Re: Breastfeeding and Yeast

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

I highly recommend that you contact your local La Leche League (in addition to

recieving Bee's advice).

http://www.llli.org/WebUS.html

they can help insure that your baby doesnt become nipple confused as well as

help you to heal your nipples.  LLL has all the answers to dealing with thrush. 

Their services are free and they love to help breastfeeding mothers.

-Sara

[Guest guest]

What worked for me was lots of probiotics for the baby (natren

Lifestart, bifidus only), and me. Along with sunning the nipples for

10 minutes everyday. There was one point I tried the gentian violet

solution too. Oh and make sure to use a new towel every bath, change

bras/breast pads frequently, and was anything that comes in contact

with the thrush in hot water.

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> Bee,

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> I'm pretty certain that I have a yeast infection on my nipples. I'm

> curious if you have any " homemade " remedies for this?

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> I've got burning and itching and they're awfully pink. Its been so bad

> that I've had to start pumping because his nursing is plain painful.

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> I don't want to get too far into just pumping to where he doesn't want

> to nurse again though so I'm hoping for some type of remedy.

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> Thank you,

>

> Nell

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[Guest guest]

Sara,

Thank you mucho. I've emailed a few of the ladies in my area for help

with the nipple confusion and the yeast. I did find a really helpful

article here http://breastfeeding.hypermart.net/thrush.html with lots

of ideas.

I know I need to get more aggressive with my candida diet to really

nip it in the bud but I'm hoping something can be applied topically to

relieve the nipple pain right now ... and take care of the infection

in him.

Since this is systemic I wonder if it's in my breast milk and I'm

continuing to infect my baby with the yeast that way too?

Nell

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> Hi Nell,

> I highly recommend that you contact your local La Leche League (in

addition to recieving Bee's advice).

> http://www.llli.org/WebUS.html

> they can help insure that your baby doesnt become nipple confused as

well as help you to heal your nipples.� LLL has all the answers to

dealing with thrush.� Their services are free and they love to help

breastfeeding mothers.

> -Sara

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[Guest guest]

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Thanks for the reply. I'll look into that probiotic you mentioned.

Nell

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> > Bee,

> >

> > I'm pretty certain that I have a yeast infection on my nipples. I'm

> > curious if you have any " homemade " remedies for this?

> >

> > I've got burning and itching and they're awfully pink. Its been so bad

> > that I've had to start pumping because his nursing is plain painful.

> >

> > I don't want to get too far into just pumping to where he doesn't want

> > to nurse again though so I'm hoping for some type of remedy.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Nell

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Nell,

Good Luck!  With my first born, it took 3 months to get rid of the thrush (or so

I thought!).  with my second, it took closer to 5 months for the symptoms to go

away.  That was before I knew about candida and that it was in me (and them)-

not just on my nipples/their tongues. 

For a topical solution,  I mixed a tablespoon of vinegar to a cup of distilled

water and used cotton balls to bathe the nipple after each feeding- that seemed

to help a lot.  I drank tons of grapefruit seed extract and that eliminated all

my symptoms but didnt help them (I also did a very dilute solution for their

mouth).  mom.com has a lot of tips too for something to help in the

meantime.

http://www.kellymom.com/store/freehandouts/newman/C-CandidaProtocol.pdf

Good luck!  Thrush is so traumatic- my heart goes out to you!  At least you know

about the diet- that should help it go away much much faster!

-Sara

Oh- and as to the gentian violet: it has been shown to be carcinogenic in rats. 

I would try everything else first.

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Nell,

> I highly recommend that you contact your local La Leche League (in

addition to recieving Bee's advice).

> http://www.llli.org/WebUS.html

> they can help insure that your baby doesnt become nipple confused as

well as help you to heal your nipples.  LLL has all the answers to

dealing with thrush.  Their services are free and they love to help

breastfeeding mothers.

+++Hi Sara. Even though the La Leche League is very helpful to

breastfeeding Mothers, they do not understand candida in babies, and

even state that candida is contagious, which is not true. So I

wouldn't recommend them for candida issues.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> I'm pretty certain that I have a yeast infection on my nipples. I'm

> curious if you have any " homemade " remedies for this?

>

> I've got burning and itching and they're awfully pink. Its been so bad

> that I've had to start pumping because his nursing is plain painful.

>

> I don't want to get too far into just pumping to where he doesn't want

> to nurse again though so I'm hoping for some type of remedy.

+++Hi Nell. Welcome to our group. To understand candida and how to

treat it please read the articles emailed to you when you joined this

group. If you didn't keep them read How to Successfully Overcome

Candida, Curing Candida, How to Get Started, and Candida Treatments for

Babies & Children, which are all in this section on my website:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

Also, like I wrote to Sara, please do not rely on the La Leche League

to help you with candida, since they don't understand that candida is

not contagious, and the only cay to cure it is by building up the

immune system.

Direct treatments can help alleviate the discomforts from candida, but

they won't cure it until your immune system is built up.

However, often mothers think they have candida in their breasts, but

instead it is candida and other toxins coming out through their breast.

So please read the articles and then get back to us with questions and

concerns.

The best in health, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Sara,

>

> Thank you mucho. I've emailed a few of the ladies in my area for

help

> with the nipple confusion and the yeast. I did find a really helpful

> article here http://breastfeeding.hypermart.net/thrush.html with

lots

> of ideas.

>

> I know I need to get more aggressive with my candida diet to really

> nip it in the bud but I'm hoping something can be applied topically

to

> relieve the nipple pain right now ... and take care of the infection

> in him.

>

> Since this is systemic I wonder if it's in my breast milk and I'm

> continuing to infect my baby with the yeast that way too?

+++Hi Nell. Like I wrote before candida is not cured by killing it

off; it is only cured by building up the immune system with " proper

nutrients, " by eliminating foods and toxins that feed candida, and by

eliminiating toxins in general.

+++Most websites believe you can kill off candida, which isn't true,

and that candida is contagious, which also isn't true - please read

the articles I referred you to this morning instead.

To help the pain in your breast apply wet heat and/or soak in a hot

Epsom salt bath. Also apply unrefined coconut oil to your breasts

frequently (it will also help your baby).

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

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> Thanks for the reply. I'll look into that probiotic you mentioned.

+++Hi Nell. Probiotics won't help you or your baby at this point;

that's way it is the last step of the program. Also gentian violet is

very damaging.

Bee

[Guest guest]

*** I wonder if rubbing your nipples with coconut oil would help? It's

anti-fungal and

soothing.

I wouldn't recommend the probiotics. Try the coconut oil first. Probiotics are

the last stage

in Bee's program.

Marissa

> I know I need to get more aggressive with my candida diet to really

> nip it in the bud but I'm hoping something can be applied topically to

> relieve the nipple pain right now ... and take care of the infection

> in him.

> Nell

>

[Guest guest]

thats interesting.  When I was nursing my daughter we both had thrush and when I

started tandem nursing, my other child developed it as well.  If this is true,

how is thrush not contagious?

thanks,

sara

+++Hi Sara. Even though the La Leche League is very helpful to

breastfeeding Mothers, they do not understand candida in babies, and

even state that candida is contagious, which is not true. So I

wouldn't recommend them for candida issues.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell, I get the digest and don't often read it these days, but I

just wanted to jump in on this one...

I have never had the excruciating pain that some women get with

thrush in their breasts. However, my first daughter had persistent

thrush in her mouth, so I know how frustrating it is to try and work

on this issue when you are tired and exhausted and just wish you

could nurse your new baby and feel better!

I also wholeheartedly recommend La Leche League for advice to help

with pumping and nipple confusion, and helping to get that baby back

on your breast as soon as possible, and for tips on how to help baby

not develop a strong preference for the bottle. Have you thought of

nipple shields? I've never used them, but perhaps they could give

you enough relief so that you can continue feeding at the breast and

then wean yourself off of them as your candida improves?

I know Bee does not recommend probiotics or antifungals at this

point, but (with all due respect to Bee) my opinion is that if you

could get some topical relief from trying probiotics, apple cider

vinegar, or some pau d'arco tincture on your breasts and nipples

themselves, (if the coconut oil isn't doing the trick) it would be

worth it to make sure you're not going to compromise your

breastfeeding relationship.

I DO agree that none of those would lead to long-term health and

balance, and that Bee's diet is indeed great for curing the cause of

Candida, both in yourself and for your baby...so doing the diet would

still be the most important.

Also, one word of caution when starting the diet ... I would not

go " cold turkey " but instead ease into it as Bee recommends... I know

that's probably not your first instinct if you are in pain and want

to be able to breastfeed your baby normally again as soon as

possible... I have known a couple women though whose milk supply

really went down fast when they started a diet similar to Bee's " cold

turkey " ... you need to make sure you're replacing carb calories that

you used to eat with all the good fats and protein, and give your

body at least a few weeks to transition. So much to think about, but

it would be so yucky to find that the pain is gone, but that you

don't have much breastmilk left either!

good luck,

[Guest guest]

>

> thats interesting.  When I was nursing my daughter we both had thrush

and when I started tandem nursing, my other child developed it as

well.  If this is true, how is thrush not contagious?

+++Hi Sara. Under certain conditions candida changes from a friendly

bacteria into an overgrowing monster within each person's body

independent of anyone or anything else.

+++Babies acquire their parent's " nutritional status " upon conception

(both Mom & Dad), so if either parent has a depressed immune system

and/or candida, the baby is born with a depressed immune system/candida.

+++You can no more " catch " candida from someone else than you

can " catch " their broken finger.

+++Please read this article to understand more thoroughly how babies

acquire candida upon conception:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/baby.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I understand how babies get candida at conception.  What I was curious about was

how my 3.5 year old got it when he started nursing (his sister and I had a nasty

thrush issue).  He didnt have any symptoms before so it seemed that he " caught "

it from us.  Also he weaned during that time and the thrush went away very

quickly.

 Just curious-

-Sara

From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Breastfeeding and Yeast

Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 1:11 AM

>

> thats interesting.  When I was nursing my daughter we both had thrush

and when I started tandem nursing, my other child developed it as

well.  If this is true, how is thrush not contagious?

+++Hi Sara. Under certain conditions candida changes from a friendly

bacteria into an overgrowing monster within each person's body

independent of anyone or anything else.

+++Babies acquire their parent's " nutritional status " upon conception

(both Mom & Dad), so if either parent has a depressed immune system

and/or candida, the baby is born with a depressed immune system/candida.

+++You can no more " catch " candida from someone else than you

can " catch " their broken finger.

+++Please read this article to understand more thoroughly how babies

acquire candida upon conception:

http://www.healingn aturallybybee. com/articles/ baby.php

Bee

[Guest guest]

> ... Under certain conditions candida changes from a friendly

> bacteria into an overgrowing monster ...

Bacteria?

Candida is a yeast.

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Bee,

> I understand how babies get candida at conception.  What I was

curious about was how my 3.5 year old got it when he started nursing

(his sister and I had a nasty thrush issue).  He didnt have any

symptoms before so it seemed that he " caught " it from us.  Also he

weaned during that time and the thrush went away very quickly.

+++Hi Sara. Thrush in the mouth isn't the only candida symptom.

Diaper rash, rashes and eruptions on the skin, cradle cap and many

others are also caused by candida.

Bee

[Guest guest]

> > ... Under certain conditions candida changes from a friendly

> > bacteria into an overgrowing monster ...

>

> Bacteria?

> Candida is a yeast.

+++Yes, you are correct Roy. I usually write friendly organism

instead. My bad!

Bee