Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 NO NO NO! The reason the toxins are in your fat is because your organs cannot handle excreting them. I reduced my fat drastically and got worse. CFS is worse among then people, Cheny once said. When you lower body fat the fattest part left is your brain so you can redistribute there. Adding body fat is a good idea for most people. I have felt better doing this myself. It also depends on how you get the fat, just eating sugar and carbs would not be good. Happy New Year Toxins in Fat Hi! Mike I agree with you completely. I also understand that toxins are stored in fat, so it makes sense that by getting rid of the fat, you would also reduce the toxins in your system. I wish I had lost weight, but I've gained about 20 lbs during the past three years and I was 20 lbs overweight when I got ill, so I should weigh 40 lbs less than I do. That is actually what I am working on now (not too successfully), but feel that it is the next step in getting healthier and also more active. The 'Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan' is supposed to help reduce fat, in conjunction with providing more energy and help with kidneys and spleen. It costs about $3.00 a week, so is worth a try. It gives me more energy, but that's all I've noticed so far. If it works, I'll let you know. Merle kmcamp222000 wrote: > Merle, thanks for the update. Let me ask a question. Did you ever > lose weight from 1997 (bedbound) to the present? The reason I ask is > that since toxins are stored more in fat, I have a (weak) theory that > the less body fat one has, the better that one might feel. TIA. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 Hi All, My own experience is that I feel much better since lowering my bodyfat content. A few years ago I went from 175 pounds to around 120, which seems to be my ideal weight. Then, when I had breast cancer 18 months ago, I got down to under 110 and was very bony and looked really bad, but now I'm around 120 again and though the fatigue remains unchanged, in general I feel better. I also feel much better since starting a regular exercise program, which I began around the same time I began losing weight and my fibromyalgia is almost completely gone except for the mysterious chest pain I've had since my initial mycoplasma infection many years ago. I'd be careful about advice that says that CFS'ers should not lose bodyfat. There is so much evidence that obesity is really unhealthy, it seems to me we should do the best we can to become as healthy as possible and not exacerbate an already fragile situation. Anyway, that's my hit on it and I wish everyone on this list a happy new year. Bonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 I agree with all of this about fat - anecdotally, I have noticed that people who lost weight when they got sick (sort of a CFIDS wasting syndrome) tend to be the sickest, and some doctors - as mentioned - have also observed this. It may very well be that the body gains weight in order to deal with toxin overload. The brain is comprised almost entirely of lipids - fats. In a nutshell, what Vonderplanitz and other fat advocates say is that it takes mobile, raw fats to help remove toxins from the body, as they will bind to toxins and help escort them out. But these fat advocates also advocate eating raw (uncooked, unpasteurized) fats in particular. I found that when I increased my intake of things like raw butter (which I was making for awhile, and now found in my local natural foods supermarket), raw cheeses, avocados, cold-pressed oils, and other raw fats, I did feel better but I also at times felt like I was detoxing too quickly. It's something to be careful with. There are several books written about the benefits of " good " fats. I certainly think it is not as simplistic as fat=bad and thin=good. Peggy In a message dated 1/1/02 12:10:11 AM, writes: << Subject: Re: Re: Toxins in Fat - Hess The brain is very fatty. If you lose fat from your body the brain can have the highest concentration of fat in your body and you may store toxins there. I eat meat, butter, avocado, olive oil, coconut, eggs. If you want details look up Aajanus Vonderplanitz on the web. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 >From: Hess <bmfb@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Toxins in Fat >Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 08:47:25 -0800 > I agree lost about 15 pounds in the last 2 years. I do feel a bit better >energetically. My MCS keeps getting worse and worse tho - but it was doing >that before I lost the weight. I actually lost the weight because I had a >bad chemical exposure which left me unable to eat normal sized meals >without nausea. If you lose the fat and toxins are stored in the fat - >where do they go? If your body cannot detox them then they go somewhere >else in the body - not a pleasant thought, considering fat is a fairly >innocuous place to store toxins. Many people, however, get substantial >relief from fasting. Fasting in fact is the one of the best ways to deal >with single chemical exposures. How well fasting works with CFS I really >don't know. It was successful for me. The body stops having to working on >breaking down food and concentrates on cleansing. Short controlled fasts >may be very helpful. Some people they can make worse however! You have to >take it easy. Enemas, enzymes. and high fiber diets may help detoxify the >most toxic area of the body - the gut. I just read the below reply. I do remember Cheney saying the sickest patients were the skinniest. As always nothing is easy in this disease. >NO NO NO! The reason the toxins are in your fat is because your organs >cannot handle excreting them. I reduced my fat drastically and got worse. >CFS is worse among then people, Cheny once said. When you lower body fat >the fattest part left is your brain so you can redistribute there. Adding >body fat is a good idea for most people. I have felt better doing this >myself. It also depends on how you get the fat, just eating sugar and carbs >would not be good. > >Happy New Year > > > Toxins in Fat > > > Hi! Mike > > I agree with you completely. I also understand that toxins are stored in >fat, so it makes sense that by getting rid of the fat, you would also >reduce the toxins in your system. > > I wish I had lost weight, but I've gained about 20 lbs during the past >three years and I was 20 lbs overweight when I got ill, so I should weigh >40 lbs less than I do. > > That is actually what I am working on now (not too successfully), but >feel that it is the next step in getting healthier and also more active. > > The 'Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan' is supposed to help reduce fat, in conjunction >with providing more energy and help with kidneys and spleen. It costs about >$3.00 a week, so is worth a try. It gives me > more energy, but that's all I've noticed so far. If it works, I'll let >you know. > > Merle > > kmcamp222000 wrote: > > > Merle, thanks for the update. Let me ask a question. Did you ever > > lose weight from 1997 (bedbound) to the present? The reason I ask is > > that since toxins are stored more in fat, I have a (weak) theory that > > the less body fat one has, the better that one might feel. TIA. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 , Happy New Year to you and everyone as well. Hey, I said it was a *weak* theory. My weight loss continues although in general I am feeling better, so I thought there might be a postive correlation between weight loss and improvement. How do/did you add body fat? Any liquid ideas (like ensure) would be appreciated as I have trouble digesting almost all solid foods. Mike > NO NO NO! The reason the toxins are in your fat is because your organs cannot handle excreting them. I reduced my fat drastically and got worse. CFS is worse among then people, Cheny once said. When you lower body fat the fattest part left is your brain so you can redistribute there. Adding body fat is a good idea for most people. I have felt better doing this myself. It also depends on how you get the fat, just eating sugar and carbs would not be good. > > Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2009 Report Share Posted May 4, 2009 If your body creates fat to store the toxin release, how do you rid yourself of the new fat with the toxins? Just by supplements and diet? Not worried, but interesting to see the initial weight loss come back in full with the added daily fat intake... Should I add light exercise and reduce portion size while increasing fat to prevent further gain? Thanks, Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2009 Report Share Posted May 5, 2009 > > If your body creates fat to store the toxin release, how do you rid yourself of the new fat with the toxins? Just by supplements and diet? > > Not worried, but interesting to see the initial weight loss come back in full with the added daily fat intake... > > Should I add light exercise and reduce portion size while increasing fat to prevent further gain? +++Hi Amy. Yes, you get rid of toxins in fatty tissues just by doing the program, whether it is in new fat or old fat. I've found many people are " retracing " their weight loss and gains, so don't be concerned about weight fluctuations on this program. You should be doing light exercises like dry skin brushing or walking or rebounding on a trampoline anyway, which help your body detoxify, along with coffee enemas, Epsom salt baths, Electrolyte Drink, etc. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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