Re: Musing on my progress and challenges ...

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Welcome to our group. What is your name please? Sorry but I've run out of time

today, so I will reply to your message tomorrow, Tuesday.

The best in health, Bee

>

> First off I am not totally sure what I suffer from is a candida problem -

> various health problems and other failed endeavours(health) is what lead me to

Bee's site.

>

> I've been struggeling on the diet - often wondering weather this will really

help.

>

> My diet atm consits of about 50% raw veggies, 30% protein, and then there's

about 20% of foods not on the good to eat list.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> First off I am not totally sure what I suffer from is a candida problem -

various health problems and other failed endeavours(health) is what lead me to

Bee's site. I've been struggeling on the diet - often wondering weather this

will really help.

+++You can be assured that this program (diet plus supplements) will really help

you, like so many other have been helped. See this Success Stories by members

of this group: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

+++This program is more than just for curing candida because it builds up your

immune system, mainly with the " proper nutrients " your body needs so it can heal

itself naturally, like Nature intended. Therefore it improves anyone's health

even if they do not have candida.

It is important that you completely understand this program and what you need to

do and why, so please read two key articles:

1) How to Successfully Overcome Candida

2) Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

After you read you will understand why the diet you are on, particularly the off

diet foods aren't going to help you.

So please get back to us with any questions you may have after reading.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> First off I am not totally sure what I suffer from is a candida problem -

> various health problems and other failed endeavours(health) is what lead me to

Bee's site.

>

> I've been struggeling on the diet - often wondering weather this will really

help.

>

> My diet atm consits of about 50% raw veggies, 30% protein, and then there's

about 20% of foods not on the good to eat list.

>

> Here are my issues

> - I dont know if this diet will help me; if yeast is my problem. Although I

do have a white coated tongue and its been this way for awhile.

>

> - There are certain foods that fill me up; you could say they are comfort

foods but more they just feel like they provide sustenance.

>

> examples are; I like crackers and humous (just love this), yogurt, occassional

some bread (1x per week), fruit on occassion

>

> - Then there's the cheating foods - a couple glasses of wine on the weekend,

about once every 2 weeks a curry (rice and chicken curry), a chicken kabob 1x a

weekend.

>

> - Butter and milk products make me feel congested - not good in a way; so I'm

feeling like I should stay away from all milk products.

>

>

> Hunger plays a big roll in things and also my social life.

> If I were to keep on the 'diet' as I would like too (without any milk or

butter). I find myself Ravenous. I feel I have to constantly remind myself of

how the spartans lived (they ate simply and were focused on one thing warfare)

hence where the word sparse comes from.

>

> I've been struggeling with the diet for the past 3-4 months. ie I'll go for a

few stretches of eating raw veggies, meats (just on bee's list), and sometimes

butter (although like I said I'm very tempted to cut it), and CO (coconut oil).

To where I eat more crackers and humous and want to get indian take out.

>

> I thought I would share my challenges instead of keeping them inside.

>

> For the past 4 months I have eaten 50% raw veggies and at least 3 tablespoons

of coconut oil perday with zero to no results in my symptoms or tongue coating.

I do notice on occasion a slightly clear patch on my tongue but then it usually

doesnt stay that way.

>

> any encouraging thoughts or suggestions?

>

> oh btw - no I dont enjoy eating all these veggies; (the people at work think

I'm nuts for eating like a rabbit). I eat them because I'm tired of being

unhealthy and try my best to enjoy the non-taste of veggies

>

> Do you think I just need to be real strict for awhile on this diet?

> and perhaps this will get me over the hump?

>

> -oh one thing I tried making some cabbage rejuvelac- oh man that tasted

horrible. Be a challenge to drink this everyday. Will make a new batch to make

sure I made it right.

Hi New Person

We are going to want your name so be ready. I used to eat much of what you are

and glad I finally came to my senses. I didn't drink alcohol, (though I would

joke when asked that I stopped drinking alcohol after I got out of the womb).

Though I didn't drink alcohol ever I had plenty of it flowing through me body if

you believe Bee, (and I do).

As Bee states even if you don't have candida though still not in good health

this food will promote you to good health, can I use the words excellent health?

Bee might disagree with my statement and I would say that if your health is not

good and you crave certain foods ie: wine, humus, crackers, yogurt, rice, bread

and have distaste for other good foods ie: butter, VCO and cabbage rejuvelac

then it is time to make a change. You are eating like a rabbit and I did that

for years.

You will fell ravenous and that is a good sign and I would recommend that you

jump in with both feet because eating some good food and some bad prolongs that

excellent health I mentioned earlier.

I love hearing/reading those 2 words together, " comfort food " . I would look at

eating foods that radically improve your health and get out of the comfort zone.

Neal, 15 months into it and planning for a lifetime.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I've been struggeling on the diet - often wondering weather this will really

help.

I can totally understand how you are feeling. I have noticed that I do better

when I don't doubt what I am doing. Whenever I used to feel any doubt I'd read.

I'd read Bee's articles over and over and underline and look at the research and

try to focus on what seems like common sense to my logical brain. And then you

can't know for sure until you have done the program and given it your all. I

calculated that it will take me 3 years to get through this program. I'm on

year two now. I still feel very sick because I am still not done. I wouldn't

make any conclusions until after the treatment program is over.

> My diet atm consits of about 50% raw veggies, 30% protein, and then there's

about 20% of foods not on the good to eat list.

Raw veggies are not possible for us to consume during this program becasue our

digestion is so poor when we have candida. If I were you I'd read Bee's main

article twice and THEN get started for real. Since you are not doing the diet,

you can't say that it isn't working for you.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

> Here are my issues

> - I dont know if this diet will help me; if yeast is my problem. Although I

do have a white coated tongue and its been this way for awhile.

If your tongue is coated white then you have candida. Did you do the online

candida test? That helped me realize that I have candida.

http://www.mall-net.com/cgibin/quiz4.cgi?quiz=crook.qa

> - There are certain foods that fill me up; you could say they are comfort

foods but more they just feel like they provide sustenance.

I too have food addictions and used to lean heavily on foods/sugars to provide

me with emotional pleasure. Now I focus on finding pleasure from other sources

than foods/sugars. A friend of mine has the same problem though. She is

insanely hungry all day. It's the candida sending her the signals to eat more

carbs. The body is trying to trick you into eating. It's important not to

follow this particular signal from the body though. But I do understand that is

can be difficult. To work full time while one feels like the stomach is

screaming out for foods can be a huge challenge. She too feels a huge relief

when she eats off diet foods. Bread for example will instantly fill her up and

calm all her bodily sensations, however it also stops the detox process in it's

tracks. It's a difficult situation but I feel there is only one way out, and

that is to go forward, to stay on the diet.

Basically, the candida is making you crave these high carb/sugar foods (yoghurt,

hummus, crackers etc). This is one area where you can't really trust your

body's signals.

> If I were to keep on the 'diet' as I would like too (without any milk or

butter). I find myself Ravenous.

You will see when you read Bee's article that you have not yet fully started the

diet and it's not possible to do parts of the diet and skip others. All parts

work together.

>I feel I have to constantly remind myself of how the spartans lived (they ate

simply and >were focused on one thing warfare) hence where the word sparse comes

from.

I can understand how your would feel that way. For me, however the experience

was quite different. I felt that on this diet I was allowed a lot of foods that

had previously been off the table for me, like butter, lard, broths, red meat,

etc. I have not at all experienced this diet as spartan. To me it feels like

the opposite in many ways, it feels full and rich and filling in the long run

and incredibly rich in flavor. (I made oven baked duck the other day, and wow,

what an amazing experience of rich taste that was!)

> I've been struggeling with the diet for the past 3-4 months. ie I'll go for a

few stretches of eating raw veggies, meats (just on bee's list), and sometimes

butter (although like I said I'm very tempted to cut it), and CO (coconut oil).

To where I eat more crackers and humous and want to get indian take out.

I understand your struggle. For me it always helped to read about why I do the

things that are part of this diet. A greater understanding of it really helps

deal with the doubts. But also, note that you have not yet been able to be on

the diet fully. You can also read the " getting started article " to get you

fully on the diet.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

It took me a month to get on the diet and I didn't start counting the months of

healing time until I was on the diet 100%.

> I thought I would share my challenges instead of keeping them inside.

I agree and I think it's a good thing that you did share your experience with

all of us. It's not an easy road to take this. I am sure your email spoke to

many people on this list. We all have to deal with the doubt and the fears and

the struggles.

> For the past 4 months I have eaten 50% raw veggies and at least 3 tablespoons

of coconut oil perday with zero to no results in my symptoms or tongue coating.

I understand your frustration. I have been fully on this diet for 2 years now

and my tongue is still white, but that's the least of my problems. You won't

get well until your immune system is strong enough to win the internal war

between it and candida. Also, raw veggies are not going to be working on this

diet, at lest not this early on and not that much.

> any encouraging thoughts or suggestions?

Yes, do keep working on this. You've really stumbled onto something that is

quite amazing. Read, read, and read! Once you are fully on the diet, you may

not feel so good but you will be able to go with the flow of the body signals.

It's an amazing journey and you have the opportunity to give yourself this gift.

All the physical sensations will reinforce to you that this is what your body

needs, and this will help you deal with any remaining doubts. The physical

reactions are part of the detox, and my body has followed the expected

reactions, re-tracings, detox symptoms, and healing reactions like clockwork.

It's a rough ride but it just feels so " right " at the same time. It's a subtle

inner voice explaining that this may work and you can trust your own

perceptions. Like, my body used to tell me to eat sugar (and there is still a

craving for sugars that I deal with on a daily basis) but now my body also tells

me that it is detoxing and that this diet is working for me. It can be tricky

to know the difference between a trick signal originating from candida, and a

healthy signal originating form the body's defenses, but it's there if you look

for it.

> Do you think I just need to be real strict for awhile on this diet?

> and perhaps this will get me over the hump?

Yes, read about all the underlying reasons why you need to be " strict " . That

will make it easy to put doubt aside and go for this lifestyle full on and

become less interested in " cheating " . So long as you are very doubtful the

doubt will make it very difficult to commit fully to the program.

> -oh one thing I tried making some cabbage rejuvelac- oh man that tasted

horrible. Be a challenge to drink this everyday. Will make a new batch to make

sure I made it right.

In my experience it can be very difficult to make anything that is fermented.

We're not used to it and most people today have no experience with it, like

myself. It should have a good taste to it. If it smelled bad at all then it's

possible the batch went wrong. Also, you do know that we are not supposed to

drink cabbage rejuvelac until we have already cured candida. So long as you

have any health issues and a white tongue it's not meaningful to drink cabbage

rejuvelac, but I too have made it just to taste it and get a preview of what it

will be like in the future to make this every day for 3 months. It is also

possible that you just don't like the taste of it, but with most things we can

learn to like it too. I hated the coconut oil the first few months, but now I

absolutely love it! In Sweden there are these private schools called

" montessori schools " , and there the children drink fresh cabbage rejuvelac every

day as part of their lunch. So, if they can stomach it, we can too...lol....But

I actually really like it, for the record.

Good luck!

[Guest guest]

I made the OP. here

thanks for the encouragement ...

a few conflicting things thou ... someone mentioned that eating raw vegtables is

hard on the system since we can't digest them in the state we are presently in

....

-dont raw veggies have the most enzymes?

-wouldnt I be able to have a chance to digest these then any other form?

from what I understand that one needs to be very strict just to see results? As

I stated previously; I eat about 70% perfect. The other 30% not so much ...

I mean I dont eat any sugar, candies, cakes, ice cream chocolate, muffins, ...

you would think I would have some results from eating all these veggies etc ...

oh hum ...

If being as close to perfect on this diet will get me results I'm willing to do

it.

I've studied candida diets previously and the different ways to treat it;

actually have done a few rounds of this in the past - but not quite like what is

listed here (hence my affinity for doing it this way).

The hunger is one of the hardest things to deal with - I saw a post that said

eat more fat; there really isnt alot of things listed on the food list that is

fat - butter ya ... but I was leary of eating this since it tends to make me

feel congested. Coconut oil; been eating this ... really isnt too much more

besides whats with protein ie chicken, fish etc ...

I'm going to go to the store and get some goat milk butter; might be easier on

my system and give that a go.

I have been eating a healthy amount of coconut oil and onions/garlic.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

This article should explain why it's better to eat cooked veggies:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/veg2.php

Yes, you are correct. We need to be fairly strict (95% or better) on Bee's diet

in order to see results. You need to give your body the proper nutrients in

order to heal.

I think the big difference between this diet and others is the amount of good

fats that are recommended.

Have you read that we need to take 6Tbsp. of coconut oil per day? That will

really help with the hunger, but you need to slowly work your way up to that

much because coconut oil is antifungal and will cause a lot of die-off/healing

reactions.

Butter makes you feel congested because it is antifungal and causes your body to

produce mucous to get rid of the candida toxins. This is actually a good thing

because it means its working.

Make sure you read this article so that you fully understand the steps involved

in this program. http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

Since you have been eating off-diet foods, you would not get many, if any

reactions from taking the coconut oil, so you may need to back up a bit and

decrease the amount you are taking. In the meantime, you can increase your

butter and olive oil intake (remember not to heat olive oil). Also, don't trim

the fats off any meat you eat. That will also help you to get your fat intake

up.

Hope that helps!

>

> I made the OP. here

>

> thanks for the encouragement ...

>

> a few conflicting things thou ... someone mentioned that eating raw vegtables

is hard on the system since we can't digest them in the state we are presently

in ...

> -dont raw veggies have the most enzymes?

> -wouldnt I be able to have a chance to digest these then any other form?

>

> from what I understand that one needs to be very strict just to see results?

As I stated previously; I eat about 70% perfect. The other 30% not so much ...

> I mean I dont eat any sugar, candies, cakes, ice cream chocolate, muffins, ...

you would think I would have some results from eating all these veggies etc ...

>

<snip>

> I'm going to go to the store and get some goat milk butter; might be easier on

my system and give that a go.

>

> I have been eating a healthy amount of coconut oil and onions/garlic.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

from what I understand that one needs to be very strict just to

see results? As I stated previously; I eat about 70% perfect. The other 30% not

so much ...

> I mean I dont eat any sugar, candies, cakes, ice cream chocolate, muffins, ...

you would think I would have some results from eating all these veggies etc ...

If being as close to perfect on this diet will get me results I'm willing to do

it.

+++Yes, it is important to follow the diet carefully, and take all of the

supplements, since that is what gets the results people have reported in the

numerous Success Stories on my website.

>

>>I've studied candida diets previously and the different ways to treat it;

actually have done a few rounds of this in the past - but not quite like what is

listed here (hence my affinity for doing it this way).

>

>>The hunger is one of the hardest things to deal with - I saw a post that said

eat more fat; there really isnt alot of things listed on the food list that is

fat - butter ya ... but I was leary of eating this since it tends to make me

feel congested. Coconut oil; been eating this ... really isnt too much more

besides whats with protein ie chicken, fish etc ..

+++Butter makes you congested since it is antifungal which will cause

die-off/healing reactions.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> I made the OP. here

>

>

> I'm going to go to the store and get some goat milk butter; might be easier on

my system and give that a go.

>

> I have been eating a healthy amount of coconut oil and onions/garlic.

>

>

>

****Hi - you can also try Ghee (made from butter). Some people don't react

as strongly to Ghee. I use both butter and Ghee - personally, I think Ghee has

more of a buttery flavor.

You can make Ghee (Bee has a recipe in her files) - or you can buy it.

Just something to consider.

[Guest guest]

, Bee and ...

Are you sure about the butter thing and causing mucus and that this is good for

you? Ever hear about the author ARNOLD EHRET'S; he wrote a book called the

Mucusless-Diet Healing System.

Basically the premise is to not eat foods that produce mucus. One of the main

ones is all milk products.

After reading his book and hearing others speak about how milk is one of the

most alergic things one can consume; made me shy away from it. I really havn't

had much milk products in the past 10 years (almost none).

I realize Bee's program doesnt talk about drinking milk - but the fat ie butter.

About 2 months ago I was eating more butter and this did help with the cravings

for food. Just wasnt sure since I would get congested a bit.

But I will give it another shot if you guys feel it's ok.

The one thing I have been consistant with is the coconut oil (I actually love

it). Eat at least 3 tablespoons a day and usually more.

Recently it started to make me cough a bit; like make me feel like I have a

itchy throat (wondering if this is from the caprylic acid in it).

[Guest guest]

Bee,

Do you recommend raw veggies then? Or is it up in the air if they are better

for you?

Article was a bit confusing

[Guest guest]

I believe that Bee recommends that veggies be cooked, not eaten raw.

--

-----Original Message-----

Bee,

Do you recommend raw veggies then? Or is it up in the air if they are

better for you?

Article was a bit confusing

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> Do you recommend raw veggies then? Or is it up in the air if they are better

for you?

> Article was a bit confusing

>

>

Hi

Confusion is one of the symptoms of eating bad food. As you get on the diet

fully and leave out the junk, (and I know that is a challenge at first)your mind

clears and things you couldn't comprehend earlier make sense. I would recommend

as wrote to cut out the junk and bear it for a week or two and then you

lose cravings. You are not done yet but you are then on the right road to

excellent health. advised more reading and I concur. I believe that if our

health is not good and we continue to eat the foods we have eaten then good

health will not return. My personal experience is that the best part of the

former junk I used to eat is the smell. I can now walk through the cake/pastry

section at the local junk food store posing as a grocery store and enjoy the

smells. My sense of smell, hearing and taste have all improved considerably. I

suspect that my vision will improve as well. Read more and be prepared to

change.

Good Luck

Neal

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I made the OP. here

>

> thanks for the encouragement ...

>

> a few conflicting things thou ... someone mentioned that eating raw vegtables

is hard on the system since we can't digest them in the state we are presently

in ...

> -dont raw veggies have the most enzymes?

> -wouldnt I be able to have a chance to digest these then any other form?

>

> from what I understand that one needs to be very strict just to see results?

As I stated previously; I eat about 70% perfect. The other 30% not so much ...

> I mean I dont eat any sugar, candies, cakes, ice cream chocolate, muffins, ...

you would think I would have some results from eating all these veggies etc ...

>

> oh hum ...

>

> If being as close to perfect on this diet will get me results I'm willing to

do it.

>

> I've studied candida diets previously and the different ways to treat it;

actually have done a few rounds of this in the past - but not quite like what is

listed here (hence my affinity for doing it this way).

>

> The hunger is one of the hardest things to deal with - I saw a post that said

eat more fat; there really isnt alot of things listed on the food list that is

fat - butter ya ... but I was leary of eating this since it tends to make me

feel congested. Coconut oil; been eating this ... really isnt too much more

besides whats with protein ie chicken, fish etc ...

>

> I'm going to go to the store and get some goat milk butter; might be easier on

my system and give that a go.

>

> I have been eating a healthy amount of coconut oil and onions/garlic.

>

>

Hi

Fun watching us all think this all through. We spend much time thinking and not

enough time doing. There are many great foods available and initially we are

turned off to them aaaaand those are the foods we should be eating. I am still

pleasently surprised at my almost daily improvement in body function and if I

didn't know me I wouldn't believe me. Turn the 30% not on the diet into 100% on

the diet if you want to get well. Read Bee's information and trust.

Dr Neal, no formal education and no charge.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> , Bee and ...

>

> Are you sure about the butter thing and causing mucus and that this is good

for you? Ever hear about the author ARNOLD EHRET'S; he wrote a book called the

Mucusless-Diet Healing System.

>

> Basically the premise is to not eat foods that produce mucus. One of the main

ones is all milk products.

+++Hi . It is obvious Arnold Ehret does not understand the natural healing

processes of the body, since the body builds up mucus in order to flush away and

get rid of toxins, which are natural detoxifying/healing reaction - see these

articles about mucus:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu4_4_1.php

>

> After reading his book and hearing others speak about how milk is one of the

most alergic things one can consume; made me shy away from it. I really havn't

had much milk products in the past 10 years (almost none).

+++No one can possibly be allergic to good raw dairy products, since our bodies

are designed to consume good natural foods in order to be healthy.

>

> I realize Bee's program doesnt talk about drinking milk - but the fat ie

butter. About 2 months ago I was eating more butter and this did help with the

cravings for food. Just wasnt sure since I would get congested a bit.

+++Butter is antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral, etc. so of course it can

cause " healing/detoxifying reactions, " including congestion and more mucus.

That's a good thing that indicates butter's healing powers for our bodies.

>

> But I will give it another shot if you guys feel it's ok.

+++It would help to read more about the healing processes, including die-off

symptoms, etc. - here's a few articles about them:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

>

> The one thing I have been consistant with is the coconut oil (I actually love

it). Eat at least 3 tablespoons a day and usually more.

>

> Recently it started to make me cough a bit; like make me feel like I have a

itchy throat (wondering if this is from the caprylic acid in it).

+++That's great you love coconut oil. The reason you are getting an itchy

throat is because of die-off symptoms, which are described in this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal2.php

You can expect more healing/detoxifying and die-off symptoms as you progress on

this program. That is because of how your body heals itself, which produces

many symptoms. But now, instead of degenerating, your body will be progressing,

since the only way to become healthy is by giving your body what it needs to

heal itself naturally.

Getting healthy is not a steady uphill climb towards health, where you feel

better and better every day. It has its many ups and downs. Actually the

healing process is the reverse of the dis-ease process, but you know you are

moving towards health now, even though you will experience many of the same

symptoms that occurred during the dis-ease process.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> Do you recommend raw veggies then? Or is it up in the air if they are better

for you? Article was a bit confusing

+++Hi . If you have digestion problems, which many candida sufferers do, it

is recommended that you consume only completely cooked vegetables. See this

section of my main candida article on how to improve digestion:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php#s27

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Well said Neal. I agree completely on the fact that I really couldn't comprehend

the diet at first. It was all too much to take in for me, being in such a bad

state of mind.

I also wanted to concur about your realization on the " smells " of those junk

foods. It most certainly is better than the taste. It feels great to know this

because it makes it much easier to decline.

>

> Confusion is one of the symptoms of eating bad food. As you get on the diet

fully and leave out the junk, (and I know that is a challenge at first)your mind

clears and things you couldn't comprehend earlier make sense.

I would recommend as wrote to cut out the junk and bear it for a week or

two and then you lose cravings. You are not done yet but you are then on the

right road to excellent health. advised more reading and I concur. I

believe that if our health is not good and we continue to eat the foods we have

eaten then good health will not return. My personal experience is that the best

part of the former junk I used to eat is the smell. I can now walk through the

cake/pastry section at the local junk food store posing as a grocery store and

enjoy the smells. My sense of smell, hearing and taste have all improved

considerably. I suspect that my vision will improve as well. Read more and be

prepared to change.

>

> Good Luck

>

> Neal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> , Bee and ...

>

> Are you sure about the butter thing and causing mucus and that this is good

for you? Ever hear about the author ARNOLD EHRET'S; he wrote a book called the

Mucusless-Diet Healing System.

>

> Basically the premise is to not eat foods that produce mucus. One of the main

ones is all milk products.

>

> After reading his book and hearing others speak about how milk is one of the

most alergic things one can consume; made me shy away from it. I really havn't

had much milk products in the past 10 years (almost none).

>

> I realize Bee's program doesnt talk about drinking milk - but the fat ie

butter. About 2 months ago I was eating more butter and this did help with the

cravings for food. Just wasnt sure since I would get congested a bit.

>

> But I will give it another shot if you guys feel it's ok.

>

> The one thing I have been consistant with is the coconut oil (I actually love

it). Eat at least 3 tablespoons a day and usually more.

>

> Recently it started to make me cough a bit; like make me feel like I have a

itchy throat (wondering if this is from the caprylic acid in it).

>

>

**** - Yes, I have heard of Arnold Ehret and read his book.

Again, you may want to try Ghee and see if that works better for you - I think

it would be definitely worth a try.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > , Bee and ...

> >

> > Are you sure about the butter thing and causing mucus and that this is good

for you? Ever hear about the author ARNOLD EHRET'S; he wrote a book called the

Mucusless-Diet Healing System.

> >

> > Basically the premise is to not eat foods that produce mucus. One of the

main ones is all milk products.

> >

> > After reading his book and hearing others speak about how milk is one of the

most alergic things one can consume; made me shy away from it. I really havn't

had much milk products in the past 10 years (almost none).

> >

> > I realize Bee's program doesnt talk about drinking milk - but the fat ie

butter. About 2 months ago I was eating more butter and this did help with the

cravings for food. Just wasnt sure since I would get congested a bit.

> >

> > But I will give it another shot if you guys feel it's ok.

> >

> > The one thing I have been consistant with is the coconut oil (I actually

love it). Eat at least 3 tablespoons a day and usually more.

> >

> > Recently it started to make me cough a bit; like make me feel like I have a

itchy throat (wondering if this is from the caprylic acid in it).

> >

> >

>

>

> **** - Yes, I have heard of Arnold Ehret and read his book.

>

> Again, you may want to try Ghee and see if that works better for you - I think

it would be definitely worth a try.

>

>

**** - I realized I did not give you a very good response about the book. I

did read this book many years ago - and at the time I probably did believe it.

But for many, many years I was also a very unhealthy vegetarian. A lot of

things that I have believed have changed.

I think that as with many of us, we have researched (and are currently

researching) to try and find how to get healthy and the healthiest way to live.

And certainly, there is a lot of conflicting information out there - especially

when it comes to candida - and this does make it challenging to know what is the

" right " thing to do.

I work for one of those " big bad insurance companies " and a lot of what I do

involves researching current medical treatment - most of which is classified as

experimental/investigational treatment. Sadly, it involves primarily cancer

patients. There was a time when I thought that the medical community had " all "

of the answers and that was the way to go - I no longer believe that. It

doesn't change how I do my job - it is still very interesting - it just changes

how I want to live my life - and I don't want to go " down that road " of

allopathic medicine.

So - with the research that I have done about candida - Bee's program makes the

most sense to me - and her explanations make the most sense to me.

We all have to decide for ourselves what we want to do regarding our health.

But I would encourage you that if you do this program - do your best to do it

100% and I believe you will see the results you want.

Oh yes - try the Ghee (lol!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bee,

thanks for the information.

I'm a bit skeptical on the whole mucus thing ... meaning if it's good for you to

have it that doesnt mean when you get it - the object that caused the mucus was

'healing'.

example - cirgarette smoke almost instantly causes mucus in my throat; or bad

chemicals or sugared drinks (when I used to drink these ... many years ago).

If I eat too much - I get alot of mucus (usually in the past it would be chinese

or mexican or more recently indian).

also how does butter kill yeast? I can understand how it starves it since there

is no carbs for it to feed on. But usually the butter is made from pasteurized

milk in which all good bateria is killed and then its just fat.

[Guest guest]

...

you're really pushing that ghee huh?

I remember seeing it in my local foodstore in a tin (in a regular isle not in

the frige).

I'm a bit confused on the whole milk/butter thing - but I'm willing to try

something new.

thanks for your reply

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm a bit skeptical on the whole mucus thing ... meaning if it's good for you

to have it that doesnt mean when you get it - the object that caused the mucus

was 'healing'.

+++Hi . Yes it does, since your body creates mucus in order to clear out

toxins, so the object was the toxins and the result was the body's efforts to

clear them out, which is definitely a healing/detoxifying process.

>

> example - cirgarette smoke almost instantly causes mucus in my throat; or bad

chemicals or sugared drinks (when I used to drink these ... many years ago).

+++That's a very good example of your body's ability to heal itself, since it

creates mucus to clear out the smoke, bad chemicals and sugars.

>

> If I eat too much - I get alot of mucus (usually in the past it would be

chinese or mexican or more recently indian).

+++You don't get a lot of mucus because you ate too much food; it is because the

foods you ate were helping your body get rid of toxins. For example: Indian

foods are very spicey and a lot of those spices are antifungal, antibacterial,

antiviral, which in turn produce toxins when they are killed.

>

> also how does butter kill yeast? I can understand how it starves it since

there is no carbs for it to feed on. But usually the butter is made from

pasteurized milk in which all good bacteria is killed and then its just fat.

+++Pasteurized dairy still retains a lot of the original nutrients (thank

goodness). Butter, like coconut oil, and many foods, spices and herbs are

antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral, antiparasitic, and those organisms produce

toxins when they are killed of, so that causes the body to go into action to

clear them out, which creates mucus and other kinds of healing reactions.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> ...

>

> you're really pushing that ghee huh?

> I remember seeing it in my local foodstore in a tin (in a regular isle not in

the frige).

>

> I'm a bit confused on the whole milk/butter thing - but I'm willing to try

something new.

>

> thanks for your reply

>

>

**** - I just think that for you it is worth a try. Bee has said that some

people need to clarify the butter to make Ghee because they aren't able to

tolerate the proteins in butter. Ghee is clarified butter.

If you buy it - there are several different brands available - try different

ones. One thing nice about Ghee is that it doesn't need to be refrigerated -

you can just keep it on the counter - so it stays soft - that's why you don't

always find it in the refrigerated section of the store.

>