Re: fibromyalgia pain

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Isn't it necessary to check the DHEA levels in the blood before taking

this stuff, or am I mistaking it for another hormone. I seem to

remember that your level of DHEA should be checked in the blood first.

Sandy

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>I have had some serious problems with pain from fibromyaligia and

chronic

>fatigue syndrome. I have a serious lung disease (IPF) and this pain

has sure

>added to the problem. And the fatigue hasn't helped either. I have

not been

>able to use ozone or HBOT as they are out of my financial reach at this

time.

>But I tried a number of things and got some relief but only of a

temporary

>type.

>A short time back I was in a large health food store here and met an

old

>neighbor that I knew had this problem for some time. She told me that

she got

>relief from the hormone DHEA. So I looked into it again and started to

take a

>dosage of 25 mg a day. I got relief right away. I increased it to the

same

>dosage twice a day. More relief. I have just increased that again and

my

>research has told me that I can go further if need be.

>

>I am just passing this on in case it could help someone else out there.

It

>has helped with the fatigue also. If I suffered from this syndrome I

would

>certainly look into this further. I do not say it is a replacement for

other

>good therapies on this list, I just am saying that it has proven to be

a good

>relief for me and it seems to work quickly.

>

>Gene Downey

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Gene,

I have had chronic fatigue all my life. I have been taking DHEA since it first

became available. When you start taking it there is an increase of effect as

you take more, which diminishes as your body becomes more accustomed to it. You

sort of reach a plateau. A number of my friends stopped taking it at this point

because they no longer noticed its effect. Then they started again in a few

months when they no longer felt as

good.

I got up to 250mg a day. I wouldn't take it later in the day than around 2 pm,

because it is a morning hormone. Melatonin is the evening hormone that

complements it. But, if you are going to take DHEA, get some pregnenelone, say

10mg. Pregnenelone is the hormone regulator hormone, and you might get more

from less DHEA with it.

Also, in some middle-aged men there is an incidence of prostatic swelling when

taking high daily doses of DHEA. (200mg) Were I to recommend someone take DHEA,

I would say no more than 25mg accompanied by 10mg of pregnenelone. That would be

for general use.

Personally, I found more relief from the fatigue with 3tsp Homozon twice a day,

and it's cleaning me out too.

jim

Gdwny@... wrote:

> From: Gdwny@...

>

> I have had some serious problems with pain from fibromyaligia and chronic

> fatigue syndrome. I have a serious lung disease (IPF) and this pain has sure

> added to the problem. And the fatigue hasn't helped either. I have not been

> able to use ozone or HBOT as they are out of my financial reach at this time.

> But I tried a number of things and got some relief but only of a temporary

> type.

> A short time back I was in a large health food store here and met an old

> neighbor that I knew had this problem for some time. She told me that she got

> relief from the hormone DHEA. So I looked into it again and started to take a

> dosage of 25 mg a day. I got relief right away. I increased it to the same

> dosage twice a day. More relief. I have just increased that again and my

> research has told me that I can go further if need be.

>

> I am just passing this on in case it could help someone else out there. It

> has helped with the fatigue also. If I suffered from this syndrome I would

> certainly look into this further. I do not say it is a replacement for other

> good therapies on this list, I just am saying that it has proven to be a good

> relief for me and it seems to work quickly.

>

> Gene Downey

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your invitation. If I lived closer to you I would

certainly visit you if for nothing else but the chance to share some of your

knowledge. I believe in two things that really interest me in trying. Your

HBOT and the use of ozone. I have went through some other ideas and as you

can tell, I have found some useful. But none come up to the two listed above

I my mind. Keep up your good works.

Gene Downey

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/13/98 3:30:00 PM Central Standard Time,

details51@... writes:

<< Isn't it necessary to check the DHEA levels in the blood before taking

this stuff, or am I mistaking it for another hormone. I seem to

remember that your level of DHEA should be checked in the blood first.

Sandy

>>

As I stated, you can have your levels checked but it is not a danger to try it

without doing so. It is totally up to your discretion. But at times it is

hard to find a doctor that will check that. I can give you the names of some

labs to do that.

[Guest guest]

Jim,

Thanks for your reply on this matter. I guess my real concern at the time I

started the DHEA was the great pain I was in with my arm. I was so elated to

lessen that I take the lessening of the fatigue as a bonus. But I have

noticed that also. But your thoughts on reaching a plateau with its use

interests me. I wonder why this is true? I can see reaching a point where

more is no longer useful but to stop it for a time to get the results again is

strange. Although I know that has proven true in studies with the herb

echinacea. I will watch for that reaction.

I have not reached nearly the level of yours at 250 mg a day. I have reached

75-100 mg a day right now. I have taken Melatonin for some time now as a

sleep inducer and that works well. I have also taken 5-HTP for the

tryyptophan. I use to take that before it was banned for such a stupid

reason.

I have read that pregnenelone is recommended with DHEA. I have not looked for

this as yet and I am wondering if it is available over the counter as a

nonprescription item? I will pay attention to signs of prostatic swelling now

that you warned me about that.

I have never tried Homozon as yet. I do not need the cleaning out as I have

done that and have very good bowel movement and timing now. Several times a

day.

Gene Downey

[Guest guest]

Martha, you asked about taking Ellavil for fibromyalgia. I know it is common

to prescribe low doses of anti-depressants for fms and cfs. Are you on the

antibiotic protocol or have you been tested for mycoplasma? Nicolson is finding

around 70% of fms cases have mycoplasma infection. Secondly, if you are on

antibiotics you want to be sure not to take other meds which interfere with

absorbtion or put more stress on the liver. Dr. Nicolson has found that some of

the antidepressants can hinder the effectiveness of antibiotics. Perhaps Dr.

Chiu could comment on this from his experience.

Sincerely,

a C.

I saw my GP yesterday and she said that she would like to try Ellavil for

fibromyalgia

pain; which is pretty bad. My osteo-arthritis (knees) is playing havoc with me

this

week; swollen tissue around knee. It is definitely time to get the hyalgan

injections

once again in the knees. They really do help me.

My question is: what do you think about taking the anti-depressant Ellavil

for

the chronic pain of fibromyalgia. I would like any comments pro or con.

What does this drug do? Does it block the pain from the brain. Well, I guess

in

some way it would have to do that to help??

Thanks.

Martha

[Guest guest]

I think the idea behind using anti-depressants in low doses for fibromyalgia

pain is to ensure that you get enough stage 4 sleep, the deep sleep part of the

cycle, during which a lot of your body's healing and restoring functions take

place. Liz G

[Guest guest]

Liz,

You could be very right about that. I was told that was one of the main

reasons my doctor wanted me to take it for my whiplash because I was

getting so sleep deprived from the pain that it was adding to the

tension that was stopping the tissues from healing.

a Peden

> " Liz G. " wrote:

>

> I think the idea behind using anti-depressants in low doses for

> fibromyalgia pain is to ensure that you get enough stage 4 sleep, the

> deep sleep part of the cycle, during which a lot of your body's

> healing and restoring functions take place. Liz G

[Guest guest]

The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism. The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and other products of metabolism.

Castiglia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time, drajcastig@... writes:

Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder please?

Celia (UK)

The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism. The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and other products of metabolism.

[Guest guest]

The pain is also to explain as a water-acid-alkalide problem. Because of a lack of oxygen or a deficiency of fatty acids (or combination) the body will use the anaerob energy winning by burning glucose instead of the aerob burning of fatty acids. The lot of lactic acid will cause the pain. This is the only difference with chronic fatique syndrome: more pain than tired.

Bert van Aalst.

Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism. The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and other products of metabolism. Castiglia ............................................

[Guest guest]

Testing needs to be done to check levels of homocysteine, lipoprotein a, fifrinogen If these are abnormal they can all be treated by the use of amino acids, ,vitamins and herbs. A natural substance I use comes from Natto called Nattokinase which will dissolve the soluble fibrin. Check the teeth on the QXCI for infection, inflammation, toxins which are often associated with clotting disorders need to be treated by QXCI especially with the Rife frequencies.

Castiglia.

[Guest guest]

Hi Celia, Investigate and treat via the Dark field/blood treatments option/ recommended action. Noel

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van: Celiastuart@... [mailto:Celiastuart@...]Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2003 8:51Aan: qxci-english Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia PainIn a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time, drajcastig@... writes:Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder please?Celia (UK)

The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism. The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and other products of metabolism.............................................

[Guest guest]

Thanks Noel.

Celia (UK)

In a message dated 22/05/03 00:57:02 GMT Daylight Time, N.vandermullen@... writes:

Hi Celia, Investigate and treat via the Dark field/blood treatments option/ recommended action. Noel

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

Van: Celiastuart@... [mailto:Celiastuart@...]

Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2003 8:51

Aan: qxci-english

Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

In a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time, drajcastig@... writes:

Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder please?

Celia (UK)

The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich

[Guest guest]

,

elevated levels of homocysteine and lipoprotein A are involved in heart disease.

I am interested in knowing how you reduce lipoprotein A because high levels

can be associated with a genetic predisposition and reduction can be difficult.

Regards,

Norman

drajcastig@... wrote:

Testing needs to be done to check levels of homocysteine, lipoprotein

a, fifrinogen If these are abnormal they can all be treated by the use of

amino acids, ,vitamins and herbs. A natural substance I use comes from Natto

called Nattokinase which will dissolve the soluble fibrin. Check the teeth

on the QXCI for infection, inflammation, toxins which are often associated

with clotting disorders need to be treated by QXCI especially with the Rife

frequencies.

Castiglia.

............................................

[Guest guest]

Noel,

How do I do this please - where do I find it?

Thanks

Avril

In message <NHBBJPGECLOCPNOBKOOECEKJCBAA.n.vandermullen@...>, Noel

van der Mullen <N.vandermullen@...> writes

>Hi Celia, Investigate and treat via the Dark field/blood treatments option/

>recommended action. Noel

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

> Van: Celiastuart@... [mailto:Celiastuart@...]

> Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2003 8:51

> Aan: qxci-english

> Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

>

>

> In a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time, drajcastig@...

>writes:

> Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder please?

>

> Celia (UK)

>

>

>

> The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be

>triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism.

>The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of

>soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation

>and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and

>other products of metabolism.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Go to testpage, left side up: programs/ darkfield analysis/ click bloodtreatments AND click recommended action. Click superconscious scan of blood, click on the resulted item and treat till correction (on the first page) is sufficient. Redo this several times with 3 to 4 different bloodconditions. By investigation of the test results you know which buttons to check whatever appropiate blood conditions on the bloodtreatments page also. Keep well, Noel.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----Van: Avril McConnell [mailto:avril@...]Verzonden: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 7:20Aan: qxci-english Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia PainNoel,How do I do this please - where do I find it?ThanksAvrilIn message <NHBBJPGECLOCPNOBKOOECEKJCBAA.n.vandermullen@...>, Noel van der Mullen <N.vandermullen@...> writes>Hi Celia, Investigate and treat via the Dark field/blood treatments option/>recommended action. Noel> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----> Van: Celiastuart@... [mailto:Celiastuart@...]> Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2003 8:51> Aan: qxci-english > Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia Pain>>> In a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time, drajcastig@...>writes:> Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder please?>> Celia (UK)>>>> The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be>triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological organism.>The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of>soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents oxygenation>and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins and>other products of metabolism.>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Noel

Great Help

Avril

In message <NHBBJPGFCDLDMNECBBEKEEAFCAAA.n.vandermullen@...>, Noel

van der Mullen <N.vandermullen@...> writes

>Go to testpage, left side up: programs/ darkfield analysis/ click

>bloodtreatments AND click recommended action. Click superconscious scan of

>blood, click on the resulted item and treat till correction (on the first

>page) is sufficient. Redo this several times with 3 to 4 different

>bloodconditions. By investigation of the test results you know which

>buttons to check whatever appropiate blood conditions on the bloodtreatments

>page also. Keep well, Noel.

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

> Van: Avril McConnell [mailto:avril@...]

> Verzonden: vrijdag 23 mei 2003 7:20

> Aan: qxci-english

> Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

>

>

> Noel,

> How do I do this please - where do I find it?

> Thanks

> Avril

>

> In message <NHBBJPGECLOCPNOBKOOECEKJCBAA.n.vandermullen@...>, Noel

> van der Mullen <N.vandermullen@...> writes

> >Hi Celia, Investigate and treat via the Dark field/blood treatments

>option/

> >recommended action. Noel

> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

> > Van: Celiastuart@... [mailto:Celiastuart@...]

> > Verzonden: dinsdag 20 mei 2003 8:51

> > Aan: qxci-english

> > Onderwerp: Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 20/05/03 07:37:51 GMT Daylight Time,

>drajcastig@...

> >writes:

> > Very interesting. What do you recommend for this clotting disorder

>please?

> >

> > Celia (UK)

> >

> >

> >

> > The pain of fibromyalgia is due to a clotting disorder whiich can be

> >triggered by a chronic infection with just about any pathological

>organism.

> >The clotting is not enough to block the blood vessel but puts a layer of

> >soluble fibrin on the inside of the blood vessel which prevents

>oxygenation

> >and nutrition of the tissues as well as preventing the pick up of toxins

>and

> >other products of metabolism.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit C three times daily, L-lysine 1000 mg. three times daily. If these do not work completely, add niacin 500-1000 mg three times daily.

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I have used the Vit C and Lysine before without success (ing's approach),

but not with niacin. I'll add it to my list.

Best wishes,

drajcastig@... wrote:

Dear ,

Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit C three times daily, L-lysine

1000 mg. three times daily. If these do not work completely, add niacin

500-1000 mg three times daily.

............................................

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I suffered from severe Fibromyalgia pains for over 6

years and the only thing that was able to relieve my

pain was drinking a cup of dill & cilantro juice

everyday. Also, I recently began drinking the

supergreens from Innerlight which helps too.

I hope that helps you.

Warm Regards,

Nirvana

--- Norman <galadrel@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Thanks ,

I have used the Vit C and Lysine before without

success (ing's approach),

but not with niacin. I'll add it to my list.

Best wishes,

drajcastig@... wrote:

Dear ,

Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit C

three times daily, L-lysine1000 mg. three times daily.

If these do not work completely, add niacin500-1000

mg three times daily.

............................................

[Guest guest]

hi,

i must tell a little story here....:

as long as i had the qxci device, i had ph readings over 80 myself. i asked

many times at many different places, why this is so. i have been taking

kolloidal minerals, chelated minerals, himalaya crystal salt, etc. nothing

ever changed the ph reading of over 80.

i have then come to the conclusion, that this ph reading means nothing else

but intracellular acidity.

and fibromyalgia MUST have this intracellular acidity to even come into

existance. (i had fibromyalgia AND lyme disease before)

supergreens provide alkalinity.

so. just recently i have seen an ad about a colloidal alkaline product. i

thought, hm, give it a try. i took it for the ifrst time. high dosage as i

usually do to try something. after an hour i had pain all over. muscles,

bones, tendons, head, kidneys liver area, and a mood..... i could have

killed somebody. true.

i continued the intake, and after about a week, i tested myself at the qxci,

and.... for the first time since i have the device, my ph readings were

almost back to normal. now, this impressed me. actually a colloidal

alkalizer was something, i have been looking for for the last five years.

the funny thing about this alkalizer is, that the potassium in it directly

moves into the cells, where it alkalizes and reactivates the

sodium/potassium-pump (correct english expression???)

it is called OSIBA, and is unique. only available here in germany.

maybe there´s a way to get it overseas....

all the best

marlene

Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

> Dear ,

>

> I suffered from severe Fibromyalgia pains for over 6

> years and the only thing that was able to relieve my

> pain was drinking a cup of dill & cilantro juice

> everyday. Also, I recently began drinking the

> supergreens from Innerlight which helps too.

>

> I hope that helps you.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Nirvana

>

> --- Norman <galadrel@...> wrote:

>

> ---------------------------------

> Thanks ,

> I have used the Vit C and Lysine before without

> success (ing's approach),

> but not with niacin. I'll add it to my list.

> Best wishes,

>

>

> drajcastig@... wrote:

> Dear ,

>

> Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit C

> three times daily, L-lysine1000 mg. three times daily.

> If these do not work completely, add niacin500-1000

> mg three times daily.

>

>

>

> ............................................

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting..ph readings over 80 are alkaline..often due to incomplete out

breathing of carbon dioxide, leading to additional sodium bicarbonate

formation to carry it in the blood.

So it would be interesting to consider something else in the remedy that had

a balancing effect.

However the QX Ph is an electrical balance that seems but may not always

correlate with system ph

john kelsey

Re: Fibromyalgia Pain

>

>

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I suffered from severe Fibromyalgia pains for over 6

> > years and the only thing that was able to relieve my

> > pain was drinking a cup of dill & cilantro juice

> > everyday. Also, I recently began drinking the

> > supergreens from Innerlight which helps too.

> >

> > I hope that helps you.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> >

> > Nirvana

> >

> > --- Norman <galadrel@...> wrote:

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Thanks ,

> > I have used the Vit C and Lysine before without

> > success (ing's approach),

> > but not with niacin. I'll add it to my list.

> > Best wishes,

> >

> >

> > drajcastig@... wrote:

> > Dear ,

> >

> > Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit C

> > three times daily, L-lysine1000 mg. three times daily.

> > If these do not work completely, add niacin500-1000

> > mg three times daily.

> >

> >

> >

> > ............................................

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We are currently doing study on Fibromyalgia using Natural Remedies. We had success with supplements that increase oxygen utilization. Please visit: www.academyofwellness.com click on Fibromyalgia for detailed protocol. Thanks. Dr. Grant.nirvana zarabi-smith <nirvanasmith@...> wrote:

Dear ,I suffered from severe Fibromyalgia pains for over 6years and the only thing that was able to relieve mypain was drinking a cup of dill & cilantro juiceeveryday. Also, I recently began drinking thesupergreens from Innerlight which helps too.I hope that helps you.Warm Regards,Nirvana--- Norman wrote:---------------------------------Thanks ,I have used the Vit C and Lysine before withoutsuccess (ing's approach),but not with niacin. I'll add it to my list.Best wishes,drajcastig@... wrote:Dear ,Lipoprotein a can be lowered using 2000 mg. Vit Cthree times daily, L-lysine1000 mg. three times daily.If these do not work completely, add niacin500-1000mg three times daily.

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