years of antibiotic therapy

May 23, 2009

Hi my name is and I am new to the group. I have several question so I am

going to break them up into a few posts as Bee recommended to me. I have been

fighting candida for many years after a very long bout with Lyme Disease (8

years of antibiotics including six months of IV rocephin), which along with

chelation lead to me developing MCS. By following a lot of autism protocals, I

have slowly been crawling out a black hole the past several years. Diet has

played the biggest role. At one point I only had a couple foods I could eat.

When I became environmentally ill, it was not practical to go after the yeast

with antifungals because I was too sensitive to tolerate them, although there

were periods where I took them, but always with negative effects. Consequently,

I managed it solely through diet, which is extremely close to the one

recommended here. Given how close my diet already is to this one, I am not sure

this diet will be enough.

My first question is, is there anyone else on here who has had years of very

intensive antibiotic therapy for Lyme who has found this diet sufficient for

their super yeast infections. Most of the people I know with Lyme all went the

prescription antifungal route because this group of patients is so unique in

terms years of massive amounts of extremely powerful antibiotics. Many CFS

doctors mention benefit treating patients for at least a few months with

prescription antifungals.

I have done years of a diet very very similar to this one (I'll talk more about

this in another post), and it has kept the yeast at bay. In fact, it does not

show up in cultures unless I have an indiscretion. Whenever, a series of events

causes a flair up, I then will get outbreaks and become sensitive to things I

normally tolerate, like even low carbohydrate vegetables.

After this last flair up that occurred from seemingly innocuous things, even

stuff that is allowed on this diet, but which I do not tolerate, I decided I

wanted to consider doing more than the diet and going after the yeast. I was

exploring prescription antifungal protocols when I discovered this page. Given

my history of antibiotic use, and my following of a very similar diet as this, I

am struggling with whether to believe this will be enough to clear my candida

issues. Have there been recoveries with individuals who have used this amount of

antibiotics?

Thank you,

May 24, 2009

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> Hi my name is and I am new to the group.

++Hi . Welcome to our group. Sorry, but I've replied to your message

twice, but must be having problems, since it went into cyperspaces.

I have several question so I am going to break them up into a few posts as Bee

recommended to me. I have been fighting candida for many years after a very long

bout with Lyme Disease (8 years of antibiotics including six months of IV

rocephin), which along with chelation lead to me developing MCS. By following a

lot of autism protocals, I have slowly been crawling out a black hole the past

several years. Diet has played the biggest role. At one point I only had a

couple foods I could eat. When I became environmentally ill, it was not

practical to go after the yeast with antifungals because I was too sensitive to

tolerate them, although there were periods where I took them, but always with

negative effects. Consequently, I managed it solely through diet, which is

extremely close to the one recommended here. Given how close my diet already is

to this one, I am not sure this diet will be enough.

+++This diet is very unique because it is high in " good " fats which no other

diet would have. Fats are the main reason it works so well, because they are

important for re-constructing all cell membranes, which must be made out of 50%

saturated fat (lung cells needs 100% saturated fat), they are vital for the

functioning of the liver, gall bladder and digestion. They also pull nutrients

from foods eaten and are the best antioxidants anyone can have, which chelate

out heavy metals too.

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> My first question is, is there anyone else on here who has had years of very

intensive antibiotic therapy for Lyme who has found this diet sufficient for

their super yeast infections. Most of the people I know with Lyme all went the

prescription antifungal route because this group of patients is so unique in

terms years of massive amounts of extremely powerful antibiotics. Many CFS

doctors mention benefit treating patients for at least a few months with

prescription antifungals.

+++There have been many members of this group who have battled Lymes disease

during the time their health was deteriorating. My own brother (61 years old)

had Lyme's, West Nile Virus, psoriasis, and Crohn's Disease for over 20 years,

for which he taken intensive antibiotics. After 20 months on my program his

diarrhea finally stopped; that is the time it takes to heal naturally, which is

1 month for every year a person has been unhealthy - see Hering's Law of Cure:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal7.php

> I have done years of a diet very very similar to this one (I'll talk more

about this in another post), and it has kept the yeast at bay. In fact, it does

not show up in cultures unless I have an indiscretion. Whenever, a series of

events causes a flair up, I then will get outbreaks and become sensitive to

things I normally tolerate, like even low carbohydrate vegetables.

+++The reason your previous program didn't help is because they are focused on

killing off candida, but candida isn't cured that way, nor is any other disease,

malfunction, illness, etc. They are only cured by building up the immune

system, mainly with " proper nutrients " so the body can heal itself naturally.

This diet plus supplements provides those nutrients.

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<snip> Have there been recoveries with individuals who have used this amount of

antibiotics?

+++Of course there have been recoveries. That is because your body is capable

of healing itself naturally, but it " must have " the proper set of nutrients (and

eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida) to do its job. This is where

you can learn about natural healing and what it takes to get healthy. See these

many Success Stories by members of this group:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

+++This program is more than just a candida program, since it has proved to heal

the entire body.

+++First, please read the articles emailed to you when you joined, which are

" required reading " for this group, so they can ask appropriate questions after

they understand what this group is all about, and so they understand the rules

and how this group works. If you don't have them please read 2 main articles:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

The best in health, Bee

May 24, 2009

Hi Bee,

Thank you for responding to my post

I actually have been following a very high fat diet, and all the fats you

recommend and none of the ones you don't. I have always been intolerant to omega

6 fatty acids unless they are in the original food source like meat. I read

Sally Fallen's book many years ago in which I learned a lot about the Price

foundation and the role of saturated fats. Really the only things I have been

doing that are not a part of the diet are kombucha, strained SCD yogurt and one

or two supplments. I also am able to take six tablespoonds of the coconut oil

with no die off. The diet itself gives me no die off, just relief. IT is really

quite similar to what I was already doing - a low carb, moderate meat, high fat

diet.I was taking a little less fat than you reccommend, but was easily able to

increase this with no effect.

I just gave up kombucha, for a couple of reasons, including your website's

recommendation. But I do not regret taking it for the year that I did. It

cleared my chemical sensitivities by about fifty percent, which was really

important or I wouldn't even be able to tolerate the coconut oil like I do now.

I went from being completely bed bound and unable to leave the home to being

able to go back to school. Saturated fats speed up liver phase one detox

enzymes, which are already dangerously overreved up in me, which is common in

chemical sensitivites. So for many years I could not eat them. But after doing

the kombucha I can. However, I am giving the kombucha up now because of the

caffeine, and to see whether the yeast will improve further off of it. For the

most part, I did not got yeast symptoms from it, especially when i would let it

sit on the counter an extra day, which would ferment out much of the remaining

carbohydrates. But I do believe there is a time and place to take everything.

And I contribute 50 percent of my healing to kombucha.

I also have gotten much of the way well on what I have done. The strained SCD

yogurt gives me perfectly normal bowel movements. It has played a huge role in

healing my gut, which is why I am very reluctant to give it up. The SCD yogurt

also was the only thing that put my good bacteria into normal range on a stool

test, as well as most of the other parameters including fat absorption, PH, etc.

The sauerkraut, although it helped, never was able to do this. I also am unable

to take probiotics because I have a blastocystis hominis protozoa infection in

my small intestants where probiotics are counterindicated. Blastocysistic

actually feeds on probiotics. However, fermented foods do not cause this

problem because of the antimicrobial components created by the fermentation

process. Unfortunately,I cannot rely only on the sauerkraut because it is too

high in sulfur for me to tolerate in more than just very small doses. I have a

genetic defect in my sulfur chemistry that was found through genetic testing

that helps me understand my I have to really moderate my ingestion of sulfur

foods. I was also chemically injured by a sulfur drug many years ago before I

went all alternative, which is a big reason I am cehmically sensitive. Epson

salt baths help with this to some degree because the sulfate in them is what is

used to detoxify the sulfur compounds in cruciferous veggies through the

sulfation pathway. I used to not be able to eat these at all before I started

the epson salt baths. Now I can eat them in moderation. But the sauerkraut is

particularly strong, and I can only do it occassionally.

I also did read all the articles that were sent to me and spent a good evening

reading through the website, which has a lot of good information and ideas.

However, I am remain unconvinced about the yogurt given how much it has helped

me. I understand that there is galactose in yogurt, but isn't this removed from

straining for 24 hours, which is what I do. By the time I strain it, all is left

is an extremely thick cream.

And I did read the success stories, but did not see any from anyone who had been

on as extensive antibiotic therapy as I have, which is why I wanted to ask

whether others with Lyme Disease had resolved through candida through this diet.

I think antiobiotics taken on and off for sinus infections or things like that

are quite different from years of tripple antibiotic therapy and months of IV

antibiotics. I am glad to know your brother so greatly improved.

Also my diet/protocal has not been focused on killing the yeast. Actually I

stopped antifungals (natural as well as prescription) a while back when I

realized that they were actually perpetuating the problem. I have relied almost

entirely on diet and fermented foods to balance my health.I only occassionally

take them when I have a flare from stress or from taking a supplement that I did

not realize would trigger a problem.

Thank you again for responding. Best wishes to you as well,

May 25, 2009

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> Hi Bee,

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> Thank you for responding to my post

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> I actually have been following a very high fat diet, and all the fats you