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Does anyone on this list have any idea what can cause kidney pain besides oxalic

acid crystals? Husband is still suffering from pain in left kidney area after

the black walnut/wormwood tincture he used for parasite cleansing.

Any idea on tests he should consider if he decides to go to a doctor? We

generally stay away from anyone who is not a naturopathic doctor, but may

consider just having some testing done. Any other suggestions are appreciated!

Thanks,

Patty

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In the chance that there are kidney stones:

Be sure to take magnesium and B6 every day for the rest of your life.

Also, for acute pain, drink the juice of several lemons. This might work

immediately.

Acupuncture helped my dad, but we were also giving him nutrition too.

Of course, if there is another cause, like gas around the kidney, these

measures would not help. In that case, the parasite cleansing might have

bothered the digestive tract and he should take appropriate healing

products - aloe vera, goldenseal, anything soothing. For gas pockets,

the product Gas-X helps in a pinch. Charcoal does too.

If there is blood or mucus in the stool, I would go that route.

A good chiropractic adjustment is in order if it is coming from the back.

It would work on the kidneys through somato-visceral reflexes.

> Does anyone on this list have any idea what can cause kidney pain besides

oxalic acid crystals? Husband is still suffering from pain in left kidney

area after the black walnut/wormwood tincture he used for parasite

cleansing.

>

> Any idea on tests he should consider if he decides to go to a doctor? We

generally stay away from anyone who is not a naturopathic doctor, but may

consider just having some testing done. Any other suggestions are

appreciated!

> Thanks,

> Patty

>

>

>

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Patty wrote:

>

> Does anyone on this list have any idea what can cause kidney pain besides

oxalic acid crystals? Husband is still suffering from pain in left kidney area

after the black walnut/wormwood tincture he used for parasite cleansing.

>

> Any idea on tests he should consider if he decides to go to a doctor? We

generally stay away from anyone who is not a naturopathic doctor, but may

consider just having some testing done. Any other suggestions are appreciated!

Hi Patty,

I wish I knew for sure what caused it, but I sure HAD it last spring.

After 4 nights of heating pad and other measures I finally went to my

orthodox physician. A quick urinalysis revealed a lot of infection and

blood. since I had no bladder symptoms and a history of kidney disease

in my family this scared me enough to agree to take Macrobid for 10

days. 4th day and the pain disappeared. by the 8th day I was feeling

better than I had in several years. 2 days off the abx and I felt like

my ususl lousy self! More pain about 8 days later. I had gotten my own

test strips at this point and knew there was some infection and still

the blood. Like a blooming idiot I agreed to Cipro. NEVER again. 4 days

on that stuff and I knew I'd rather be dead, so I ceased it immediately.

I upped my magnesium and b-6(which I had been taking since first onset

of pain), lots of natural " abx " and by the time I got to the urologist I

was symptom free and infection free. However the blood was still showing

up on testing. One x-ray and one ultrasound later, showing 'normal', 2

more scopes from the urologist and we've decided I may have passed a

stone, who knows, and I still have blood all the time. He said it could

just be of idiopathic origin (translation, nobody knows why but since

you're fine, we'll ignore it).

Two weeks ago the ^($^ & # pain returned, no trace of infection. THIS time

I took mg and b-6 till it was practically coming out my ears, and all

sorts of kidney herbs, vit A and godknowwswhatelse, and in 2 days all

symptoms disappeared.

Oh, and I drink tons of water all the time,and had been doing so before

the first episode. My guess? I just need a LOT of magnesium, a lot more

than I had been accustomed to taking.

About 15 years ago I took a seminar on magnetic healing with the late

Dr. Broeringmeier and at that time my left kidney tested 'low', in other

words, I could be using SOUTH pole energy, but I've always been nervous

about doing that and have not done so. Fortunately too, because with

infection I could've really messed up that kidney.

While I was reading up on 'everything kidney' I did come across the info

that in a few cases there are calcium phosphate stones, but I couldn't

find any more about it. But magnesium should balance excess phosphorus

as well.

If you get any diagnosis of the cause of your husband's pain, I hope you

post it here.

Good luck,

Sharon

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Dear Patty,

It just might be that he stirred up a nest of parasites in the kidney and

they are

not going quietly.

Alternately, there could be a bacterial infection there.

Better get a naturopath to have a look.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

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> Does anyone on this list have any idea what can cause kidney pain besides

oxalic acid crystals? Husband is still suffering from pain in left kidney

area after the black walnut/wormwood tincture he used for parasite

cleansing.

>

> Any idea on tests he should consider if he decides to go to a doctor? We

generally stay away from anyone who is not a naturopathic doctor, but may

consider just having some testing done. Any other suggestions are

appreciated!

> Thanks,

> Patty

>

>

>

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Dear Sharon,

The other thing you could try is lots of flax oil, which is the kidney's

best friend.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Re: Fw: Kidney pain

> Patty wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone on this list have any idea what can cause kidney pain

besides oxalic acid crystals? Husband is still suffering from pain in left

kidney area after the black walnut/wormwood tincture he used for parasite

cleansing.

> >

> > Any idea on tests he should consider if he decides to go to a doctor?

We generally stay away from anyone who is not a naturopathic doctor, but may

consider just having some testing done. Any other suggestions are

appreciated!

>

> Hi Patty,

>

> I wish I knew for sure what caused it, but I sure HAD it last spring.

> After 4 nights of heating pad and other measures I finally went to my

> orthodox physician. A quick urinalysis revealed a lot of infection and

> blood. since I had no bladder symptoms and a history of kidney disease

> in my family this scared me enough to agree to take Macrobid for 10

> days. 4th day and the pain disappeared. by the 8th day I was feeling

> better than I had in several years. 2 days off the abx and I felt like

> my ususl lousy self! More pain about 8 days later. I had gotten my own

> test strips at this point and knew there was some infection and still

> the blood. Like a blooming idiot I agreed to Cipro. NEVER again. 4 days

> on that stuff and I knew I'd rather be dead, so I ceased it immediately.

> I upped my magnesium and b-6(which I had been taking since first onset

> of pain), lots of natural " abx " and by the time I got to the urologist I

> was symptom free and infection free. However the blood was still showing

> up on testing. One x-ray and one ultrasound later, showing 'normal', 2

> more scopes from the urologist and we've decided I may have passed a

> stone, who knows, and I still have blood all the time. He said it could

> just be of idiopathic origin (translation, nobody knows why but since

> you're fine, we'll ignore it).

> Two weeks ago the ^($^ & # pain returned, no trace of infection. THIS time

> I took mg and b-6 till it was practically coming out my ears, and all

> sorts of kidney herbs, vit A and godknowwswhatelse, and in 2 days all

> symptoms disappeared.

> Oh, and I drink tons of water all the time,and had been doing so before

> the first episode. My guess? I just need a LOT of magnesium, a lot more

> than I had been accustomed to taking.

>

> About 15 years ago I took a seminar on magnetic healing with the late

> Dr. Broeringmeier and at that time my left kidney tested 'low', in other

> words, I could be using SOUTH pole energy, but I've always been nervous

> about doing that and have not done so. Fortunately too, because with

> infection I could've really messed up that kidney.

>

> While I was reading up on 'everything kidney' I did come across the info

> that in a few cases there are calcium phosphate stones, but I couldn't

> find any more about it. But magnesium should balance excess phosphorus

> as well.

>

> If you get any diagnosis of the cause of your husband's pain, I hope you

> post it here.

>

> Good luck,

> Sharon

>

>

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> Oh, and I drink tons of water all the time,and had been doing so before

> the first episode. My guess? I just need a LOT of magnesium, a lot more

> than I had been accustomed to taking.

Sharon,

Thank you so much for sharing all of your experiences regarding your

kidneys--w will take all of that into consideration. One question, though.

When you took the extra magnesium, did you also up your intake of calcium?

It was my understanding that calcium and magnesium should be taken in a 2:1

ratio.

Thoughts, anyone?

Thanks again!

Patty

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Patty,

Along Moria's line of thinking, apple cider vinegar & honey is very good

for kidneys. It cleans out the oxylates. Both have to be raw, unfiltered

& unpasteurized. 1 tsp each to a glass of water. 3-5 times a day.

jim :)

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>

> Hi Patty,

>

> Off hand, and knowing NOTHING special about kidneys,

> it seems like a kidney cleanse would be good???

> Or taking the kidney cleanse herbs at least.

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> Off hand, and knowing NOTHING special about kidneys,

> it seems like a kidney cleanse would be good???

> Or taking the kidney cleanse herbs at least.

Hi Moria,

Yes, my husband has done the kidney cleanse numerous times. In fact, it was

the only thing that got rid of his back pain after he suffered for years

prior to this latest episode. He is a firm believer in the kidney cleanse.

But so far, it hasn't worked this time. It just got really bad after he

took the black walnut tincture. So he is looking at other options right

now, and just upped his intake of magnesium. We'll keep you posted on the

results if anything works really good!

Thanks!

Patty

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He may just have a massive infection, in which case FRESH

colloidal silver has been known to knock these out in a day.

Re: kidney pain

> > Off hand, and knowing NOTHING special about kidneys,

> > it seems like a kidney cleanse would be good???

> > Or taking the kidney cleanse herbs at least.

>

> Hi Moria,

> Yes, my husband has done the kidney cleanse numerous

times. In fact, it was

> the only thing that got rid of his back pain after he

suffered for years

> prior to this latest episode. He is a firm believer in

the kidney cleanse.

> But so far, it hasn't worked this time. It just got

really bad after he

> took the black walnut tincture. So he is looking at other

options right

> now, and just upped his intake of magnesium. We'll keep

you posted on the

> results if anything works really good!

> Thanks!

> Patty

>

>

>

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Patty-

Black Walnut tincture is one of the parasite killers, right? Is it

possible that your husband is doing some damage to some beasites? And

the pain is from their reaction to the tincture? Just a thought.

I Bless You and Bless You for the Goodness of God Which is at Work

Within You,

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MSM, a sulfer compound, may give relief, usually very quickly.

I use anything from a teaspoonful to a tablespoon.

" The Miracle of MSM " by a couple of research doctors can bring you up to speed.

or a quick search on the internet has many websites.

Beyond-a-Century has good bulk prices (about $15 lb)

Chuck

Give me that REAL old-time religion--Isis, Astarte, , Hecate, Demeter,

Kali, Danu, Inanna!

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:21:06 -0700, " Patty " <faussettdp@...> wrote:

>Yes, my husband has done the kidney cleanse numerous times. In fact, it was

>the only thing that got rid of his back pain after he suffered for years

>prior to this latest episode. He is a firm believer in the kidney cleanse.

>But so far, it hasn't worked this time. It just got really bad after he

>took the black walnut tincture. So he is looking at other options right

>now, and just upped his intake of magnesium. We'll keep you posted on the

>results if anything works really good!

>Thanks!

>Patty

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> Sharon,

> Thank you so much for sharing all of your experiences regarding your

> kidneys--w will take all of that into consideration. One question, though.

> When you took the extra magnesium, did you also up your intake of calcium?

> It was my understanding that calcium and magnesium should be taken in a 2:1

> ratio.

Patty,

It *might* be more accurate to say that the ratio is ideal *inside* the

body's chemistry.

Unless you know your mineral status/ratio, usually by means of a hair

analysis(there are now blood tests for mg) you could further imbalance

your minerals by this kind of guesswork.

I know, I know, it's crazy making! And to make matters worse, there is

some new research coming out hinting that the mg should be even higher

than 2:1 calc/mg!

In the typical western diet we usually consume far more calcium than mg,

i.e., mega dairy as opposed to green leafy vegetables, nuts and seeds.

For the kidney pain, I just went with the idea that mg is frequently out

of balance and megadosed it. It worked. If I hadn't had the symptoms

that usually indicate a mg need, I would never have taken so much.

When something in the body is yelling for attention I go with what I

know or can find out. It becomes an intuitive art based on some science!

The 'science' told me that kidney stones usually have a calcium

component, ergo---no calcium to be taken.

I hope you both find YOUR answer!

Sharon

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Thanks for all the posts for my husband's kidney pain...they are all very

much appreciated. He is doing the apple cider vinegar drinks and taking

more magnesium. I do have a tub of MSM in my cupboard that is not being

used....I should add that to his arsenal of nutritional weaponry! I'll keep

you posted if there are any significant changes.....

Patty

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Hi Sharon and Patty;

In my Life Extensions book (1981, Durke Pearson, Sandy Shaw) it says that an

ideal ratio IS closer to1:1 Mg to Ca.

It's not new research, but the data WAS suppressed/ignored/obfusticated for

12 years as was practically ALL of Life Extension Foundations research,

while the foundation was under 'investigation' by the FDA. And like Dr.

's case, this case, too, was dropped.

Life Extension was a runaway bestseller in 1981. There's a copy in the

local bookstore for only $3.00 CA. Best book on clinical nutrition. Anyone

want it?

ciao

Duncan

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Dear Sharon,

It is true that most people are short magnesium.

Homozon is a very good way to make that up. Solves a lot of other problems

too,

like episodic constipation, a common problem for women.

Concentrace is another good source.

But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too much.

The reason is that when there is a deficiency, parathyroid hormone is

released, and the body makes a withdrawal from the calcium bank : the

skeleton,

home to 95% of the calcium in the body.

Then, since the process is not precise, there is usually an overshoot, with

too much

calcium now available. The body has two choices : redeposit in another

locale (leading

to arthritis, MS, scleroderma, kidney stones, and many other diseases) or

excrete it.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Re: Fw: Kidney pain

> Patty wrote:

>

> > Sharon,

> > Thank you so much for sharing all of your experiences regarding your

> > kidneys--w will take all of that into consideration. One question,

though.

> > When you took the extra magnesium, did you also up your intake of

calcium?

> > It was my understanding that calcium and magnesium should be taken in a

2:1

> > ratio.

>

> Patty,

>

> It *might* be more accurate to say that the ratio is ideal *inside* the

> body's chemistry.

> Unless you know your mineral status/ratio, usually by means of a hair

> analysis(there are now blood tests for mg) you could further imbalance

> your minerals by this kind of guesswork.

> I know, I know, it's crazy making! And to make matters worse, there is

> some new research coming out hinting that the mg should be even higher

> than 2:1 calc/mg!

>

> In the typical western diet we usually consume far more calcium than mg,

> i.e., mega dairy as opposed to green leafy vegetables, nuts and seeds.

>

> For the kidney pain, I just went with the idea that mg is frequently out

> of balance and megadosed it. It worked. If I hadn't had the symptoms

> that usually indicate a mg need, I would never have taken so much.

>

> When something in the body is yelling for attention I go with what I

> know or can find out. It becomes an intuitive art based on some science!

> The 'science' told me that kidney stones usually have a calcium

> component, ergo---no calcium to be taken.

>

> I hope you both find YOUR answer!

>

> Sharon

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

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> But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

> arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too

much......

The body has two choices : redeposit in another

> locale (leading

> to arthritis, MS, scleroderma, kidney stones, and many other diseases) or

> excrete it.

If you remedy this imbalance with supplements, are these conditions

reversible ?Any recommendations on the best calcium supplements?

Patty

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Dear Patty,

All of these conditions are reversible.

The best calcium/magnesium/Vitamin D/zinc

supplement I have found is made by Flora.

It should be in your local health food store. It is not cheap, but it is

an easy-to-take liquid, and it is 100% available.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

email: saul@...

" The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that created

them " . - Einstein

Re: Fw: Kidney pain

>

> > But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

> > arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too

> much......

> The body has two choices : redeposit in another

> > locale (leading

> > to arthritis, MS, scleroderma, kidney stones, and many other diseases)

or

> > excrete it.

>

> If you remedy this imbalance with supplements, are these conditions

> reversible ?Any recommendations on the best calcium supplements?

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

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Flora must be a good company, because their

Flor-Essence Tea has kicked several cancer

butts in my family. Two relatives - cured.

:o)

> All of these conditions are reversible.

>

> The best calcium/magnesium/Vitamin D/zinc

> supplement I have found is made by Flora.

>

> It should be in your local health food store. It is not cheap, but it is

> an easy-to-take liquid, and it is 100% available.

>

> Best of Health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

>

> URL: http://www.plasmafire.com

> email: saul@...

>

> " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that

created

> them " . - Einstein

>

>

> Re: Fw: Kidney pain

>

>

> >

> > > But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

> > > arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too

> > much......

> > The body has two choices : redeposit in another

> > > locale (leading

> > > to arthritis, MS, scleroderma, kidney stones, and many other diseases)

> or

> > > excrete it.

> >

> > If you remedy this imbalance with supplements, are these conditions

> > reversible ?Any recommendations on the best calcium supplements?

> > Patty

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> other alternative self-help subjects.

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> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

h

> old yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

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Dear Saul,

Once again you've opened my eyes to something new. Do you

know what kind of testing would best determine one's

vitamin/mineral deficiencies? Would a hair analysis be enough? Or

is there a more comprehenisve test?

Thanks,

> Dear Sharon,

>

> It is true that most people are short magnesium.

> Homozon is a very good way to make that up. Solves a lot of other

> problems too, like episodic constipation, a common problem for women.

> Concentrace is another good source.

>

> But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

> arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too

> much.

>

> The reason is that when there is a deficiency, parathyroid hormone is

> released, and the body makes a withdrawal from the calcium bank : the

> skeleton, home to 95% of the calcium in the body.

>

> Then, since the process is not precise, there is usually an overshoot,

> with too much calcium now available. The body has two choices :

> redeposit in another locale (leading to arthritis, MS, scleroderma,

> kidney stones, and many other diseases) or excrete it.

>

> Best of Health!

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> created them " . - Einstein

>

>

> Re: Fw: Kidney pain

>

>

> > Patty wrote:

> >

> > > Sharon,

> > > Thank you so much for sharing all of your experiences regarding

> > > your kidneys--w will take all of that into consideration. One

> > > question,

> though.

> > > When you took the extra magnesium, did you also up your intake of

> calcium?

> > > It was my understanding that calcium and magnesium should be taken

> > > in a

> 2:1

> > > ratio.

> >

> > Patty,

> >

> > It *might* be more accurate to say that the ratio is ideal *inside*

> > the body's chemistry. Unless you know your mineral status/ratio,

> > usually by means of a hair analysis(there are now blood tests for

> > mg) you could further imbalance your minerals by this kind of

> > guesswork. I know, I know, it's crazy making! And to make matters

> > worse, there is some new research coming out hinting that the mg

> > should be even higher than 2:1 calc/mg!

> >

> > In the typical western diet we usually consume far more calcium than

> > mg, i.e., mega dairy as opposed to green leafy vegetables, nuts and

> > seeds.

> >

> > For the kidney pain, I just went with the idea that mg is frequently

> > out of balance and megadosed it. It worked. If I hadn't had the

> > symptoms that usually indicate a mg need, I would never have taken

> > so much.

> >

> > When something in the body is yelling for attention I go with what I

> > know or can find out. It becomes an intuitive art based on some

> > science! The 'science' told me that kidney stones usually have a

> > calcium component, ergo---no calcium to be taken.

> >

> > I hope you both find YOUR answer!

> >

> > Sharon

> >

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,

If you don't mind talking about this, what type of cancer were

your two family members dealing with? I have a friend at work who's

husband has a cancer in his lung and lymph. This friend is new to

the idea of alternative meds, but open to it. Perhaps the flora-

essence might be a easier to accept point of departure for them.

Thanks,

> Flora must be a good company, because their

> Flor-Essence Tea has kicked several cancer

> butts in my family. Two relatives - cured.

> :o)

>

>

> > All of these conditions are reversible.

> >

> > The best calcium/magnesium/Vitamin D/zinc

> > supplement I have found is made by Flora.

> >

> > It should be in your local health food store. It is not cheap, but

> > it is an easy-to-take liquid, and it is 100% available.

> >

> > Best of Health!

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> >

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> > email: saul@...

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> > " The problems of today cannot be solved using the same thinking that

> created

> > them " . - Einstein

> >

> >

> > Re: Fw: Kidney pain

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone

> > > > spurs, arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE

> > > > calcium, not too

> > > much......

> > > The body has two choices : redeposit in another

> > > > locale (leading

> > > > to arthritis, MS, scleroderma, kidney stones, and many other

> > > > diseases)

> > or

> > > > excrete it.

> > >

> > > If you remedy this imbalance with supplements, are these

> > > conditions reversible ?Any recommendations on the best calcium

> > > supplements? Patty

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Saul Pressman wrote:

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> Dear Sharon,

>

> It is true that most people are short magnesium.

> Homozon is a very good way to make that up. Solves a lot of other problems

> too,

> like episodic constipation, a common problem for women.

Well, since I'm definitly a most uncommon woman<G>, that has been the

big reason why I haven't used Homozon beyond my original

experimentation.

> Concentrace is another good source.

this I do use, frequently.

>

> But, calcium deposition anywhere in the body (kidneys, bone spurs,

> arteries, joints) is always a symptom of TOO LITTLE calcium, not too much.

I *think* that even with too little calcium, if it's in proper ratio

with phosphorus, it will NOT deposit but stay in solution. Which brings

me to the question of exactly *how* MG works with CA? Is there a brief

biochemistry lesson in anyone's head?

>

> The reason is that when there is a deficiency, parathyroid hormone is

> released, and the body makes a withdrawal from the calcium bank : the

> skeleton,

> home to 95% of the calcium in the body.

And that reminds me of Dr. Royal Lee, who many years ago claimed that D3

would act just like the parathyroid. D3 is very important for bone

building so how does this relate to the parathyroid hormone being

released? Perhaps Lee meant that D3 would prevent that unwanted release?

having fun learning,

Sharon

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Hi Vicki,

If the pain source is his stomach, Kombucha might be very helpful

however if it is his kidneys, I would be very careful in suggesting

Kombucha.

Kombucha is great for stomach and intestinal problems. It is a

wonderful aid to healthy digestion. OTOH Kombucha filters toxins

through the kidneys, especially when you first start using it, and if

there is already a problem with the kidneys it might do more harm than

good to add Kombucha. There may be some situations where Kombucha

would help kidney problems but it would be better to know what is

going on with the kidneys first, if possible.

In any case, anyone first starting Kombucha, especially anyone with

health issues, would do well to start slowly with a small amount and

increase slowly. It is also very important to drink plain water and

that again has to do with the kidneys filtering toxins as well as to

keep the body hydrated.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

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<vickilittle@...> wrote:

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> Hi group. I have a friend who has stomach (at least we think it is

> coming from his stomach) pain that is being referred to his back and

> kidney area. He has had this pain for several months and has had many

> tests done to determine the cause and nothing can be found. I want to

> suggest KT, but hesitate because non-believers think you are a nut case

> when I suggest it for things. Has anyone had a pain like this, in the

> kidney area, that KT helped? Also, if so, how long did you have to

> drink the tea before the pain went away. I have no doubt that it will

> work, but does anyone have personal experience with this problem?

> thanks to anyone who can help. Vicki

>

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Hi Vicki,

If the pain source is his stomach, Kombucha might be very helpful

however if it is his kidneys, I would be very careful in suggesting

Kombucha.

Kombucha is great for stomach and intestinal problems. It is a

wonderful aid to healthy digestion. OTOH Kombucha filters toxins

through the kidneys, especially when you first start using it, and if

there is already a problem with the kidneys it might do more harm than

good to add Kombucha. There may be some situations where Kombucha

would help kidney problems but it would be better to know what is

going on with the kidneys first, if possible.

In any case, anyone first starting Kombucha, especially anyone with

health issues, would do well to start slowly with a small amount and

increase slowly. It is also very important to drink plain water and

that again has to do with the kidneys filtering toxins as well as to

keep the body hydrated.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

& #65279; & #65279; & #65279; & #65279;

MANNA INTERNATIONAL

Kombucha Manna Drops

Manna Green and White Tea Extract

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<vickilittle@...> wrote:

>

> Hi group. I have a friend who has stomach (at least we think it is

> coming from his stomach) pain that is being referred to his back and

> kidney area. He has had this pain for several months and has had many

> tests done to determine the cause and nothing can be found. I want to

> suggest KT, but hesitate because non-believers think you are a nut case

> when I suggest it for things. Has anyone had a pain like this, in the

> kidney area, that KT helped? Also, if so, how long did you have to

> drink the tea before the pain went away. I have no doubt that it will

> work, but does anyone have personal experience with this problem?

> thanks to anyone who can help. Vicki

>

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I have kidney stones and the kombucha hasn't irritated them at all but

I wouldn't suggest it if the source of his pain is uncomfirmed.

You can have vague pain as you describe with kidney stones and I would

suggest that your friend aggressively persue ultra sound and CAT scan

of the urinary system for " silent stones " .

JMHO but I've the experience of been there... done that.

Debbie

On 9/8/07, Skibum80488 <vickilittle@...> wrote:

> Hi group. I have a friend who has stomach (at least we think it is

> coming from his stomach) pain that is being referred to his back and

> kidney area. He has had this pain for several months and has had many

> tests done to determine the cause and nothing can be found. I want to

> suggest KT, but hesitate because non-believers think you are a nut case

> when I suggest it for things. Has anyone had a pain like this, in the

> kidney area, that KT helped? Also, if so, how long did you have to

> drink the tea before the pain went away. I have no doubt that it will

> work, but does anyone have personal experience with this problem?

> thanks to anyone who can help. Vicki

>

>

>

>

>

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I have kidney stones and the kombucha hasn't irritated them at all but

I wouldn't suggest it if the source of his pain is uncomfirmed.

You can have vague pain as you describe with kidney stones and I would

suggest that your friend aggressively persue ultra sound and CAT scan

of the urinary system for " silent stones " .

JMHO but I've the experience of been there... done that.

Debbie

On 9/8/07, Skibum80488 <vickilittle@...> wrote:

> Hi group. I have a friend who has stomach (at least we think it is

> coming from his stomach) pain that is being referred to his back and

> kidney area. He has had this pain for several months and has had many

> tests done to determine the cause and nothing can be found. I want to

> suggest KT, but hesitate because non-believers think you are a nut case

> when I suggest it for things. Has anyone had a pain like this, in the

> kidney area, that KT helped? Also, if so, how long did you have to

> drink the tea before the pain went away. I have no doubt that it will

> work, but does anyone have personal experience with this problem?

> thanks to anyone who can help. Vicki

>

>

>

>

>

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