Re:Chlorella - J.

[Guest guest]

FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury toxic)

without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too without side

effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

minority......but we exist!

I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood. It's true

that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do, however, use many

interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to support them.

Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be in the

situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and so I

do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella, and if so

why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

Thanks,

Abigail

[Guest guest]

A lot of people play russian roulette and are just fine too. Doens't mean it is

a good idea

to do it with yourself or your kid.

> FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury toxic)

> without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too without side

> effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> minority......but we exist!

>

> I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood. It's true

> that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do, however, use many

> interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to support them.

> Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be in the

> situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and so I

> do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella, and if so

> why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

>

I am against it because

It does not bind mercury, it just stirs it up

It is often contaminated with heavy metals and makes people more poisoned

Everything it does is easily done using other supplements with no contamination

risk

Andy

[Guest guest]

I'm against chlorella because I saw what a product containing

chlorella did to a friend of mine - made her horribly ill after

amalgam removal when she was already frail - probably by the 'stirring

up' of mercury mechanism that Andy mentioned. Then when I

investigated and found that there was _nothing_ supporting the use of

it for poisoned people I became even more against it.

I understand the dilema that parents face when they are feeling the

pressure to make the best decision for their child in the midst of

hearing conflicting information. The only thing I can suggest is

asking the proponents to 'show the evidence' they have to back it and

I think that they will come up with some pond water studies - doesn't

cut it. And, to listen to the adult reports as they go by. There

have been some here and many in the adult groups.

There are studies that support the use of DMSA, DMPS and ALA for

chelation.

J

>

> FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury toxic)

> without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too without

side

> effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> minority......but we exist!

>

> I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood. It's

true

> that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do, however,

use many

> interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to support

them.

> Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be in the

> situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and so I

> do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella, and

if so

> why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

>

> Thanks,

> Abigail

>

[Guest guest]

My experience is that different substances work for different people

in the world of ASD/toxicity. For example, whereas chlorella and

NDF Plus have been wonderful for us, DMSA kicked up holy hell for my

son in yeast - yeast that we weren't successful in protecting him

against with remedies - and it took a couple of months to knock it

back to manageable levels. I was in despair. I wouldn't touch oral

DMSA for him again, ALTHOUGH I'd be perfectly open to someone else

trying it, cautiously. TD-DMPS worked for a few weeks before he

started regressing with angry behaviour, something totally

uncharacteristic of him. It stopped after we stopped the DMPS. Now

we may try DMPS suppositiories, but we'll go slow and watch.

I've also heard of people who react poorly to chlorella, but no more

than to any other substance used in ASD/toxicity. That's the bitch

of this situation. Different people regress with all manner of

things that help others. Some are helped by most supplements, some

regress on many of them. Some do fine on the 8 hourly DMSA even

though the 4 hourly is necessary for most. You may be right that

chlorella stirred up mercury for your friend, but I don't think we

can know whether it was that or 1)her individual intolerance to

chlorella, or 2)intolerance to another ingredient in the product, or

3)she would have been very ill anyway from amalgam removal, since

she was frail already - not an easy time to remove amalgams, - or 4)

she didn't use a pure product, or 5) you get the picture.

So many variables and varying individual chemistries.

Just MHO.

> >

> > FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury

toxic)

> > without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too

without

> side

> > effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> > minority......but we exist!

> >

> > I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood.

It's

> true

> > that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do,

however,

> use many

> > interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to

support

> them.

> > Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be

in the

> > situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and

so I

> > do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella,

and

> if so

> > why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Abigail

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My experience is that different substances work for different people

in the world of ASD/toxicity. For example, whereas chlorella and

NDF Plus have been wonderful for us, DMSA kicked up holy hell for my

son in yeast - yeast that we weren't successful in protecting him

against with remedies - and it took a couple of months to knock it

back to manageable levels. I was in despair. I wouldn't touch oral

DMSA for him again, ALTHOUGH I'd be perfectly open to someone else

trying it, cautiously. TD-DMPS worked for a few weeks before he

started regressing with angry behaviour, something totally

uncharacteristic of him. It stopped after we stopped the DMPS. Now

we may try DMPS suppositiories, but we'll go slow and watch.

I've also heard of people who react poorly to chlorella, but no more

than to any other substance used in ASD/toxicity. That's the bitch

of this situation. Different people regress with all manner of

things that help others. Some are helped by most supplements, some

regress on many of them. Some do fine on the 8 hourly DMSA even

though the 4 hourly is necessary for most. You may be right that

chlorella stirred up mercury for your friend, but I don't think we

can know whether it was that or 1)her individual intolerance to

chlorella, or 2)intolerance to another ingredient in the product, or

3)she would have been very ill anyway from amalgam removal, since

she was frail already - not an easy time to remove amalgams, - or 4)

she didn't use a pure product, or 5) you get the picture.

So many variables and varying individual chemistries.

Just MHO.

> >

> > FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury

toxic)

> > without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too

without

> side

> > effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> > minority......but we exist!

> >

> > I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood.

It's

> true

> > that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do,

however,

> use many

> > interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to

support

> them.

> > Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be

in the

> > situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and

so I

> > do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella,

and

> if so

> > why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Abigail

> >

>

[Guest guest]

My experience is that this stuff made me REALLY sick. Andy is not

joking..it stirs mercury all right. The effects will depend on how

much mercury you have in the first place.

Either way, why risk moving it around? As I have read it, if you are

able to take it without side effect, you may not have a mercury

problem at all. I know I have three bottles of it and will never

touch it again, and I only tried it ONCE! I never felt so terrible

in my life as I did that night. So for those with serious Hg

issues..avoid it.

>

> A lot of people play russian roulette and are just fine too.

Doens't mean it is a good idea

> to do it with yourself or your kid.

>

> > FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury

toxic)

> > without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too

without side

> > effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> > minority......but we exist!

> >

> > I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood.

It's true

> > that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do,

however, use many

> > interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to

support them.

> > Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be

in the

> > situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and

so I

> > do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella,

and if so

> > why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

> >

> I am against it because

>

> It does not bind mercury, it just stirs it up

>

> It is often contaminated with heavy metals and makes people more

poisoned

>

> Everything it does is easily done using other supplements with no

contamination risk

>

> Andy

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this is very topical because as of this morning I have reason

to believe that my son is extremely mercury toxic. I was going to

post about it when I felt less stunned than I do. We got back his

Paris Urinary Fractionated Porphyrins test by email with the

following results:

19/12/06

Uroporphyrins I & III (UP) 67 nmol 7-14 Increased rate

Heptacarboxy porphyrin (7cxP) 8,0 nmol 1,5-3,5 Increased rate

Hexacarboxy porphyrin (6cxP) 3,3 nmol 0,4-0,8 Increased rate

Pentacarboxy porphyrin (5cxP) 12,9 nmol 1,0-2,9 strongly increased

rate

Precoproporphyrin (prCP) 103,3 nmol 2-5 strongly increased rate

Coproporphyrins I & III (cP) 1224 nmol 50-90 strongly increased rate

prCP/UP PrecoP/Uro ratio 1,54 0,3-0,6

prCP/CP PrecoP/COP ratio 8 % 4-8

UP / CP uro/copro ratio 0,05 0,14-0,1

Interpretation

Strongly increased uro, hepta, pentacarboxy, precopro and

coproporphyrin

Urinary Porphyrin Profile suggestive a ***remarkable** mercury toxic

effect on bodily physiology (asterisks mine)

urinary creatinine 205 mg/l

I'm pretty freaked out.........I know Andy says the results

aren't " subtle " , with 2-3x reference range results, but this is far

worse. Amazingly, he's verbal, bright, impish, affectionate,

recovering daily...but clearly much sicker than I'd realized. Have

any of you seen results this high? His creatinine is low, but I'm

not sure that's great either.

As my husband said, at least it concentrates our minds on what to go

after.

Abigail

*

[Guest guest]

>

> My experience is that different substances work for different people

> in the world of ASD/toxicity.

I'd agree with that. But at the same time I think you can make

assessments about not just the likelihood that something might help,

but more critically what is the risk that something might cause

serious trouble -- not by looking at studies, but by reading parent

reports and paying extra attention to the bad ones. What are the

*worst results for a given treatment? What percentage of people who do

the treatment end up in a really bad place (especially a permanent bad

place)? We see a lot of those reports here, in the ugly aftermath.

It's not that I'm against studies, I just think the system is so

broken now that we don't have unbiased science anymore.

> For example, whereas chlorella and

> NDF Plus have been wonderful for us, DMSA kicked up holy hell for my

> son in yeast - yeast that we weren't successful in protecting him

> against with remedies - and it took a couple of months to knock it

> back to manageable levels.

While yeast is nasty and a gigantic pain in the booty, I don't at all

consider it a deal-breaker. If I had, chelation and antivirals

wouldn't have been possible and my son wouldn't be recovered. We're a

lot better at treating it than we were 3 years ago.

I know it makes me sound like a cult member, and man do I hate that,

but here goes: Andy keeps being right. In the 3 years + I've been

reading this list, I continue to stumble on some piece of info that

suddenly works for either me or my son, and it very often turns out to

be something I read in Andy's book or saw in one of his posts ages

ago. It's actually spooky how often that's happened. So even though I

am wildly distrustful of most doctors now, I am grudgingly trusting of

Andy, because I've seen his predictions and advice come true here,

time after time after time.

Nell

[Guest guest]

>

> My experience is that different substances work for different people

> in the world of ASD/toxicity. For example, whereas chlorella and

> NDF Plus have been wonderful for us, DMSA kicked up holy hell for my

According to the nutrition composition

Personally I don't think chlorella can mobolize mercury too much.

The percentage of Methionine & Cysteine isn't too high.

Some people may be allegic to its CGF or something else.

One problem is its glutamate and aspartate.

It is not free form like MSG. If you don't take too much, it should

not cause problems.

http://www.vedan.com.tw/products/pro01_007.html

100g of clorella

Arginine 4.04 g

Lysine 4.73 g

Histidine 1.31 g

Phenylalanine 2.76 g

Tyrosine 2.04 g

Leucine 5.11 g

Isoleucine 2.38 g

Methionine 1.35 g

Valine 3.56 g

Alanine 4.83 g

Glycine 3.49 g

Proline 2.76 g

Glutamic acid 7.36 g

Serine 2.27 g

Threonine 2.69 g

Aspartic acid 5.30 g

Tryptophan 1.04 g

Cysteine 0.74 g

http://www.vedan.com/english/products/pro01_004.html

Protein 69.2%

Fat 6.3%

Carbohydrates 13.2%

Fiber 1.2%

Moisture 3.8%

Ash 6.3%

C.G.F. 2.5 OD/g/l

CAL. 396.3 Kcal/100g

Mineral

Calcium 250 mg/100g

Iron 120 mg/100g

Magnesium 260 mg/100g

Sodium 29 mg/100g

Phosphorus 1,400 mg/100g

Potassium 1,300 mg/100g

General

Vitamin A 30,100 IU/100g

Vitamin B1 1.71 mg/100g

Vitamin B2 7.98 mg/100g

Vitamin B6 1.00 mg/100g

Vitamin B12 0.17 mg/100g

Vitamin C 40.8 mg/100g

Vitamin E 8.9 mg/100g

Carotene 54.1 mg/100g

Total Carotene 347 mg/100g

[Guest guest]

No, not using it.

>

>

> In a message dated 02/01/2007 02:56:12 GMT Standard Time,

> acfloe@... writes:

>

> I'm pretty freaked out.........I'm pretty freaked out...

> aren't " subtle " , with 2-3x reference range results, but this is

far

> worse. Amazingly, he's verbal, bright, impish, affectionate,

> recovering daily...but clearly much sicker than I'd realized.

Have

> any of you seen results this high? His creatinine is low, but I'm

> not sure that's great either.

>

>

>

> >>>>Are you still using Chorella? This is a measure of porphyrins

in the

> kidneys, you stir a lot up you get a high reading

>

> Mandi x

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Based on our experiences with Chlorella, I think Andy is right.

Chlorella seemed to be stirring up the metals(in our case especially

so from the knee joints and jaw joints) but not excreting it.

We have used Chlorella along with Cilantro for about 5 months last

year on our then 6 yr old moderately autistic son. My husband who is

also severly metal poisoined used it. The first thing he complained

after taking chlorella, was that his knee and jaw joints hurting a

lot. But after a few days, he was doing much better. We too have

seen some good benefits with it in both my son and husband, but the

improvements stagnated after a span of 2 months or so. The reason we

stopped this protocol was for the fear that Chlorella might be

contaminated. Also, in 5 months we were expecting to see some

significant improvements but it didn't happen. We were not doing

anything else except the chlorella/cilantro protocol and calcium

supplements. This made us believe that Chlorella was stirring up the

metals but not excreting it. We think it MAY NOT be binding to

mercury otherwise we should have seen improvements in my son.

We are currently on round 12 of the AC's protocol using ALA. We are

seeing some nice gains with every round.

But I must admit that the two areas where we have seen excellent

benefits of Chlorella were:

- as an absorbing agent when killing yeast. We used cocunut oil for

this, and without chlorella, we consistently observed a die-off

effect. But with chlorella, there was just no die-off.

- for better digestion. My son's appetite always improved with

chlorella. His stool was well formed. It could be the CGF.

Many times I'm tempted to use it for the yeast protocol,but I back

off from it just for the fear of taking unnecessary risks. :-)

In our chelation experiments, we learnt the hard way what Andy had

been saying all along about two major things,which made us believe

that Andy knows what he is talking about. One was about Chlorella,

the other was about the dosing schedule of ALA. My husband has

experimented on himself for about 3 months trying to determine the

right dosing schedule for ALA. He has tried with ALA every 8hrs on

alternate days, every 8hrs on every day, every 8hrs once in 3 days,

etc etc...(some days he drives me crazy with his experiments :-)).

He even tried every 8hrs for 10 days(this was somewhat better, but

he had a lot of mouth sores with this). All these dosing schedules

made him much worse with the settlement of the metals and

redistribution. The only schedule that worked well was every 3hrs

for 3 or more days(which Andy says), which we finally settled for.

Sorry for the long post.

Madhuri

>

> FWIW, I've used chlorella extensively (and am moderately mercury

toxic)

> without side effects. My 7 year old ASD son has used it too

without side

> effects and with apparent benefits. We may or may not be in the

> minority......but we exist!

>

> I hear you that you don't believe chlorella clears the blood.

It's true

> that I don't have lab tests to prove that it does. I do, however,

use many

> interventions that don't have double-blind, etc etc tests to

support them.

> Clearly, there's risk involved and I would much prefer not to be

in the

> situation of having to make these decisions. However I am, and so

I

> do..........Will you tell me whether you are AGAINST chlorella,

and if so

> why, or just believe it doesn't bind with mercury?

>

> Thanks,

> Abigail

>