Re: hashimotos thyroiditus

[Guest guest]

Hi, tell us your name please.

I have Hashimoto's and Adrenal fatigue... although maybe I can use the past

tense soon. I

have been able to stop all thyroid and adrenal medicine after being on the diet

for 1/2

year. There are many people on this list with thyroid symptoms because a low

good- fats,

high sugar/grains diet (which describes so many of us before Bee's program)

wreaks

hormonal havoc on us. The real cause of thyroid issues is that the Candida

Yeast stiffens

the cell walls and prevents nutrients from being utilized. Plus most of us with

thyroid

issues have compromised digestion... the HCl or sauerkraut on Bee's program

remedies

this. Hashimoto's is an auto-immune disorder mixed in with the thyroid

problems. This

diet will strengthen your immune system so that it can heal itself. From that

strengthened

place you will see what progress your thyroid makes. (Depends, too, on what the

condition of your thyroid is... how functional it is or can be once strengthened

by this

diet.)

Here are some links to thyroid info Bee's site. Read them to get a picture of

what's going

on and how Bee's program addresses it. Then we can discuss your questions.

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu4_7_1.php

Since you used mcg to describe your dosage, are you on synthetic thyroid? It

sounds like

you are saying you get no symptom relief from your dosage. What thyroid

symptoms do

you continue to experience?

All the best,

Marissa

>

> i just read someone else has a thyroid problem. i have been taking

> 150 mcg. it hardly does any good. i can't tell the difference when i

> am on it or not. i have taken thryoid for about 10 years so i imagine

> my thyroid gland is destroyed. are there any specific instructions?

> i have just started the diet.

>

[Guest guest]

i am so happy to get a reply , bonemilk! yes, i am taking synthroid

because armour didn't work at all. i might as well go back on it

because synthroid isn't working either. i am exhausted. 150 is a lot

for my weight. i am now 130 lbs, until a couple of months ago i was

120. thank you for your encouraging words. a doctor friend told me my

thryroid was probably destroyed by now, so i have been trying to accept

that. there is some information that adrenals could be the answer anyway.

my symptoms are and always have been exhaustion. insane exhaustion.

also cold feet and feeling cold a lot. i also have an emotional

fragility, that could be from just stress that is too ingrained now.

[Guest guest]

Dear :

So welcome. I assure you, you are in the right place. I was getting nowhere

with my

thyroid treatment and was facing a lifetime of medication and doctors bills

until I found

Bee's program. I have been off all thyroid meds for two months now.

> i am so happy to get a reply , bonemilk! yes, i am taking synthroid

> because armour didn't work at all. i might as well go back on it

> because synthroid isn't working either.

*** Synthroid is really crappy. Your Armour experience was probably

unsatisfying because

you most likely have some form of Adrenal fatigue that was/is unaddressed so the

Armour

didn't work. You have to deal with the Adrenal Fatigue first. But, in any

case.... you can

now heal all your hormones because that is what Bee's program does.

i am exhausted. 150 is a lot

> for my weight. i am now 130 lbs, until a couple of months ago i was

> 120. thank you for your encouraging words. a doctor friend told me my

> thryroid was probably destroyed by now, so i have been trying to accept

> that.

*** Try not to worry about that right now. It may be true and then you take

thyroid... but

in a natural form such as Armour which you will respond to once you heal your

adrenals--

-or your thyroid has a chance to revive itself because you are feeding it

properly and your

stressed adrenals get healed too.

there is some information that adrenals could be the answer anyway.

> my symptoms are and always have been exhaustion. insane exhaustion.

> also cold feet and feeling cold a lot. i also have an emotional

> fragility, that could be from just stress that is too ingrained now.

****Yes. All classic signs of Adrenal Fatigue. Bee's program addresses all

your issues,

beautifully. For example: the electrolyte drink is like lobster for adrenals.

They suck up

the minerals greedily. Don't skip the electrolyte drink. Take it faithfully

everyday. Also, I

know you are just starting, so please take it slow, but one thing to concentrate

on is

cutting out the grains as much as you can. They are particularly difficult for

people with

Hashi's.

I also suggest that you start taking the HCl as soon as you can. Hashi's

people have

notoriously low stomach acid and end up taking in only a fraction of their

nutrients. The

HCl will help you get more out of everything you eat. This includes supplements

and...it

includes your Synthroid. You may start to feel more effects from your Synthroid

dose.

Now here's my thinking about your Synthroid dose: it's not relieving your

symptoms, it's a

poor version of thyroid and you truly sound like you have underlying Adrenal

issues that

are causing problems with your uptake of the thyroid meds anyway. I think you

could

start tapering off the Synthroid soon.

When I started on the program, I was on Armour and Hydrocortisone. I did a

mini-taper

of about 1/3 less medicine when I was on the diet and supplements part firmly

because

the HCL was getting more medicine in my system even though I hadn't changed my

dose,

then I waited until I got past a certain point in my healing to stop the meds

entirely

because I didn't want die-off and thyroid symptoms to happen together. You,

however are

not being effectively treated by your meds, so it almost doesn't matter whether

you start

to taper them now. Does that make sense?

See what Bee suggests. Keep on making the changes, and take it slow. You are

already

exhausted and you probably won't want to go too fast because the die-off can

make you

feel like you have the flu. It's great you like the egg drink. I think it's

the single-most

amazing health drink I've ever known. We're here to support you.

Marissa

[Guest guest]

now i see your name is marissa. how long did you have hashis? did

you just start feeling hyper as you did the diet or were you having

tests? i am tempted to take this drug , low dose naltrexone, which

helps a lot of people get their endorphins up and it helps stop the

progression of disease. i assume bee is against that. were you

completely faithful to the diet?

thank you so much for answering my last message.

[Guest guest]

marissa,

fabulous answer. i feel very fortunate to have found this site. you

are certainly correct about the electrolyte drink, i love it and my

body wants it. a couple more questions. you said grains are bad.

yes, i read that, but i have just about convinced myself that sprouted

grain bread is okay. sourdough? i just can't figure out what to make

for breakfast. and i assume xylitol is out? i think i read that

saurkraut is the same as hcl. is this true? in any case, i slurped

up the sauerkraut, i could not believe my reaction to it.

susan

[Guest guest]

***Hi :

Glad you are responding so well to the electrolyte drink. It's liquid gold!

>you are certainly correct about the electrolyte drink, i love it and my

> body wants it. a couple more questions.

>you said grains are bad.

> yes, i read that, but i have just about convinced myself that sprouted

> grain bread is okay. sourdough? i just can't figure out what to make

> for breakfast.

****Many Hashi people have celiac or gluten intolerance. Perhaps a better way

to say that

is that Candida sufferers have celiac or gluten intolerance. Also, the body

reads starches

as sugars, so when you eat the grains you are feeding the yeasts. You will want

to work

towards a place where you cut out grains entirely. It's hard, I know... and

that is also a

clue about how addicted we are to the sugars because the yeast wants to be fed.

and i assume xylitol is out?

*** Yes. The only sweetener allowed is stevia.

Here's some info on sweeteners to help your resolve!

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/sweetslist.php

i think i read that

> saurkraut is the same as hcl. is this true? in any case, i slurped

> up the sauerkraut, i could not believe my reaction to it.

****You can use either HCl or unpasteurized sauerkraut to normalize your stomach

acid

and improve digestion/absorption.

All the best,

Marissa

[Guest guest]

> how long did you have hashis?

*** I think I may have had thyroid issues for a long time that were undiagnosed.

I think I

went into another phase of it after 911. I live in Brooklyn across the way and

downwind of

the WTC site and we were getting toxic air blown our way for months. I think it

just put

my system over the edge. Everything started falling apart after that.

>did you just start feeling hyper as you did the diet or were you having

> tests?

***I never went back to another doctor once I saw/felt/knew that this diet was

healing me.

You know they used to not use blood tests at all for thyroid disease. They just

went by

symptom clusters. So I feel I've read enough books on my thyroid to know the

difference

between hypo and hyper and to know when something is related to my thyroid or

when it

seems more adrenal in nature... but now that I'm clearing out the yeast and

letting my

body do the work that the drugs were trying imitate poorly, I don't think I need

tests at

the moment.

Other people may feel differently and that's fine because I think we just need

to be in

charge of our health and if you want testing to confirm your progress, then get

it. But, I've

seen doctors try to prescribe stuff to me and my husband incorrectly. For

example, your

cholesterol may rise on this program while you are detoxing because that is one

way the

body uses cholesterol to heal. Now if you get your cholesterol tested at this

phase of your

healing you may think you are going to die of a heart attack when nothing could

be

further from the truth, so you have to be able to interpret all the tests based

upon the

natural healing processes we are undertaking...and very few doctors will be able

to help

you interpret your tests from this vantage point.

i am tempted to take this drug , low dose naltrexone, which

> helps a lot of people get their endorphins up and it helps stop the

> progression of disease.

**** Yeah one of my doctors wanted me to take that. I read a little bit about

it and it

scared me... it's from the highly addictive opiate family I believe. Just

google around and

read stuff from a site that isn't trying to sell it and see what you think.

i assume bee is against that. were you

> completely faithful to the diet?

***This diet is what has finally given me my health back. And no I have not

been a saint. I

work with wine and cheese for a living, so I have to organize my cheats for my

work!!! But

the diet is so powerful that I am able to keep plugging away and get results. I

have still

not gotten back into exercise, although I think this may be just around the

corner for me,

and I used to train rigorously in karate. So, I've had to accept and deal with

where my

body is at and not push it.

> thank you so much for answering my last message.

>

You are welcome. Thyroid/hormone issues are intricately linked to yeast

overgrowth.

You'll find a lot of company here.

Marissa

[Guest guest]

>

> i am so happy to get a reply , bonemilk! yes, i am taking

synthroid

> because armour didn't work at all. i might as well go back on it

> because synthroid isn't working either. i am exhausted. 150 is a

lot

> for my weight. i am now 130 lbs, until a couple of months ago i

was

> 120. thank you for your encouraging words. a doctor friend told

me my

> thryroid was probably destroyed by now, so i have been trying to

accept

> that. there is some information that adrenals could be the answer

anyway.

> my symptoms are and always have been exhaustion. insane

exhaustion.

> also cold feet and feeling cold a lot. i also have an emotional

> fragility, that could be from just stress that is too ingrained

now.

+++Hi there. What is your name? Marissa helped you a lot with this,

but I want to assure you that your thyroid is " not " destroyed. Your

thyroid will recover and normalize as you progress on this program.

That's why it is important to lower thyroid meds so you do not throw

your thyroid into a tizzy at some point, when it is recovering.

I lost my thyroid due to overtreatments (iodine and meds) when I did

my candida program 20 years ago. I didn't know then what I know

now. My thyroid was actually starting to normalize, but because I

was on meds/iodine it went into a terrible tizzy, going from low to

high, which was Grave's Disease. Mine was so serious at that point I

could have had a stroke or heart attack, so it was zapped with

radioactive iodine which killed it.

Since it takes 1 month of natural healing for every year you've had a

health problem, figure out when you low thyroid symptoms first

started (not when you started on meds). Calculate the number of

months it will take for your thyroid to recover. For example if your

low thyroid symptoms started 10 years ago, it will take 10 months of

natural healing. Therefore, you should aim for being off all thyroid

meds within 8 months. It won't hurt you to not take thyroid meds,

but the symptoms may be hard to handle until your thyroid recovers.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> marissa,

> fabulous answer. i feel very fortunate to have found this site.

you

> are certainly correct about the electrolyte drink, i love it and my

> body wants it. a couple more questions. you said grains are bad.

> yes, i read that, but i have just about convinced myself that

sprouted

> grain bread is okay. sourdough? i just can't figure out what to

make

> for breakfast. and i assume xylitol is out? i think i read that

> saurkraut is the same as hcl. is this true? in any case, i

slurped

> up the sauerkraut, i could not believe my reaction to it.

++Hi . If you need a better bread while you are changing over to

this program, yes, sprouted grain bread and sourdough are okay if they

do not contain bleached flour, sugar, etc.

Instead of bread you'd do better with buckwheat, millet, or quinoa,

which are non-gluten and more like seeds than grains. But they need to

be soaked or cooked long enough - here's a buckwheat pancake recipe you

can try: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe186.php

Here's how to properly prepare grains, which includes soaking

instructions: http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/foods18.php

Try Bee's Egg Drink for breakfast, but start with 1 egg or egg yolk and

less butter and coconut oil, since they are antifungal, and gradually

increase the amounts. The recipe is completely adjustable, i.e.

spices, etc. according to how many eggs you use - here's the recipe:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/recipes/recipe167.php

The best, Bee