some information

> that they would like to share with me, please do so. i am not sure

> what i am to do next. this is alot for me to swallow at one time and

> i am so confused. i am also sure that the only way that i could have

> gotten this is by getting a tattoo. now i really feel pretty stupid

> about that. please help me i need to know what my opitions are.

>

--

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people seem bright

until you hear them speak. --Lou Rubinacci

jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience

http://www.entrance.to/poetry

[Guest guest]

Those are excellent suggestions, Jim.

I would add a drink mix of :

1 whole lemon

1/2 cup Cold pressed extra virgin olive oil

Put the whole lemon in blender ; peel and all

Add oil

Fill remainder with water.

Blend

Pour through strainer and dispose of pulp.

drink one glass a day

The pectin in the peel and lemon juice will " cut " thru the oli, and

make it more readily absorbed.

This is prescribed at http://www.keephope.net for liver and other

immune problems. (more notes on hcv, and hiv)

People are said to get relief from neuropathy (muscle aches), better

appetite, and liver detox, and balancing of Ph to more alkaline.

PS. Be very concerned, but not afraid. You can reverse the problem.

[Guest guest]

I've mentioned it before but I wonder why it wouldn't

be better to use virgin coconut oil instead of olive.

The research is at:http://www.coconut-info.com/

Click on " research " .

--- alltogethernow@... wrote:

> Those are excellent suggestions, Jim.

> I would add a drink mix of :

> 1 whole lemon

> 1/2 cup Cold pressed extra virgin olive oil

> Put the whole lemon in blender ; peel and all

> Add oil

> Fill remainder with water.

> Blend

> Pour through strainer and dispose of pulp.

> drink one glass a day

>

> The pectin in the peel and lemon juice will " cut "

> thru the oli, and

> make it more readily absorbed.

> This is prescribed at http://www.keephope.net for

> liver and other

> immune problems. (more notes on hcv, and hiv)

> People are said to get relief from neuropathy

> (muscle aches), better

> appetite, and liver detox, and balancing of Ph to

> more alkaline.

>

> PS. Be very concerned, but not afraid. You can

> reverse the problem.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I've mentioned it before but I wonder why it wouldn't

be better to use virgin coconut oil instead of olive.

The research is at:http://www.coconut-info.com/

Click on " research " .

--- alltogethernow@... wrote:

> Those are excellent suggestions, Jim.

> I would add a drink mix of :

> 1 whole lemon

> 1/2 cup Cold pressed extra virgin olive oil

> Put the whole lemon in blender ; peel and all

> Add oil

> Fill remainder with water.

> Blend

> Pour through strainer and dispose of pulp.

> drink one glass a day

>

> The pectin in the peel and lemon juice will " cut "

> thru the oli, and

> make it more readily absorbed.

> This is prescribed at http://www.keephope.net for

> liver and other

> immune problems. (more notes on hcv, and hiv)

> People are said to get relief from neuropathy

> (muscle aches), better

> appetite, and liver detox, and balancing of Ph to

> more alkaline.

>

> PS. Be very concerned, but not afraid. You can

> reverse the problem.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Geoffrey,

I am Dana. Sorry to hear about the Mad Cow Disease

and HepC. Wow, don't know a whole lot about mad cow

disease. But do they not have treatment for that?

Sorry for my ignorance. Have heard of it just not to

informed on it. I am in PA, USA Dana

--- GeoffreyGaunt <geoffreyg@...> wrote:

> from Geoffrey in South Shields england

> I have Hep C which I got from factor 8 for the

> bleeding disorder Haemophilia and can not have any

> treatment for Hep C becouse of having diabetes

> angina asma high blood pressure and being deprest

> all the time .But live must go on .I live from day

> to day not noing what is to come . You may not have

> heard of CJD but i also have had a batch of factor 8

> infected with it .In england it is called mad cows

> disease .

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Geoffrey,

I am Dana. Sorry to hear about the Mad Cow Disease

and HepC. Wow, don't know a whole lot about mad cow

disease. But do they not have treatment for that?

Sorry for my ignorance. Have heard of it just not to

informed on it. I am in PA, USA Dana

--- GeoffreyGaunt <geoffreyg@...> wrote:

> from Geoffrey in South Shields england

> I have Hep C which I got from factor 8 for the

> bleeding disorder Haemophilia and can not have any

> treatment for Hep C becouse of having diabetes

> angina asma high blood pressure and being deprest

> all the time .But live must go on .I live from day

> to day not noing what is to come . You may not have

> heard of CJD but i also have had a batch of factor 8

> infected with it .In england it is called mad cows

> disease .

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My daughters brother in law had hemophilia, he was given a liver transplant,

which they don't usually do for people with hep C which he had also, but they

were experimenting on him> he is now wrote up in the medical books as it worked

and now he is taking the treatment for hepc

CAROL

Dear Lord, Either Quiet The Waves

Or Lift Me Above Them;

It's Too Late To Learn To Swim.

Crowley

[Guest guest]

My daughters brother in law had hemophilia, he was given a liver transplant,

which they don't usually do for people with hep C which he had also, but they

were experimenting on him> he is now wrote up in the medical books as it worked

and now he is taking the treatment for hepc

CAROL

Dear Lord, Either Quiet The Waves

Or Lift Me Above Them;

It's Too Late To Learn To Swim.

Crowley

[Guest guest]

My daughters brother in law had hemophilia, he was given a liver transplant,

which they don't usually do for people with hep C which he had also, but they

were experimenting on him> he is now wrote up in the medical books as it worked

and now he is taking the treatment for hepc

CAROL

Dear Lord, Either Quiet The Waves

Or Lift Me Above Them;

It's Too Late To Learn To Swim.

Crowley