Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 Hi Jackie, I will have to contact my Internist / Cardiologist to find out the reasons why he told me to NEVER take anything containing iron -- as I really don't remember, however, I remember he was very adament about this! My Internist is also a Board Certified Cardiologist, who has treated over 1000 breast implant ladies in the DFW area. He does believe in alternative medicine, therefore the reason why I and many others have gone through antioxidant IV therapy with him. I had to go for over 2+ years to get to the point where I could tolerate enough vitamin C orally, and I continue to have to go back for a few " jump-starts " each year. As soon as I find out about the iron, I will let you know, however, I do know anything containing 'iron' is a defininte " No-No " with him. Possibly, this is because of the metals already in our body? Blessings, MM / NSIF Martha Murdock, DirectorNational Silicone Implant FoundationDallas, Texas Headquarters -----Original Message-----From: Jackie <poopie@...> < >Date: Friday, February 09, 2001 11:22 PMSubject: Re: Patty Hi Patty, I'm happy to hear you are not feeling depressed any longer. When you described the brain fog as having a head full of cotton I can identify with that. I also lose my train of thought very easy and unless I have an attentive listener, I'm lost and have to admit it to save face. I hope that will change once I have the operation. Food reactions/sensitivities definately bring this on for me as well. For me, I describe them as almost 'flu like' symptoms. I hope you get this narrowed down or eliminated soon Patty. You've been dealing with this for some time now. At least your energy is much better than it was before. The depression started lifting about Thurs Feb 1, because I started getting more energy and each day has just improved incredibly. We did get our insulation in last Saturday and what a difference it has made in keeping the heat in the house. It took us 5 hrs to complete that task and then we moved my son and then took the couple out for dinner that helped us all day. Whew! I rested all day Sunday and knew that I overdid it. Each day this week tho I have gotten up with a bit more energy and breezed thru my day with not much effort. I am walking about 2 miles a day on my lunch break and look forward to that. I've been eating pretty healthy but ya know why I think this is. I started experimenting with SAM-e 2 weeks ago with just one pill a day to allow my body to adjust and then I increased to 3 pills a day and just felt wonderful with increased energy and happiness, overall wellbeing. I have run out of SAM-e now and have had to go back to SJW because Canada doesn't allow SAM-e across the border. The only way I can get it is to go across the line and smuggle it and that might not be so bad but the exchange rate is horrendous. I have added iron supplements, folic acid, chromium with vanadium, & potassium. I also take alot of vit c and antioxidants, silymarin & evening primrose oil so I don't know for sure if it was the SAM-e that is solely responsible for the mood lift or if it was the combination but I'm sure we'll soon find out. Yes the stress load we tend to put on ourselves can be pretty horrendous to say the least. I'm doing my best to stay positive and have to admit that its been pretty darned easy this past week with the increased energy. I just hope I can maintain this level and keep improving day by day. Thanks for asking Patty. I will check back soon. Take care, Jackie From: Patty Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Patty Hi Jackie! Did you get all your attic insulation in???? How are you doing now? I hope your depression is lifting. I had a bout of it recently, as a result of some stress and drinking some coffee, a big no-no for me, but thankfully, it has lifted now. I do think it is all related to the stress in our lives, as well as wrong eating. It really felt like a major chemical imbalance. You are going through a very stressful period right now, waiting for your surgery date to be pinpointed, and I know how hard it is to wait. Just focus on happy thoughts and try to get some sunshine and enjoy the beauty of your surroundings. I didn't do that enough when I should have. As for the brain fog, that has been one symptom that is really, really hard to describe. I have used so many different terms for it, but for me the best way to describe it is " spacey " . I feel like my brain is floating separately from my body, and I find it harder to concentrate on things. My head feels like it is stuffed full of cotton balls instead of hard working brain cells. It is harder to have full, meaningful converstations, and is much easier to just be still and quiet, although everyone around me sees me as acting normal. I want to sort of zone out instead of snapping to it. It feels like my head is inflamed, or something chemically is wrong inside there. It is not a headache, but just a feeling of weirdness that I don't know if anyone can understand unless they have had it themselves. As a matter of fact, I have it right now, and I am not very happy about that! I have alot of energy and am doing OK that way. But when the brain fog hits, (and it does " hit " and come on fairly quickly), it just makes me go into slow motion and want to chill out for awhile, although I can force myself to do things. I just would rather not! It usually hits about an hour after a meal, or later in the afternoon, but hasn't been happening as often lately. I am pretty convinced that the brain fog is a result of allergic reaction to foods, and to hormonal fluctuations associated with menstruation. I almost always get brain fog after eating chocolate, corn, B-vitamins by pill, and I am still trying to figure out which other foods do it to me. Usually, high saturated fat foods, or deep fried foods, which I almost totally avoid with an occasional slip here and there. There was a recent posting about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome from Ilena that had a description of the brain fog in it, and I was going yes, yes, yes, that is it, somebody knows about this! I need to review that article again. I have heard that the liver flush can really help with allergies. I have done it a couple of times, and it isn't so bad. Take care, I really pray that you hear about the medical insurance soon. Let us know! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:28 AM Subject: Patty Thanks Patty. I know, it is baffling to have to wait so long but I think its all that beaurocratic crap of paper pushing that takes our government forever to get thru. I did call Sue (the recept at my PS's office) and asked her what it would cost me to pay for the surgery. She told me $1250.00 but advised that I wait for the medical insurance to approve it and I guess that is my feeling also right now. She said that I could be looking at surgery at the end of March. I did some more research last Wed night regarding SAM-e for depression and found some other supplement recommendations that would help with the depression and energy. Since I had them in my cupboard I started taking them on Thurs and I don't know if they would improve things that quickly or if it was all in my head but I actually had energy Thurs and Fri. I've been sticking really close to a sugar-free and yeast-free diet and I know that has helped as well. I'm taking SAM-e right now and have for a week but have stepped it up to 3 tablets a day instead of the one I was doing prior to Thurs to let my system adjust to it as recommended. The lousy part is that Canada had banned it off the shelf so if I want to stay on it I have to cross the line and buy it in Washington. St 's Wort has been helpful in the past but since I had the SAM-e here I thought I'd use it. The worst for me is the depression, it seems to sap me of all strength and energy. With the strict diet and supplements, I figure if I can slowly detox my body before the surgery maybe the recovery will be smooth sailing so I am trying to stay positive about the long wait. Are you still having trouble with your energy as well? How's your head doing? Still foggy? When you all talked about being foggy I didn't think I could relate to it. I have known for a long time now that my memory is poor but what I am especially aware of right now is that when I read or learn something, that info seems to drift off into a fog in my brain and I have to try real hard to remember it and lots of time I don't. I have to write everything down and have for a long time but lately moreso. Is that what you all mean with brain fog? Well, today we are putting insulation in our attic so I guess I had better get off my butt and get things started. Yuch! I'd rather be sewing or reading or maybe something fun. lol See ya all later and have a great weekend. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2001 Report Share Posted February 26, 2001 Hi Caren, I must have missed this message. Did you get the e-mail address I gave you for Donna Townes? Did you contact her? I don't know what else to tell you about her other than I know she wrote a book about her breast implant experiences and she used alot of acupuncture. She lives in Texas somewhere. I hope that you are beginning to feel better with your new outlook and relaxing therapies. It does take time after your surgery for things to calm down, but you can do alot at home to feel better. Try the epsom salt baths. The magnesium in it will help to relax your muscles. Let your husband give you a massage with some sweet almond oil and lavender essential oil. Put on some soothing music and just close your eyes and meditate, or spend an afternoon laughing and enjoying your family. Your desire to do this is one of the best things you can do for yourself. Stay positive! Hugs, Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: <JCKCI@...> < > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Patty > I would like some info on the lady with the accupuncture. I do get > the massages and take nice relaxing baths. Sometimes I can't get > myself to relax and calm down. My body gets over stressed sometimes. > Now that the surgery is done i'm trying to put even thing into a > different perspective. I am trying to be a happier person and laugh > and enjoy life more. I feel if I do that I will get better to. > > > Thanks > > Caren > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Patty what an excellent reply you received and I can't believe how helpful this woman is. Now I really wish I had booked my surgery for the next avail date instead of after the wedding. Altho the supplements I am taking are helping they are only maintaining my energy levels at functionable and not exceptional. I can't wait for May 28th. Thanks for all the wonderful research you do and pass onto us. I for one really do appreciate it. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: ANA LEVELS > Patty it is interesting that we have such similiar symptoms yet labs> that are different, like you have the RF that is up and I have this> ana thing, it all has to be the same source, thats a pretty apparent> thing to me.HI ,You know, I never really paid attention to my ANA levels...and apparently Ididn't need to. I just looked at my blood test from the first time I did it,and it was negative. It was never tested again. But my rheumatoid factorwas the only thing that was out of whack, along with my lowered C3complement, and "morphology" instead of saying normal, said "macrocytosis".I got an interesting letter from Carolyn Bormann, ND. FINALLY, anexplanation about the C3 Complement! Here are parts of her letter that areilluminating. I haven't decided what to do yet, but I CAN say that I havebeen feeling WONDERFUL lately, and I think it is because of all theanti-virals and herbs I am taking now.<(Patty) Question: When you say "aggressive" regimen, what does thisentail?>(DR. : I can only give you generalities. We don't do cookbook medicine,natural or otherwise. I can't tell youexactly what we'd do without a history and consultation and diagnostics.Generally, however, after a consultation and history, the first step isto get good diagnostics so we know what "hits" your immune system isdealing with. Classic & Stealth Microbial infections (Viral,Fungal,Bacterial, Mycoplasmal, L-Forms, etc.), Chemical, Electrical, Mineral.Organ detox & function status..Gastrointestinal, Bowels, Liver, Kidneys,Lymphatics. Active Hormone Tissue Levels (saliva) and Thyroidconversion, etc.<How do you test for the stealth virus, or mycobacteria? >These areblood serum tests which are cultured over time. It usually takes 2-3weeks to get results. I use several labs including Dr.Mattman,Dr.Knox's, AAL, etc. They're not cheap tests ... the diagnostics for apatient like you sometimes can run into the hundreds of dollars andbecause they're research based tests, they're not covered by insuranceusually (non-medicared coded).Once all this prep work is done and we know the status of your detoxability, toxin load, etc. we start the customized"blitzkreig"...aggressive therapy to get some fast reduction of loads soyour immune system can recover. However, before we can do this, we haveto get rid of the feeding grounds...Have you had your implants outyet? Until you do, it's going to be a very hard battle...and mosttherapies will have very limited benefit.This is a customized treatment program in phases. You don't just go inand start killing bugs...the bugs are there feeding on something and wehave to remove their food supply or it does no good...(when acompromised patient like yourself has been contaminated with cysplatinum(a reagent which is a chemotherapy drug present in ALL implants), itdestroys your immune system slowly over time and makes you verysusceptible to this opportunistic stuff...< I also have a lowered C3 Complement, and have not found ANY doctor sofar to give me a clear answer on what THAT means.>Well, you've never met anyone like me...I love to teach mypatients...we're a team...I can't heal anyone...only God combined withyour body and spirit and will can and I'm just an info. partner andfacilitator...Class is in Session . . . Complement C3 is a gut (endothelial lining)metabolic tissue enzyme (C3 Convertase) activated by polysaccharides(grains & fungi / yeast specifically)... that has to do withinactivating the proinflammatory toxins of infectious agents & endotoxins that hit the gut lining like bacteria, virus', etc. Thepathway is triggered by complex polysaccharides, including endotoxin(direct product of the implants). Decreased levels are noted in somecases of autoimmune anemia, sickle cell disease, bacteremia, nephrosis,and nephritis, rheumatoid A., lupus, Sjorgens, Candiadiasis and otherfungal infections. The C3 is probably tied to your rheumatoid factorelevation which is from viral and fungal infection inflammatorybyproducts most likely and allergies. Have you also had any vaccinesincluding tetnus, since this started?...what about in the hospitalduring surgery? Kidneys are commonly affected also...which affectsadrenals and heart function, etc.The reason C3 is elevated in patients like yourself is that you'reimmune system has been tremendously damaged by several events bothtraumatic and chronic....endotoxic agents from the implants (cisplatinumis a synthetic mineral and a chemo drug used to this day as a reagent inthe manufacture of the sacs...it's what is killing women much more thansilicone). You were probably given massive i.v. antibiotics during andafter surgery (it's common medical practice in surgeries ) which alsoreduces your immunocompetence through destruction of protective good gutbacteria...and then overgrowth of these yeasts damages and depletes yourC3 enzymes... it's not permanent but reversible once the immune systemcan recover after the reduction and removal of the insulting agents andprocedures...Well, there's alot more I can probably help you with and teach you butI can't go into here since you're not a patient and its extremely timeintensive. If you want to contract my services, I'll be glad to helpany way I can...feel free to go to my webpage and click on theAppointment link and go from there.http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/God Bless you in your quest for wellness...I hope we can work together.Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.********* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2001 Report Share Posted April 2, 2001 Hi Jackie! Hang on, May 28th will come! I know the feeling well. My world just about stopped until I got those things out of me, it couldn't come fast enough. I am thankful that there ARE some knowledgeable people out there who are willing to communicate with us and tell us what they know about healing from immune devastation from implants. They are so few and far between. I am waiting to hear back from Dr. Bormann, and I will share what she tells me with all of you. I just don't have time to make any appointments right now--my schedule is way too full as it is, but I would love to see if she can suggest anything else than what I am doing now, and I am doing quite alot! I've been feeling great.....it's been such a blessing...and the herbs have really helped. I can tell when I miss my dose. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:30 PM Subject: Patty Patty what an excellent reply you received and I can't believe how helpful this woman is. Now I really wish I had booked my surgery for the next avail date instead of after the wedding. Altho the supplements I am taking are helping they are only maintaining my energy levels at functionable and not exceptional. I can't wait for May 28th. Thanks for all the wonderful research you do and pass onto us. I for one really do appreciate it. Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: Re: ANA LEVELS > Patty it is interesting that we have such similiar symptoms yet labs> that are different, like you have the RF that is up and I have this> ana thing, it all has to be the same source, thats a pretty apparent> thing to me.HI ,You know, I never really paid attention to my ANA levels...and apparently Ididn't need to. I just looked at my blood test from the first time I did it,and it was negative. It was never tested again. But my rheumatoid factorwas the only thing that was out of whack, along with my lowered C3complement, and "morphology" instead of saying normal, said "macrocytosis".I got an interesting letter from Carolyn Bormann, ND. FINALLY, anexplanation about the C3 Complement! Here are parts of her letter that areilluminating. I haven't decided what to do yet, but I CAN say that I havebeen feeling WONDERFUL lately, and I think it is because of all theanti-virals and herbs I am taking now.<(Patty) Question: When you say "aggressive" regimen, what does thisentail?>(DR. : I can only give you generalities. We don't do cookbook medicine,natural or otherwise. I can't tell youexactly what we'd do without a history and consultation and diagnostics.Generally, however, after a consultation and history, the first step isto get good diagnostics so we know what "hits" your immune system isdealing with. Classic & Stealth Microbial infections (Viral,Fungal,Bacterial, Mycoplasmal, L-Forms, etc.), Chemical, Electrical, Mineral.Organ detox & function status..Gastrointestinal, Bowels, Liver, Kidneys,Lymphatics. Active Hormone Tissue Levels (saliva) and Thyroidconversion, etc.<How do you test for the stealth virus, or mycobacteria? >These areblood serum tests which are cultured over time. It usually takes 2-3weeks to get results. I use several labs including Dr.Mattman,Dr.Knox's, AAL, etc. They're not cheap tests ... the diagnostics for apatient like you sometimes can run into the hundreds of dollars andbecause they're research based tests, they're not covered by insuranceusually (non-medicared coded).Once all this prep work is done and we know the status of your detoxability, toxin load, etc. we start the customized"blitzkreig"...aggressive therapy to get some fast reduction of loads soyour immune system can recover. However, before we can do this, we haveto get rid of the feeding grounds...Have you had your implants outyet? Until you do, it's going to be a very hard battle...and mosttherapies will have very limited benefit.This is a customized treatment program in phases. You don't just go inand start killing bugs...the bugs are there feeding on something and wehave to remove their food supply or it does no good...(when acompromised patient like yourself has been contaminated with cysplatinum(a reagent which is a chemotherapy drug present in ALL implants), itdestroys your immune system slowly over time and makes you verysusceptible to this opportunistic stuff...< I also have a lowered C3 Complement, and have not found ANY doctor sofar to give me a clear answer on what THAT means.>Well, you've never met anyone like me...I love to teach mypatients...we're a team...I can't heal anyone...only God combined withyour body and spirit and will can and I'm just an info. partner andfacilitator...Class is in Session . . . Complement C3 is a gut (endothelial lining)metabolic tissue enzyme (C3 Convertase) activated by polysaccharides(grains & fungi / yeast specifically)... that has to do withinactivating the proinflammatory toxins of infectious agents & endotoxins that hit the gut lining like bacteria, virus', etc. Thepathway is triggered by complex polysaccharides, including endotoxin(direct product of the implants). Decreased levels are noted in somecases of autoimmune anemia, sickle cell disease, bacteremia, nephrosis,and nephritis, rheumatoid A., lupus, Sjorgens, Candiadiasis and otherfungal infections. The C3 is probably tied to your rheumatoid factorelevation which is from viral and fungal infection inflammatorybyproducts most likely and allergies. Have you also had any vaccinesincluding tetnus, since this started?...what about in the hospitalduring surgery? Kidneys are commonly affected also...which affectsadrenals and heart function, etc.The reason C3 is elevated in patients like yourself is that you'reimmune system has been tremendously damaged by several events bothtraumatic and chronic....endotoxic agents from the implants (cisplatinumis a synthetic mineral and a chemo drug used to this day as a reagent inthe manufacture of the sacs...it's what is killing women much more thansilicone). You were probably given massive i.v. antibiotics during andafter surgery (it's common medical practice in surgeries ) which alsoreduces your immunocompetence through destruction of protective good gutbacteria...and then overgrowth of these yeasts damages and depletes yourC3 enzymes... it's not permanent but reversible once the immune systemcan recover after the reduction and removal of the insulting agents andprocedures...Well, there's alot more I can probably help you with and teach you butI can't go into here since you're not a patient and its extremely timeintensive. If you want to contract my services, I'll be glad to helpany way I can...feel free to go to my webpage and click on theAppointment link and go from there.http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/God Bless you in your quest for wellness...I hope we can work together.Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.********* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Hi Jackie, I say go ahead and give it a shot. I don't think it can hurt you at this point. I have noticed nothing but improvement since I started taking my herbs. I am feeling pretty much normal all day long, with only a few stretches where my head feels funny. But overall, they have made me a believer in the power of herbs! I have added Damiana and Donq Quai to my growing list of herbal supplements. I stopped taking them for a few days, as I was going on another cleansing fast, and when I broke the fast early, (my in-laws came) I didn't add them back in right away. Boy, could I tell. I felt much better after getting back on my regular 3 times a day program. My breasts do seem fuller to me now than before. I can't say that I've seen overwhelming growth or change, but I do feel that they are fuller, and it feels good. Hope this helps you. Let me know what your experiences are too! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Patty Hey Patty, how are you doing with those herbs? I went and bought them individually and have not started them yet. At first I was thinking I should wait until after the explant but now I'm thinking that if they are going to help balance out my hormones maybe I should be giving my body a helping hand. What do you think? Let me know how its working for you and what you've noticed with over all general wellness compared to before you added them into your daily regime. Thanks Patty. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Thanks for your reply Patty and I will let you know how it goes. I'm not sure when I'll start them but am considering it soon. I'm glad your feeling good Patty, I've always believed in natural and herbs. Its a good way to go. Take care, Jackie ----- Original Message ----- From: Patty Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Patty Hi Jackie, I say go ahead and give it a shot. I don't think it can hurt you at this point. I have noticed nothing but improvement since I started taking my herbs. I am feeling pretty much normal all day long, with only a few stretches where my head feels funny. But overall, they have made me a believer in the power of herbs! I have added Damiana and Donq Quai to my growing list of herbal supplements. I stopped taking them for a few days, as I was going on another cleansing fast, and when I broke the fast early, (my in-laws came) I didn't add them back in right away. Boy, could I tell. I felt much better after getting back on my regular 3 times a day program. My breasts do seem fuller to me now than before. I can't say that I've seen overwhelming growth or change, but I do feel that they are fuller, and it feels good. Hope this helps you. Let me know what your experiences are too! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackie Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: Patty Hey Patty, how are you doing with those herbs? I went and bought them individually and have not started them yet. At first I was thinking I should wait until after the explant but now I'm thinking that if they are going to help balance out my hormones maybe I should be giving my body a helping hand. What do you think? Let me know how its working for you and what you've noticed with over all general wellness compared to before you added them into your daily regime. Thanks Patty. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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