Re: QUESTION ABOUT AMBRETTE CO2 OIL

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On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Luna wrote:

> I recently purchased Ambrette CO2 essential oil from an indian dealer,

> and some Ambrette Absolute from Liberty Naturals. The CO2 Ambrette has

> developed in the oil some sort of white little chunks that are

> floating among the contents. The Ambrette Absolute from Liberty

> Naturals still looks clean and clear.

>

> Is the CO2 Ambrette becoming rancid/spoiling or is this something

> normal for some essential oils to develop this kind of debris or fat

> residues? Both oils smell about the same. Neither smells rancid or

> unpleasant. I have no idea whether I should discard the CO2 Ambrette

> or perhaps heating it a little bit will unmelt these little chunks of

> whatever they are. Any help or feedback is greately appreciated.

>

> Moon

I myself have not had the best luck with CO2 extracts. I have a cocoa

one and it acts just as you describe, with tiny particles floating

around the alcohol which will not dissolve with heat. I seriously

doubt you have to worry about rancidity, especially with Ambrette.

CO2 is funny like that; I have some CO2 extracts that dissolve

readily in alcohol, but more that don't.

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Adam Gottschalk <adam@...> wrote: On Oct 13, 2007, at 1:56 PM,

Luna wrote:

>

> Is the CO2 Ambrette becoming rancid/spoiling or is this something

> normal for some essential oils to develop this kind of debris or fat

> residues? Both oils smell about the same. Neither smells rancid or

> unpleasant. I have no idea whether I should discard the CO2 Ambrette

>

> Moon

I myself have not had the best luck with CO2 extracts. I have a cocoa

one and it acts just as you describe, with tiny particles floating

around the alcohol which will not dissolve with heat. I seriously

doubt you have to worry about rancidity, especially with Ambrette.

CO2 is funny like that; I have some CO2 extracts that dissolve

readily in alcohol, but more that don't.

Hi Adam and Luna

> > " I will never buy the absolute, EO or CO2 again since reading in

> >Arctander that they can go rancid due to the fatty acid in them. "

>

Anya posted this up on the 16th of January about this.... about ambrette.... the

white bits could be the fatty acid... perhaps it is just ready for turning

rancid....

HTH

every good wish

Janita

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Adam Gottschalk wrote:

>> Is the CO2 Ambrette becoming rancid/spoiling or is this something

>> normal for some essential oils to develop this kind of debris or fat

>> residues? Both oils smell about the same. Neither smells rancid or

>> unpleasant. I have no idea whether I should discard the CO2 Ambrette

>> or perhaps heating it a little bit will unmelt these little chunks of

>> whatever they are. Any help or feedback is greately appreciated.

>>

>> Moon

>>

Hi Moon:

I'd write to the supplier and ask. I don't have the CO2, so I have

nothing to compare it to, but I believe that sort of extraction in

general tends to extract more waxes.

>

> I seriously

> doubt you have to worry about rancidity, especially with Ambrette.

> CO2 is funny like that; I have some CO2 extracts that dissolve

> readily in alcohol, but more that don't.

Ambrette has a very definite tendency to go rancid, . Arctander

noted this decades ago. I use ethanol to preserve my abs and EOs of

ambrette, and much prefer making ambrette seed tincture, anyway. Love

the creamy skin note of the crushed seed tincture, it doesn't have the

fatty spice note of the EO or abs, although that has its place, of course.

--

Sincerely, Anya

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> >> Is the CO2 Ambrette becoming rancid/spoiling or is this

something

> >> normal for some essential oils to develop this kind of debris

or fat

> >> residues? Both oils smell about the same. Neither smells rancid

or

> >> unpleasant. I have no idea whether I should discard the CO2

Ambrette

> >> or perhaps heating it a little bit will unmelt these little

chunks of

> >> whatever they are. Any help or feedback is greately appreciated.

Excuse my poor English. I have some experience with CO2 extracts and

want to apply my considerations.

I ordered some SCO2 extracts from Libertynatural supposing to use in

my perfumes. But it was very surprising to discover that many of

them are insoluble in alcohol. Such extracts as Ambrette seeds,

Fenugreek seeds, Nutmeg, Coriander seeds, Black pepper seeds are not

the analogs of EOs or absolutes, they act like fat oils. They settle

to the bottoms of the flacons in some minutes after shaking. I think

that CO2-extracting of seeds produces fat substances containing

essential components. And it's the particular feature of that

method. All these products blend with base oils very well and I'm

going to use them for therapeutic purposes. For my perfumes I'll

take the same absolutes.

Another extracts such as Juniper berry, Spikenard, Jusmine, Davana,

Neem leaves, dissolve in alcohol but leave sediments, therefore I

must filtrate liquids through special paper. They also blend with

fat oils, but sometimes (in cases of Neem and Davana) light heating

is necessary.

Best regards

Galina Gordeeva