Re: starting children on diet- any tips?

January 26, 2009

My son is 6 and has been on the diet for a year. We don't have the lunch

packing issue because we homeschool. However for us, we saw absolutely no

improvement in him until he was completely on the diet. I took most of 2

months to transition him. I didn't want it to be too traumatic. I do

recommend going slowly with kids. He was on 1/2 apple per day on that last

week and once we stopped that we started seeing improvement in his

symptoms. I am not sure about cheats. We don't cheat. It seems too risky

to me. But once my son ate an entire pot of tomato sauce (about a quart)

before I realized it. He just ate it straight. He got diarrhea from that. I

am thinking that there was too much sugar in that much sauce but I don't

know for sure. Anyway, I won't let that happen again. " Hitting the sauce "

takes on new meaning.

Irene

At 08:59 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone! I have been following a strict candida diet for 6

>months, and following Bee's program for about a month. Now I am

>ready to help my children. My children are almost 6 and almost 3

>years old. I've read the pages about children on the diet, but would

>love to hear from parents who have done this program for their

>children.

>

>My children already eat a lot of the foods that I eat. The biggest

>challenge I am thinking about right now is packing my son's lunch for

>kindergarten! He's going to quickly tire of hard boiled eggs for

>lunch! He likes pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds in his lunch. I

>might be able to get him to eat chicken pieces, maybe. Any tips here-

>I'm kinda at a loss.

>

>In reading through the posts here I found that children recover much

>more easily and therefore are able to 'get away' with more 'cheats'-

>have you found this to be true? I'm not thinking about chocolate

>cake or anything, but if I gave my children an occasional plain

>organic yogurt- would it set them back?

>As of now the kids take a multivitamin but will get them switched

>over to the recommended products. I'm wondering though about how

>slow to start them on the diet. They already eat quite 'healthy'.

>Tomorrow we are ending all fruit/sugar. Since they dont eat many

>sweet treats, fruit is the only thing for them to get used to.

>Should I do this for a week before eliminating the next thing

>(dairy)? Is a week enough time before working into the next step?

>I've been adding more and more fats to their diet- mostly because

>they like the egg drink for an afternoon snack (with me).

>

>Thanks for any input/advice/support. I'm more scared about this than

>I was about starting myself- thats for sure.

>-Sara

>

January 26, 2009

One more thing. At 5 and 6 years old they really get it why we do these

things when you explain it to them which I am sure you've already done. At

Christmas, I was considering cheating with some berries for dessert or

something like that. Maybe it was apples. Anyway, my son was horrified. He

told me in no uncertain terms that if we eat that stuff before we are

finished with the diet the candida might come back and we don't want

that! No fruit for us!!!

Irene

At 10:18 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote:

>My son is 6 and has been on the diet for a year. We don't have the lunch

>packing issue because we homeschool. However for us, we saw absolutely no

>improvement in him until he was completely on the diet. I took most of 2

>months to transition him. I didn't want it to be too traumatic. I do

>recommend going slowly with kids. He was on 1/2 apple per day on that last

>week and once we stopped that we started seeing improvement in his

>symptoms. I am not sure about cheats. We don't cheat. It seems too risky

>to me. But once my son ate an entire pot of tomato sauce (about a quart)

>before I realized it. He just ate it straight. He got diarrhea from that. I

>am thinking that there was too much sugar in that much sauce but I don't

>know for sure. Anyway, I won't let that happen again. " Hitting the sauce "

>takes on new meaning.

>

>Irene

>

>At 08:59 PM 1/25/2009, you wrote:

>

> >Hi Everyone! I have been following a strict candida diet for 6

> >months, and following Bee's program for about a month. Now I am

> >ready to help my children. My children are almost 6 and almost 3

> >years old. I've read the pages about children on the diet, but would

> >love to hear from parents who have done this program for their

> >children.

> >

> >My children already eat a lot of the foods that I eat. The biggest

> >challenge I am thinking about right now is packing my son's lunch for

> >kindergarten! He's going to quickly tire of hard boiled eggs for

> >lunch! He likes pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds in his lunch. I

> >might be able to get him to eat chicken pieces, maybe. Any tips here-

> >I'm kinda at a loss.

> >

> >In reading through the posts here I found that children recover much

> >more easily and therefore are able to 'get away' with more 'cheats'-

> >have you found this to be true? I'm not thinking about chocolate

> >cake or anything, but if I gave my children an occasional plain

> >organic yogurt- would it set them back?

> >As of now the kids take a multivitamin but will get them switched

> >over to the recommended products. I'm wondering though about how

> >slow to start them on the diet. They already eat quite 'healthy'.

> >Tomorrow we are ending all fruit/sugar. Since they dont eat many

> >sweet treats, fruit is the only thing for them to get used to.

> >Should I do this for a week before eliminating the next thing

> >(dairy)? Is a week enough time before working into the next step?

> >I've been adding more and more fats to their diet- mostly because

> >they like the egg drink for an afternoon snack (with me).

> >

> >Thanks for any input/advice/support. I'm more scared about this than

> >I was about starting myself- thats for sure.

> >-Sara

> >

>

January 26, 2009

Hi Sara,

I started my son on Bee's diet in July and by August he was fully on

the diet. I recommend taking it slowly with switching them over and

explaining to them why you are putting them on this type of diet.

They actually do seem to get it. My son was 3.5 when he started on

the diet and seems to understand that he needs to eat this way.

When we converted him over, we just decreased all the no-nos at the

same time, not the fruit one week and dairy the next. I don't know

that it matters. If they are having any of the no-no carbs, they

will still be craving sugars.

Unlike Irene and her son, we do cheat. You need to find what works

for you and your kids. We were cheating once a week in the

beginning, but have decided that we will only cheat once or twice a

month from now on. The way we think of it is that we plan on being

on this diet forever, and for the longevity factor, we just feel like

a cheat here and there helps with feeling deprived. Cheating isn't

really much fun, though. My son's behaviour is horrible after he

cheats and I just can't reason with him. That's the biggest change I

notice when he cheats.

Other lunch ideas are chili or something else in a thermos.

Meatballs are a favourite. The shephard's pie recipe (from Bee's

website) goes over well in our house, too. I think that trying to

get them to eat enough at mealtime so they aren't wanting to snack is

another challenge. You could also try the spinach bread recipe, but

instead of putting it in a bread pan, pour the batter into muffin

tins.

Try not to worry about the diet - it will all work itself out.

>

> Hi Everyone! I have been following a strict candida diet for 6

> months, and following Bee's program for about a month. Now I am

> ready to help my children. My children are almost 6 and almost 3

> years old. I've read the pages about children on the diet, but

would love to hear from parents who have done this program for their

> children.

>

<snip>

> Should I do this for a week before eliminating the next thing

> (dairy)? Is a week enough time before working into the next step?

> I've been adding more and more fats to their diet- mostly because

> they like the egg drink for an afternoon snack (with me).

>

> Thanks for any input/advice/support. I'm more scared about this

than

> I was about starting myself- thats for sure.

> -Sara

>

January 26, 2009

Thank you for sharing Irene! Yes- my son is super 'into it'- he is such a brave

little guy! He has a birthday party to go to in a week- we'll see how excited

he is after that My daughter is a different story- she craves fruit so much

more than her brother- it will be hard to tell her 'no' to something that I

always considered so 'good'. It will help that there just won't be any around

the house- out of sight out of mind is more true with children (than with

myself!).

-Sara

January 26, 2009

Thank you - it really helps to hear from others who have done this! I

like the muffin spinach bread idea- My daughter would love it now...my son might

love it in a couple of months of being on the diet Right now the only green

veggies he likes are broccoli and asparagas. All other greens are usually

disguised in smoothies made from plain yogurt and frozen blueberries- guess I'll

have to find a replacement for the blueberries (the dark blue always worked so

well to hide the green!).

So did your child lose weight when starting the diet? That is my biggest fear.

I plan to just let them eat as much of the OK foods as possible- but wonder if

they will eat enough.

-Sara

January 26, 2009

Hi Sara,

You could probably use broccoli or asparagus in the spinach bread

muffin recipe. My husband was really creative and made up a recipe

replacing the spinach with celery root and the pumpkin pie spices to

make a pumpkin pie style muffin, so I can't see why other veggies

couldn't be used.

On the contrary, my son actually gained weight on the diet. He's a

little bit chubbier now than he has ever been. He's not fat by any

means, but he used to seem quite muscular and now he's a little more

fat. For the most part, I just let him eat as much of the OK foods

as he wants. One day in the beginning he ate 6 eggs for breakfast!

His appetite has mellowed out now, though. I think kids will

definitely eat what they are served if they are hungry enough!

>

> Thank you - it really helps to hear from others who have

done this! I like the muffin spinach bread idea- My daughter would

love it now...my son might love it in a couple of months of being on

the diet Right now the only green veggies he likes are broccoli

and asparagas. All other greens are usually disguised in smoothies

made from plain yogurt and frozen blueberries- guess I'll have to

find a replacement for the blueberries (the dark blue always worked

so well to hide the green!).

> So did your child lose weight when starting the diet? That is my

biggest fear. I plan to just let them eat as much of the OK foods as

possible- but wonder if they will eat enough.

> -Sara

>

January 27, 2009

Thanks - you are so right. I can totally change the recipe to make it

more 'son friendly'. When he was younger I always made veggie muffins and the

like just to add nutrition to his diet. I can totally do this! Thanks for the

tips!

It really helps to hear your son gained some weight. My little guy is stick

thin even though he eats and eats and eats- just his body type. My daughter is

very different.

*So today was not so bad for a first day. My son went off to kindergarten and

tried to explain to his teacher about his diet. She gave him some crackers at

snack time- not realizing the extent to my son's diet. We had a meeting today

though and I dropped off 'approved' snack options for him. My daughter had a

little more trouble. The grocery store was upset #1 because she is so used to

going for the samples. Upset #2 was at Mommy and me class: today was at the ice

rink and they served hot chocolate with whipped cream- just our luck. We had

peppermint tea.

-Sara

From: hjacksic <oxhahxo@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: starting children on diet- any tips?

Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:31 AM

Hi Sara,

You could probably use broccoli or asparagus in the spinach bread

muffin recipe. My husband was really creative and made up a recipe

replacing the spinach with celery root and the pumpkin pie spices to

make a pumpkin pie style muffin, so I can't see why other veggies

couldn't be used.

On the contrary, my son actually gained weight on the diet. He's a

little bit chubbier now than he has ever been. He's not fat by any

means, but he used to seem quite muscular and now he's a little more

fat. For the most part, I just let him eat as much of the OK foods

as he wants. One day in the beginning he ate 6 eggs for breakfast!

His appetite has mellowed out now, though. I think kids will

definitely eat what they are served if they are hungry enough!

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January 27, 2009

Hey Sara,

Yes, you can definitely do this! Congratulations on your first day!

To me recipes are just a 'guide' and that we can play around with

them to suit our individual tastes (using the foods on the OK list,

of course).

It *is* a little frustrating when other people are feeding your

children stuff they shouldn't have. Because on the one hand, you

don't want your kids to feel deprived/left out (like at the skating

rink) but on the other hand, you want what's best for them. I think

it is a little tougher for the younger ones to understand, too.

In our city, all the grocery stores provide free bananas for children

right at the enterance of the store. It used to be only at some

stores, but now it's all of them. They started doing this before we

went on this diet, so my son got used to having one every time we

went shopping and it's a really hard 'habit' to break. Grrr...

But at least you have the option of sending your own food with your

son to school. At my son's daycare and even through all of his

elementary and high school, the schools provide lunch for all the

kids and the only way a parent can request a special lunch is by

having a doctor's note. This has been a real nightmare for me,

having to deal with doctors and dieticians who have no idea about

anything to do with natural healing. The latest news is that the

doctors are doing blood tests (they've done 2 already) and now are

about to do an EEG in a couple of weeks to test him for epilepsy,

which I'm pretty sure he doesn't have. This is all in order to feed

him healthy foods at daycare. (ARGH! *pulling hair out as we speak*)

I just thought of another snack idea for you. I know Bee doesn't

like us to snack or to eat raw veggies, but it is really hard when

you are out with young kids and if it's this or a chocolate bar,

well... We sometimes make cucumber 'sandwiches'. Take two slices of

cucumber, slather with butter, sprinkle with sea salt, put them

together and voila, a cucumber sandwich!

Take care,

>

> Thanks - you are so right. I can totally change the recipe

to make it more 'son friendly'. <snip>.

>

> *So today was not so bad for a first day. My son went off to

kindergarten and tried to explain to his teacher about his diet. She

gave him some crackers at snack time- not realizing the extent to my

son's diet. We had a meeting today though and I dropped

off 'approved' snack options for him. My daughter had a little more

trouble. The grocery store was upset #1 because she is so used to

going for the samples. Upset #2 was at Mommy and me class: today was

at the ice rink and they served hot chocolate with whipped cream-

just our luck. We had peppermint tea.

> -Sara

>

January 27, 2009

>

> Thank you - it really helps to hear from others who have done

this! I like the muffin spinach bread idea- My daughter would love it

now...my son might love it in a couple of months of being on the

diet Right now the only green veggies he likes are broccoli and

asparagas. All other greens are usually disguised in smoothies made

from plain yogurt and frozen blueberries- guess I'll have to find a

replacement for the blueberries (the dark blue always worked so well to

hide the green!).

> So did your child lose weight when starting the diet? That is my

biggest fear. I plan to just let them eat as much of the OK foods as

possible- but wonder if they will eat enough.

++Hi Sara. Do not be concerned if your children lose weight. Low

weight won't hurt them, and it isn't a measure of health in any case.

Bee

January 27, 2009

Oh snacks! For snacks we use Golden Farms Beef Thuringer. It travels well

and is free of sugar and nitrates! I even called them to make sure.

Although my son won't touch butter, you can make a sandwich with two thick

slices of the thuringer with butter in between.

Golden Farms is in California and available at Whole Foods. I don't know

how far they ship in the US. I don't know if there is something similar in

Sweden though.

Irene

At 01:00 AM 1/27/2009, you wrote:

>Hey Sara,

>

>Yes, you can definitely do this! Congratulations on your first day!

>To me recipes are just a 'guide' and that we can play around with

>them to suit our individual tastes (using the foods on the OK list,

>of course).

>

>It *is* a little frustrating when other people are feeding your

>children stuff they shouldn't have. Because on the one hand, you

>don't want your kids to feel deprived/left out (like at the skating

>rink) but on the other hand, you want what's best for them. I think

>it is a little tougher for the younger ones to understand, too.

>

>In our city, all the grocery stores provide free bananas for children

>right at the enterance of the store. It used to be only at some

>stores, but now it's all of them. They started doing this before we

>went on this diet, so my son got used to having one every time we

>went shopping and it's a really hard 'habit' to break. Grrr...

>

>But at least you have the option of sending your own food with your

>son to school. At my son's daycare and even through all of his

>elementary and high school, the schools provide lunch for all the

>kids and the only way a parent can request a special lunch is by

>having a doctor's note. This has been a real nightmare for me,

>having to deal with doctors and dieticians who have no idea about

>anything to do with natural healing. The latest news is that the

>doctors are doing blood tests (they've done 2 already) and now are

>about to do an EEG in a couple of weeks to test him for epilepsy,

>which I'm pretty sure he doesn't have. This is all in order to feed

>him healthy foods at daycare. (ARGH! *pulling hair out as we speak*)

>

>I just thought of another snack idea for you. I know Bee doesn't

>like us to snack or to eat raw veggies, but it is really hard when

>you are out with young kids and if it's this or a chocolate bar,

>well... We sometimes make cucumber 'sandwiches'. Take two slices of

>cucumber, slather with butter, sprinkle with sea salt, put them

>together and voila, a cucumber sandwich!

>

>Take care,

>

> >

> > Thanks - you are so right. I can totally change the recipe

>to make it more 'son friendly'. <snip>.

> >

> > *So today was not so bad for a first day. My son went off to

>kindergarten and tried to explain to his teacher about his diet. She

>gave him some crackers at snack time- not realizing the extent to my

>son's diet. We had a meeting today though and I dropped

>off 'approved' snack options for him. My daughter had a little more

>trouble. The grocery store was upset #1 because she is so used to

>going for the samples. Upset #2 was at Mommy and me class: today was

>at the ice rink and they served hot chocolate with whipped cream-

>just our luck. We had peppermint tea.

>

> > -Sara

> >

>

January 27, 2009

I have not heard of Thuringer, but it will go out and get some (we live in

California, so it looks like we'll be able to find it easily!).

thanks for the tip!

-Sara

January 28, 2009

My kids almost lived on a " flan " I made of blended eggs, zuchinni

(shredded fine) and coconut oil. then baked. I typed up the recipe I

used its in the archives somewhere I bet (10 months ago ish)

we ate alot of beef thurenger too - darn it, my kids would pull out

the butter! oh, olives are good too. The hard thing is that all the

" easy " foods have so much salt. and my husband thinks salt is one of

the roots of all evil (not celtic sea salt - just the " sea salt " they

use in olives and thurenger and...

> > >

> > > Thanks - you are so right. I can totally change the recipe

> >to make it more 'son friendly'. <snip>.

> > >

> > > *So today was not so bad for a first day. My son went off to

> >kindergarten and tried to explain to his teacher about his diet. She

> >gave him some crackers at snack time- not realizing the extent to my

> >son's diet. We had a meeting today though and I dropped

> >off 'approved' snack options for him. My daughter had a little more

> >trouble. The grocery store was upset #1 because she is so used to

> >going for the samples. Upset #2 was at Mommy and me class: today was

> >at the ice rink and they served hot chocolate with whipped cream-

> >just our luck. We had peppermint tea.

> >

> > > -Sara

> > >

> >

>

January 28, 2009

It is kind of like salami.

Irene

At 01:57 PM 1/27/2009, you wrote:

>I have not heard of Thuringer, but it will go out and get some (we live in

>California, so it looks like we'll be able to find it easily!).

>thanks for the tip!

>-Sara

>

January 28, 2009

Thanks for the input ! Flan sounds like a great idea. I didnt find the

recipe in the archives- I searched 'flan'- is there something else I should

type? I am sure I can fool around with the ingredients and make something the

children will like.

Tonight I made 'pancakes' out of mashed cauliflower, sauteed onion/garlic, eggs

and seasonings- fried in coconut oil- HUGE hit! Woo Hoo! It is fun for me to

cook for the family- I've been lonely on the diet these last 6 months

-Sara

January 28, 2009

>

> Thanks for the input !ï¿½ Flan sounds like a great idea.ï¿½ I

didnt find the recipe in the archives- I searched 'flan'- is there

* Well, I searched on my name and only came up with something from

april. I wonder if there is only 1 year or less of archives or something??

I remembered that the most popular " flan " I made was made with

spaghetti squash - but I did pretty much the same thing with zucchini.

Steamed the squash so it was soft and Hot and then put (2-3 cups??) it

in my food processor with .. totally guessing .. maybe 4 T of both

coconut oil and butter. Processed till smooth then added 6 eggs??

and cinnamon and nutmeg (Stevia if you want). Baked at 350 till set

(depending on how hot it was when you started.. 25-35 mins?)

I used to send little containers of this to church with my kids for a

" snack " kinda messy .. but it was the easiest thing to send that I

knew they would eat.

I just bought a spag squash tonight. maybe I ought to make this for

myself as a treat!

oh, now that almonds are in the diet, just imagine a butter/ ground

almond crust if you baked it in a pie plate.

January 28, 2009

Awesome - thank you so much! The almond pie crust sounds great! I

also just read a recipe for a zucchini pie crust....hmmmm....yum.

We eat a lot of spaghetti squash here. Lastnight I pureed some after baking it,

added stevia and cinnamon and both the children and myself thought it tasted

like applesauce (maybe it was wishful thinking!).

I'm going to try the flan tomorrow- sounds like a great thing for my son to take

to school for lunch!

-Sara

From: Gomez <lavive@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: starting children on diet- any tips?

Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 9:57 PM