Low copper?

[Guest guest]

My son is low in copper. Is there a food source I could give him to

help elevate it? Would you actually supplement with copper. He is so

full of metals already, I have a hard time thinking of putting more

in.

Thanks,

Darci

[Guest guest]

Darci, how did you determine copper status? (Serum, hair, etc.) My

son actually is low copper too, as per hair and serum levels. I was

too afraid to supplement it, and instead began getting ready for

chelation by upping his zinc. He started getting spontaneous

nosebleeds, and then at 25 mg/zinc per day got the mother of all

unstoppable nosebleeds that sent us to emergency. At that point I

stopped all zinc for a week or so, and began adding in copper with

great care, eventually working up to 1 mg/day and 10 mg zinc per day.

After about half a year, I moved him up to 2 mg copper and 20 mg

zinc. He is doing well on this schedule.

This experience flies in the face of all the things I thought I knew

about supplementing for chelation, or what is " normal " for autism. I

had a Beta-2 microglobulin test run to check for low-level cadmium

poisoning, since cadmium can interfere with copper, and the amounts of

copper/zinc we have found helpful reflect Andy's recommendations for

cadmium chelation. Nothing came up, however.

Nuts, esp. brazil nuts, are a good source of copper, as is buckwheat.

I understand your hesitation to add in copper. Ironically, it is one

of our most essential supplements here.

take care

Rene

>

>

> My son is low in copper. Is there a food source I could give him to

> help elevate it? Would you actually supplement with copper. He is

so

> full of metals already, I have a hard time thinking of putting more

> in.

>

> Thanks,

> Darci

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

A Metametrix element analysis (blood draw) showed him at .45

reference being .52-2.00. This same test showed him low in

Magnesium, Selenium, and Zinc. We have never had nose bleeds. He

does show low in Cadmium .014 ref less then .040 on this same test.

It is things like this that make me concerned to start chelation.

Did you continue to chelate even though he was low? Could the metals

also be interfering with copper absorption? I do feed him Buckwheat

pasta once every 3 days and I will get some Brazil nuts. I also read

that sesame seeds and braised calf liver are high in copper. My guy

is so sensitive to anything I give him and has been having petite

seizure swarms so I just want to be careful. Thanks so much for

sharing your experience and the helpful hints.

Thanks!

Darci

> >

> >

> > My son is low in copper. Is there a food source I could give him

to

> > help elevate it? Would you actually supplement with copper. He

is

> so

> > full of metals already, I have a hard time thinking of putting

more

> > in.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Darci

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> My son is low in copper. Is there a food source I could give him to

> help elevate it? Would you actually supplement with copper.

My #1 was low copper. I gave him a copper supplement. He required

4mg per day for a while, then 2mg per day. Now I give him a multi

which contains 100% of zinc and copper, and this works well for him.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana,

Do you mind telling me how you knew he was low in copper? Were there

specific things you noticed without testing? What multi vit are you

now giving? I currrently use the Brainchild products.

Thanks again.

Darci

> >

> >

> > My son is low in copper. Is there a food source I could give him

to

> > help elevate it? Would you actually supplement with copper.

>

>

> My #1 was low copper. I gave him a copper supplement. He required

> 4mg per day for a while, then 2mg per day. Now I give him a multi

> which contains 100% of zinc and copper, and this works well for him.

>

> Dana

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Darci, comments below...

>

> Hi ,

>

> A Metametrix element analysis (blood draw) showed him at .45

> reference being .52-2.00. This same test showed him low in

> Magnesium, Selenium, and Zinc.

Have you had a DDI hair elements test done? It would be interesting

to see if it also showed an all-low pattern (our family's tests do).

>We have never had nose bleeds.

You may want to research other signs of copper deficiency, just so

that you can see if your child is presenting any of them.

> He

> does show low in Cadmium .014 ref less then .040 on this same > >

> test.

I'm not sure if you can assess body cadmium levels accurately this

way...

> It is things like this that make me concerned to start chelation.

> Did you continue to chelate even though he was low?

Yes, and we have had good results. We just needed to sort out the

copper/zinc problem first.

Could the metals

> also be interfering with copper absorption?

This seems possible to me. Digestive enzymes at every meal/snack

may help this. I supplement copper in the morning and noon

supplements, and use zinc and molybdenum in the supper and bedtime

supplements, with the idea that seperating them may help optimize

both zinc and copper absorbtion.

I do feed him Buckwheat

> pasta once every 3 days and I will get some Brazil nuts. I also

read

> that sesame seeds and braised calf liver are high in copper. My

guy

> is so sensitive to anything I give him and has been having petite

> seizure swarms so I just want to be careful.

That is very wise. I would think that food-based copper sources are

the best way to go until you know that you need more.

Thanks so much for

> sharing your experience and the helpful hints.

>

> Thanks!

You're welcome!

Rene

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

So it is best to get it all sorted out prior to chelation is what I

am getting. I just went back and looked at his tests from Jan. 06 to

see what they showed, the blood test showed low .47 (ref.52-2.00) and

the hair from DDI showed 19 (ref 8-16). Do you know what is a better

indicator, because they say completely different things. I am so

anxious to get started with the chelation, I feel like his time is

ticking away and he is so unhealthy. He does have dark circles under

his eyes which is probably because of all his low minerals and

vitamins. There are times I notice a blue tone around his mouth, not

his lips, just around his mouth. He also does a gaging type of thing

with his saliva. I will be looking into signs. Thanks again so much.

Darci

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > A Metametrix element analysis (blood draw) showed him at .45

> > reference being .52-2.00. This same test showed him low in

> > Magnesium, Selenium, and Zinc.

>

> Have you had a DDI hair elements test done? It would be

interesting

> to see if it also showed an all-low pattern (our family's tests do).

>

>

> >We have never had nose bleeds.

>

> You may want to research other signs of copper deficiency, just so

> that you can see if your child is presenting any of them.

>

> > He

> > does show low in Cadmium .014 ref less then .040 on this same > >

> > test.

>

> I'm not sure if you can assess body cadmium levels accurately this

> way...

>

> > It is things like this that make me concerned to start

chelation.

> > Did you continue to chelate even though he was low?

>

> Yes, and we have had good results. We just needed to sort out the

> copper/zinc problem first.

>

> Could the metals

> > also be interfering with copper absorption?

>

>

> This seems possible to me. Digestive enzymes at every meal/snack

> may help this. I supplement copper in the morning and noon

> supplements, and use zinc and molybdenum in the supper and bedtime

> supplements, with the idea that seperating them may help optimize

> both zinc and copper absorbtion.

>

>

> I do feed him Buckwheat

> > pasta once every 3 days and I will get some Brazil nuts. I also

> read

> > that sesame seeds and braised calf liver are high in copper. My

> guy

> > is so sensitive to anything I give him and has been having petite

> > seizure swarms so I just want to be careful.

>

>

> That is very wise. I would think that food-based copper sources

are

> the best way to go until you know that you need more.

>

> Thanks so much for

> > sharing your experience and the helpful hints.

> >

> > Thanks!

>

> You're welcome!

>

> Rene

>

[Guest guest]

Darci,

Given your hair test results I will change my advice. I think you

should seriously consider reducing/eliminating high copper foods, at

least until you get to the bottom of this. Hair copper is

considered fairly accurate in measuring body burden (even when

mineral transport is deranged), and given that the symptoms of

copper toxicity are almost identical to that of mercury, it can be

hard to tell what's what. Copper toxicity also makes mercury

toxicity worse.

In Andy Cutler's Hair Test book (p. 117) he says that in copper

deficiency ALL of the measures of copper - hair, blood, rbc, serum

ceruloplasmin - will be low. So you might want to get some more

tests run before you decide what to do next.

A lot of people have decided to do a copper-loweing protocol based

on hair test results like yours, FWIW. You can use the Onibasu

search engine with search terms like " copper lowering protocol " (or

similar) and " andrewhallcutler " to see what that is.

I think the high incidence of copper toxicity in the ASD population,

and the rarity of copper deficiency, makes the probability of having

too much copper, rather than too little, all the more likely.

please feel free to email me privately if you wish

Rene

>

> Hi ,

>

> So it is best to get it all sorted out prior to chelation is what

I

> am getting. I just went back and looked at his tests from Jan. 06

to

> see what they showed, the blood test showed low .47 (ref.52-2.00)

and

> the hair from DDI showed 19 (ref 8-16). Do you know what is a

better

> indicator, because they say completely different things.

[Guest guest]

> Do you mind telling me how you knew he was low in copper? Were there

> specific things you noticed without testing?

I gave my #1 zinc, just like I gave my other 3 kids. He started

really grinding his teeth, and he had a nosebleed. Low copper is one

cause of nosebleeds.

Giving copper eliminated the nosebleed, plus it also eliminated the

teeth grinding [along with cal/mag, thank you to the person who

mentioned that].

>>What multi vit are you

> now giving? I currrently use the Brainchild products.

Henry's brand basic multi, from my local health food store.

Dana