Re: acid reflux

[Guest guest]

, I am anxious to see if you get any good responses. My two

children have always had reflux and they take 10mg of Prilosec 2X a

day. I have never been able to figure it out. My daughter is even on

Neocate 1+ (an amino acids based elemental formula), so I doubt it is

caused from a specific food allergy. However, you mentioned your son

is on the SCD. Does he eat nuts? I would imagine nuts could be a

problem, but again, I have no idea. When we make dietary changes we

sometimes don't see the effects of it until months later. It can take

4-6 months for damage to be done to the gut in some cases. Testing

for reflux is really not very accurate, in my opinion. My son has had

a pH probe, upper GI, and several endoscopies. We have been told

everything from no reflux to moderate reflux. Same with my daughter

who has had the same tests plus a gastric emptying study. However,

both kids refuse food if they haven't had their reflux meds

consistently. Not sure why. Some kids do act a lot better if their

reflux is under control as well. So, if behavior is an issue, you may

want to look into a trial on Prilosec or something like it to see if

it helps. I am with you on wanting to find the cause rather than just

band-aid the problem, but we have delt with it for so long I have

surrendered to realizing this is not a short term problem (in our case).

Best wishes,

in NC

> My son, (11-nonverbal), appears to have acid reflux. I have

no idea where this came from. He has been on the SCDiet for more than

a year (which I thought was healing to the digestive system), but in

November, he developed a cough which never went away. By February, it

had gotten so bad he was sticking his hand down his throat to cause

himself to throw up. In my search for answers, I came across the

possibility of acid reflux, but was unable to get any real help from

his DAN! doctor. It is so bad now, that in the past week, his appetite

has gone way down and he is crying and biting his arm throughout the

day. I think it is acid reflux because when he starts to melt down, if

I give him alka-seltzer heartburn relief, he calms within about a

minute. When he was at lunch yesterday, as soon has he finished the

alka-seltzer, he started wolfing down his food (he had been picking at

it and crying before). I have read that things like alka-seltzer are

not the way to go, but I don't know what is a good treatment. I don't

want to have to put him on drugs because I'd like to find the

underlying cause and do something to heal it. But, if the SCDiet

hasn't helped, then I don't know what will. Does anyone at all have

any ideas for me?

>

> Thank you,

>

> --

>

>

[Guest guest]

, no advice here, but lots of sympathy. This ASD/gut business is tough.

I hope others have solutions for you.

Abigail

Acid Reflux

>

> My son, (11-nonverbal), appears to have acid reflux. I have no

> idea where this came from. He has been on the SCDiet for more than a year

> (which I thought was healing to the digestive system), but in November, he

> developed a cough which never went away. By February, it had gotten so bad

> he was sticking his hand down his throat to cause himself to throw up. In

> my search for answers, I came across the possibility of acid reflux, but

> was unable to get any real help from his DAN! doctor. It is so bad now,

> that in the past week, his appetite has gone way down and he is crying and

> biting his arm throughout the day. I think it is acid reflux because when

> he starts to melt down, if I give him alka-seltzer heartburn relief, he

> calms within about a minute. When he was at lunch yesterday, as soon has

> he finished the alka-seltzer, he started wolfing down his food (he had

> been picking at it and crying before). I have read that things like

> alka-seltzer are not the way to go, but I don't know what is a good

> treatment. I don't want to have to put him on drugs because I'd like to

> find the underlying cause and do something to heal it. But, if the SCDiet

> hasn't helped, then I don't know what will. Does anyone at all have any

> ideas for me?

>

> Thank you,

>

> --

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aloha ,

I have two children with acid reflux. I now use digestive enzymes made by :

Rainbow Light called Advanced Enzyme System. I get mine from

www.webvitamins.com . Enzymes are not the same as probiotics that I am

certain others will suggest also.

If your son can swallow the pills great. But you can also break open the gel

cap and sprinkle it over the food item to be eaten. You can also blend a

teaspoon of pear juice with the enzymes and then mix it in his food, if he

won't like seeing it on top of his meal.

There are a few rules to remember about diet. The first is to watch what

your son eats during the same meal. Protein foods like meats, take a long

time for the body to digest. If you eat meat, and carbohydrates together ,

the chances are the carb's will digest first then the meat. While the meat

is still in the stomach the carb's will begin to ferment before the meat

passes thru to the colon. Carb's and high protein foods should not be eaten

at the same time for a while until you see improvement in your son's

symptoms. When you eat meat, it is good to eat fiber like raw spinach, and

lettuce to bulk up the stool and help the food pass thru.

Also, water is better with meals than juice. Here again the body will break

down the juice first . The body will target the simplest carb's first, and

leave the more complex proteins to sit in the stomach meanwhile.

Watch the volume your son consumes during mealtime also. My daughter

consumes so much in one sitting, the food backs up her esophagus and causes

heartburn and coughing.

I would advise caution when administering Alka Selzer's etc. likely the

product contains Acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) AKA " Aspirin " and if there are

already lesions present, aspirin can prolong the PTT ( Partial

thromboplastin time ) or clotting time of the blood .

Also, you need acid to digest food. Too little acid you can't digest food

and it ferments in the gut. Too much acid and over time you acid reflux can

result.

I am sure there are others out there that can explain the disease, I just

wanted to target the symptoms and what I do to relieve them in my children.

Best Wishes,

Acid Reflux

>

>

>>

>> My son, (11-nonverbal), appears to have acid reflux. I have no

>> idea where this came from. He has been on the SCDiet for more than a year

>> (which I thought was healing to the digestive system), but in November,

>> he

>> developed a cough which never went away. By February, it had gotten so

>> bad

>> he was sticking his hand down his throat to cause himself to throw up. In

>> my search for answers, I came across the possibility of acid reflux, but

>> was unable to get any real help from his DAN! doctor. It is so bad now,

>> that in the past week, his appetite has gone way down and he is crying

>> and

>> biting his arm throughout the day. I think it is acid reflux because when

>> he starts to melt down, if I give him alka-seltzer heartburn relief, he

>> calms within about a minute. When he was at lunch yesterday, as soon has

>> he finished the alka-seltzer, he started wolfing down his food (he had

>> been picking at it and crying before). I have read that things like

>> alka-seltzer are not the way to go, but I don't know what is a good

>> treatment. I don't want to have to put him on drugs because I'd like to

>> find the underlying cause and do something to heal it. But, if the SCDiet

>> hasn't helped, then I don't know what will. Does anyone at all have any

>> ideas for me?

>>

>> Thank you,

>>

>> --

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for this information! I am wondering if my son's issues go beyond acid

reflux. I did some reading on ways to help acid reflux and found that the things

I used were actually making him worse. One thing was the enzymes. I have given

him enzymes for years, but I stopped them a year ago when we started the SCDiet.

In December, however, his DAN! doctor said we should start them again. So, I put

him back on them. But, in doing two separate trials off them, I found that his

coughing/gagging improved off them. I also took him to his doctor last Friday

and he put him on a trial of Prevacid to see if he improved on that. I realize

it is not good to suppress acid long term, but we are looking to keep this very

temporary and allow any gut lesions to heal.So, off enzymes and on Prevacid, he

is doing 99% better this week with very little coughing and gagging, and no

meltdowns. Do you think this could possibly be an ulcer? BTW, I was using

non-aspirin alka-seltzer. It helped with the pain, but it also caused his

intestines to fill with gas, which wasn't good. I'm not using it anymore. It was

just a temporary solution to help him when he was in such terrible pain.

--

Aloha ,

I have two children with acid reflux. I now use digestive enzymes made by :

Rainbow Light called Advanced Enzyme System. I get mine from

www.webvitamins.com . Enzymes are not the same as probiotics that I am

certain others will suggest also.

[Guest guest]

If you use enzymes and have reflux, there is a chance that the enzymes could be

refluxed up and harm the esophagus.

Re: Acid Reflux

Hi ,

Thank you for this information! I am wondering if my son's issues go beyond

acid reflux. I did some reading on ways to help acid reflux and found that the

things I used were actually making him worse. One thing was the enzymes. I have

given him enzymes for years, but I stopped them a year ago when we started the

SCDiet. In December, however, his DAN! doctor said we should start them again.

So, I put him back on them. But, in doing two separate trials off them, I found

that his coughing/gagging improved off them. I also took him to his doctor last

Friday and he put him on a trial of Prevacid to see if he improved on that. I

realize it is not good to suppress acid long term, but we are looking to keep

this very temporary and allow any gut lesions to heal.So, off enzymes and on

Prevacid, he is doing 99% better this week with very little coughing and

gagging, and no meltdowns. Do you think this could possibly be an ulcer? BTW, I

was using non-aspirin alka-seltzer. It helped with the pain

--

Aloha ,

I have two children with acid reflux. I now use digestive enzymes made by :

Rainbow Light called Advanced Enzyme System. I get mine from

www.webvitamins.com . Enzymes are not the same as probiotics that I am

certain others will suggest also.

[Guest guest]

I am glad you bring up the enzymes. Our child was having problems

eating after we went GFCF and he could just drink a 1/2 gallon of

milk a day. A representative from a well-known company that sells

enzymes told us that their enzymes would cure lack of appetite. If we

saw negative behaviors just that was to be expected just keep pumping

them in. We were also instructed to use the enzymes prior to eating

as a sort of dietary prophylaxis and it was not important whether the

child actually ate a meal or not. If you read this directive it

probably sounds like nonsense - but at the time I really believed the

opportunistic sales pitch of the vendor.

About six weeks into this enzyme madness our child had eliminated all

foods but 1 or 2 on occasion. We pulled the enzymes and the appetite

slowly started to come back but after 6 months still has not returned

to where it was. It is obvious in our case enzymes were a horrible

irritant. The bad behavior we saw upon starting enzymes was no doubt

lots of GI irritation not the claimed body clearing of peptides. I

have a lot of guilt about this one. I think enzymes have their place

but in small doses in kids whose guts are on the mend.

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for this information! I am wondering if my son's issues

go beyond acid reflux. I did some reading on ways to help acid reflux

and found that the things I used were actually making him worse. One

thing was the enzymes. I have given him enzymes for years, but I

stopped them a year ago when we started the SCDiet. In December,

however, his DAN! doctor said we should start them again. So, I put

him back on them. But, in doing two separate trials off them, I found

that his coughing/gagging improved off them. I also took him to his

doctor last Friday and he put him on a trial of Prevacid to see if he

improved on that. I realize it is not good to suppress acid long

term, but we are looking to keep this very temporary and allow any

gut lesions to heal.So, off enzymes and on Prevacid, he is doing 99%

better this week with very little coughing and gagging, and no

meltdowns. Do you think this could possibly be an ulcer? BTW, I was

using non-aspirin alka-seltzer. It helped with the pain, but it also

caused his intestines to fill with gas, which wasn't good. I'm not

using it anymore. It was just a temporary solution to help him when

he was in such terrible pain.

>

> --

>

> Aloha ,

>

> I have two children with acid reflux. I now use digestive

enzymes made by :

> Rainbow Light called Advanced Enzyme System. I get mine from

> www.webvitamins.com . Enzymes are not the same as probiotics that

I am

> certain others will suggest also.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry you had a bad experience with enzymes. We had just the opposite. My

daughter's appetite has improved. In addition we have had the best school year

ever and the biggest change we made was starting enzymes in September.

Of course what I've learned is that not all enzymes are created equal. We tried

them in the past with not much success until we tried a different brand. I also

learned more about them and how to use them. I discovered that with enzymes, and

anything else I give my daughter, I have to start low and slow.

I have also found that enzymes have helped me with heartburn and I have had an

ulcer. I take one before I eat something that is usually a problem and I don't

seem to have as much of a heartburn problem.

I do think that the type of enzyme makes a big difference. I also think enzymes

are like most things - they are not a one size fits all and some people won't be

helped by them.

That said, I think they are certainly worth a try because they could be a good

thing as they have been for my daughter. I would say you need to know what you

are doing and how to give them before you start.

Re: Acid Reflux

I am glad you bring up the enzymes. Our child was having problems

eating after we went GFCF and he could just drink a 1/2 gallon of

milk a day. A representative from a well-known company that sells

enzymes told us that their enzymes would cure lack of appetite. If we

saw negative behaviors just that was to be expected just keep pumping

them in. We were also instructed to use the enzymes prior to eating

as a sort of dietary prophylaxis and it was not important whether the

child actually ate a meal or not. If you read this directive it

probably sounds like nonsense - but at the time I really believed the

opportunistic sales pitch of the vendor.

About six weeks into this enzyme madness our child had eliminated all

foods but 1 or 2 on occasion. We pulled the enzymes and the appetite

slowly started to come back but after 6 months still has not returned

to where it was. It is obvious in our case enzymes were a horrible

irritant. The bad behavior we saw upon starting enzymes was no doubt

lots of GI irritation not the claimed body clearing of peptides. I

have a lot of guilt about this one. I think enzymes have their place

but in small doses in kids whose guts are on the mend.

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for this information! I am wondering if my son's issues

go beyond acid reflux. I did some reading on ways to help acid reflux

and found that the things I used were actually making him worse. One

thing was the enzymes. I have given him enzymes for years, but I

stopped them a year ago when we started the SCDiet. In December,

however, his DAN! doctor said we should start them again. So, I put

him back on them. But, in doing two separate trials off them, I found

that his coughing/gagging improved off them. I also took him to his

doctor last Friday and he put him on a trial of Prevacid to see if he

improved on that. I realize it is not good to suppress acid long

term, but we are looking to keep this very temporary and allow any

gut lesions to heal.So, off enzymes and on Prevacid, he is doing 99%

better this week with very little coughing and gagging, and no

meltdowns. Do you think this could possibly be an ulcer? BTW, I was

using non-aspirin alka-seltzer. It helped with the pain, but it also

caused his intestines to fill with gas, which wasn't good. I'm not

using it anymore. It was just a temporary solution to help him when

he was in such terrible pain.

>

> --

>

> Aloha ,

>

> I have two children with acid reflux. I now use digestive

enzymes made by :

> Rainbow Light called Advanced Enzyme System. I get mine from

> www.webvitamins.com . Enzymes are not the same as probiotics that

I am

> certain others will suggest also.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder which enzymes you all were using, and if they had 'other

ingredients' in them, like rice flour, or something besides the enzymes

themselves that

might have been causing the problem?

a H.

[Guest guest]

a,

try small amounts of Acorus (5ml per 100ml) (with mucus membrane restoratives

like plantago, licorice and althea) - works wonders as it increases the tone of

the oesophageal sphincter. Plus meadowsweet tea after each meal (initially, then

reduce to 1 cup a day). If you use slippery elm, take a generous amount of

" slurry " (1/2 cup after a meal). Otherwise adress stress and possibly some

allergy (throat clearing suggests you are reacting to something).

I really don't know where the idea of giving bitters for reflux comes from -

they do stimulate the acid secretion after all! It would be interesting to hear

what others think. I have never seen any logic in that.

For H. Pylori infection see the archives - it has been discussed a few times.

Also consider hypochlorhydria - similar symptoms to GORD (the bitters would help

here).

Hope it helps

Subject: acid reflux

To: ukherbal-list

Date: Tuesday, 23 November, 2010, 12:09

 

This is for me this time, since NIMH conference I have been suffering

increasingly badly with reflux and finally went to the GP today who took bloods

and will test for H. pylori (my own diagnosis) but meantime wanted me to take

omeprazole or equivalent which I argued my way out of but agreed to do something

to protect oesophagus herbally instead.

I am just wondering if anyone has more expertise in this area can advise what

works best - my thoughts were to take slippery elm with possibly meadowsweet and

liquorice as a tea immediately after meals. I have tried taking a variety of

bitters before meals (in tincture form) with no immediate perceivable benefit.

Main symptom is having to perpetually clear throat after eating meals (less so

after snacks), but also burning sensation mid epigastric and also between

shoulder blades and occasional reflux as far as mouth if I bend down to quickly

after meals. I am not overweight (BMI 24) but could lose a few pounds.

Vegetarian with occasional fish (about once per week), avoid cow's dairy apart

from organic plain yoghurt and butter, do eat some sheeps or goats cheese and am

trying to restrict wheat and have given up sugar for last week (intending to

carry on with this until just before Xmas).

If I do have H pylori, has anyone come across Hompes websites, books etc

and have any useful opinions to share on his ideas?

Thanks for reading so far,

a

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorraine

Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up it

if need be).

I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up with

more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but those

little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often but

there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll around

so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's not

something I tell people to do.

atb

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

I was interested because whenever I'd tried to get patients

to take it this way they've rejected it. I was thinking about capsules but would

that mean it bypasses the stomach and therefore fails to act? Also I've heard

some people heat it as gruel, but doesn't this destroy the delicate tte

that are supposed to be so beneficial? I've seen other posts of people using

capsules so clearly it must work? Always been a tricky one for me, patients

complain of grittiness, worse part of their day, dread it etc. Some do feel the

benefit but can't continue for long. I agree that low temperature and full

contact with membranes is necessary, but if client can't take it ....!

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

> Hi Lorraine

>

> Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up it

if need be).

> I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up

with more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but

those little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

>

> Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often but

there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

>

> I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll

around so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's

not something I tell people to do.

> atb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorraine

was it a typo or if not whats " the delicate tte " ??!! ( is that a bit

like the " fragrant mary archer " -??!! )

some people find it easier to take mashed into a banana or yoghourt and a bit of

cinnamon can help the flavour too.

regards ,annette

Re: Re: acid reflux

Thanks ,

I was interested because whenever I'd tried to get patients to take it this

way they've rejected it. I was thinking about capsules but would that mean it

bypasses the stomach and therefore fails to act? Also I've heard some people

heat it as gruel, but doesn't this destroy the delicate tte that are

supposed to be so beneficial? I've seen other posts of people using capsules so

clearly it must work? Always been a tricky one for me, patients complain of

grittiness, worse part of their day, dread it etc. Some do feel the benefit but

can't continue for long. I agree that low temperature and full contact with

membranes is necessary, but if client can't take it ....!

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

> Hi Lorraine

>

> Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up

it if need be).

> I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up

with more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but

those little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

>

> Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often

but there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

>

> I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll

around so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's

not something I tell people to do.

> atb

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lorraine

I always heat it. very gently, a little like custard, so as not to get

lumps. like custard. It tastes fine like that and is still very

efficacious. Raw? yuck!

You can also recommend your patients mix it with porage oats and cook

together.

Sally Owen

Sally

> Thanks ,

> I was interested because whenever I'd tried to get

patients to take it this way they've rejected it. I was thinking about capsules

but would that mean it bypasses the stomach and therefore fails to act? Also

I've heard some people heat it as gruel, but doesn't this destroy the delicate

tte that are supposed to be so beneficial? I've seen other posts of people

using capsules so clearly it must work? Always been a tricky one for me,

patients complain of grittiness, worse part of their day, dread it etc. Some do

feel the benefit but can't continue for long. I agree that low temperature and

full contact with membranes is necessary, but if client can't take it ....!

>

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

>

> On 26 Nov 2010, at 15:41, " " wrote:

>

>> Hi Lorraine

>>

>> Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up

it if need be).

>> I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up

with more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but

those little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

>>

>> Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often but

there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

>>

>> I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll

around so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's

not something I tell people to do.

>> atb

>>

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

about the slippery elm/marshmallow powder issue - i usually suggest patients

use goats yogurt (or any other yogurt they like) and find that is much more

palatable that way too !!

Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH

Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing

Direct Lines: 01303 242838

07878 165440

Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone

www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk

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Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 10:16:27

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[Guest guest]

Hi YES!

My iPhone will insist on writing my emails for me! It should have been delicate

mucilages!

Naughty iPhone!

Best wishes,

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Hi Lorraine

> was it a typo or if not whats " the delicate tte " ??!! ( is that a bit

like the " fragrant mary archer " -??!! )

> some people find it easier to take mashed into a banana or yoghourt and a bit

of cinnamon can help the flavour too.

> regards ,annette

> Re: Re: acid reflux

>

> Thanks ,

> I was interested because whenever I'd tried to get patients to take it this

way they've rejected it. I was thinking about capsules but would that mean it

bypasses the stomach and therefore fails to act? Also I've heard some people

heat it as gruel, but doesn't this destroy the delicate tte that are

supposed to be so beneficial? I've seen other posts of people using capsules so

clearly it must work? Always been a tricky one for me, patients complain of

grittiness, worse part of their day, dread it etc. Some do feel the benefit but

can't continue for long. I agree that low temperature and full contact with

membranes is necessary, but if client can't take it ....!

>

> Lorraine

>

> Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> HERBS AND HELPERS

> 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Lorraine

> >

> > Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up

it if need be).

> > I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up

with more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but

those little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

> >

> > Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often

but there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

> >

> > I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll

around so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's

not something I tell people to do.

> > atb

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Sally!

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> Hi Lorraine

>

> I always heat it. very gently, a little like custard, so as not to get

> lumps. like custard. It tastes fine like that and is still very

> efficacious. Raw? yuck!

>

> You can also recommend your patients mix it with porage oats and cook

> together.

>

> Sally Owen

>

> Sally

> > Thanks ,

> > I was interested because whenever I'd tried to get patients to take it this

way they've rejected it. I was thinking about capsules but would that mean it

bypasses the stomach and therefore fails to act? Also I've heard some people

heat it as gruel, but doesn't this destroy the delicate tte that are

supposed to be so beneficial? I've seen other posts of people using capsules so

clearly it must work? Always been a tricky one for me, patients complain of

grittiness, worse part of their day, dread it etc. Some do feel the benefit but

can't continue for long. I agree that low temperature and full contact with

membranes is necessary, but if client can't take it ....!

> >

> > Lorraine

> >

> > Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

> > HERBS AND HELPERS

> > 6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

> > Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

> > Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

> > Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

> > www.herbalmedicineuk.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >> Hi Lorraine

> >>

> >> Powder. Usually 1 tsp (sometimes a half or I tell them to try a half and up

it if need be).

> >> I get them to mix this with a little water to make a paste and then top up

with more water to make into a drink. Sometimes it doesn't mix very well - but

those little balloon whisks help. Or just ignore the globules and rink it down.

> >>

> >> Occasionally people tell me it 'sits heavily' on their stomach. Not often

but there have been one or two. Reduced dose is usually fine.

> >>

> >> I remember being told when I was training that you can get people to roll

around so it coats all surfaces. Whether or not that is true I don't know. It's

not something I tell people to do.

> >> atb

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Ohh that's good! Giving em a probiotic too at the same time. What a master

stroke does it work?

Lorraine

Lorraine Hodgkinson MNIMH MRCHM

HERBS AND HELPERS

6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,

Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.

Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392

Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)

www.herbalmedicineuk.com

>

>

> about the slippery elm/marshmallow powder issue - i usually suggest patients

> use goats yogurt (or any other yogurt they like) and find that is much more

> palatable that way too !!

>

> Lynda BSc(Hons) MNIMH

> Medical Herbalist & Allergy Testing

>

> Direct Lines: 01303 242838

> 07878 165440

>

> Clinics at Folkestone and Maidstone

> www.lyndajoneskent.co.uk

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Sat, 27 November, 2010 10:16:27

> Subject: Re: Re: acid reflux

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[Guest guest]

I mixed my slippery elm powder with a little turmeric and liquorice

powder - using a heaped tsp of the combined powder with about 1/4 cup of

water tastes fine to me (the liquorice was suggestion of another

herbalist friend and the turmeric my own - she suggested cinnamon but

being snowed in at the moment I used what I had in stock!).

Oh and she also agreed with me that AFTER food not before makes more

sense so that is what I'm doing - working quite well so far. Taking

bitters before food (no Acorus in stock so a mix of Centaury & others).

a

[Guest guest]

I have just read a snippet somewhere (can't remember exactly where) that said to

block out a horrid taste, suck a very strong mint beforehand, which will

overstimulate the tastebuds so they won't detect whatever is coming next.

Definietly worth a try. Haven't tried it yet, but will do, as have an 8 year old

struggling with Astragalus.

Sara

> >

> >

> > Hi Lorraine

> >

> > I've never had a problem with compliance.

> > I may regret saying that now.

> >

> > But in reality, I've only ever once had a patient who said the medicine was

just too awful to take but that was only one prescription and I am still seeing

her.

> >

> >

> > She called herself a 'super taster'. Any ideas?

> >

> > Anyway - maybe it's just me, but patients of every age just take what I give

them. I've had a patient complain when I took the Gentian out of her medicine

because I 'was feeling kind'. She reckoned it was vital for her migraines, so it

went back in.

> >

> > Unless they're lying to me - but I don't think so.

> >

> >

> >

>