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Hi Chan

I actually live about 15 miles from Leeds in a little village on the Pennine Way, with Lancashire just 3 miles down the road. I would ask your GP to refer you to either Dr Hammond (Harrogate District Hospital) or Dr Burrows (Huddersfield General Hospital) and tell him straight out that you are very disappointed with the attitude of the endocrinologist he referred you to in the first place. Both of these endocrinologists do prescribe Armour for some of their patients who don't do well on the synthetic thyroid replacements. Both understand the need for this, and it is great that word is getting around.

Unfortunately, one of the most closed minded hospital(s) are Leeds General Infirmary and St 's. I have had SO many complaints about their lack of knowledge and they follow the BTA protocol - why they never question this protocol I have no idea, but can only think that Leeds has some extremely bad endocrinologists. Many people find at the end of the day, that if they are not regaining their health on the one and only recommended synthetic tablet, they have to take their own health into their own hands. Everybody in such a situation should buy Dr Peatfield's book "Your thyroid and how to keep it healthy". It is brilliant.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

I know you live in Leeds and wonder if you know of any NHS endocrinologists that are sympathetic to us with Hypothyroid and deal with patients who are taking Armour.

I was referred to an NHS Endocrinologist Dr Murray at the LGI back in November but he wasn't happy that I have basically self medicated myself with Armour considering this is a unlicensed drug!! and even more surprised that I got my Dr to prescribe me it.

I am due to go back in February but really don't want to see him as I don't feel that he is really interested in how I am feeling considering the above!

Thanks

Chan

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Hi Chan,

I too would recommend Dr Burrows he is very kind and a very good listener.

Love Lizzie

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Hi Gill,

I know you see Dr Burrows and I am seeing him at the end of the month.

I was interested to read that Dr Burrows diagnosed you when you felt

that others would not have. Would you mind sharing your blood results

with me? I would be really interested.

Thanks Gill,

Barb

>

> Hi Chan, I would recommend Dr Burrows - Im not on Armour but I do

know that he is helping to sort me out and although he is a quiet man,

he is a gentleman I think and I have found him to be very pleasant -

and he diagnosed me when others wouldnt have!

>

> Gill

>

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Hi Barb

My TSH was 2.5, free T3 very very low but just inside 'normal' range and T4 slightly higher. I dont remember the exact results except TSH. I had many symptoms going back at least 3 years, and I think it was for much much longer. GP of course said I was depressed, gynae said I was menopausal and the rheumatologist said I had fibromyalgia. When I went back to rheumatologist and told her Id been diagnosed she said well we do consider it but I didnt think you looked like you had hypothyroidism. But actually my symptoms were classic - weight gain, puffy face and ankles, tiredness, memory and concentration problems, aches and pains all over etc etc.

What are you trying to work out? What are your blood tests?

Gill

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Hi Gill,I know you see Dr Burrows and I am seeing him at the end of the month. I was interested to read that Dr Burrows diagnosed you when you felt that others would not have. Would you mind sharing your blood results with me? I would be really interested.Thanks Gill,Barb>> Hi Chan, I would recommend Dr Burrows - Im not on Armour but I do know that he is helping to sort me out and although he is a quiet man, he is a gentleman I think and I have found him to be very pleasant - and he diagnosed me when others wouldnt have!> > Gill>

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Hi Gill,

I was just interested to see how he might approach my TSH of 4.26. It

has gone up from 3.4 in August. My TPO was 471.1 in August but it has

now gone up to 1000 plus. My T3 is 4.96. The urine tests Dr

Peatfield ordered showed very low T3 and normal T4. My Cortisol was

5.3 and Candida very high and positive. My ESR is also raised at 40

and I am having to have a whole battery of tests for that with my GP.

Sheila has told me the ESR can be raised with Hashimotos though so

that is a relief. I am encouraged that you have found Dr Borrows so

good. That is such an encouragement to me. Thanks. I have lots of

symptoms too .... aches and pains +++ puffy eyes, swollen

ankles,weight gain, memory and concentration problems, very sluggish

lymphatic system, fatique, insomnia etc...

I'll let you know how I get on.

Thanks Gill,

Barb

>

> Hi Barb

>

> My TSH was 2.5, free T3 very very low but just inside 'normal'

range and T4 slightly higher. I dont remember the exact results

except TSH. I had many symptoms going back at least 3 years, and I

think it was for much much longer. GP of course said I was

depressed, gynae said I was menopausal and the rheumatologist said I

had fibromyalgia. When I went back to rheumatologist and told her Id

been diagnosed she said well we do consider it but I didnt think you

looked like you had hypothyroidism. But actually my symptoms were

classic - weight gain, puffy face and ankles, tiredness, memory and

concentration problems, aches and pains all over etc etc.

>

> What are you trying to work out? What are your blood tests?

>

> Gill

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Thanks Sheila

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 Hi Chan

I actually live about 15 miles from Leeds in a little village on the Pennine Way, with Lancashire just 3 miles down the road. I would ask your GP to refer you to either Dr Hammond (Harrogate District Hospital) or Dr Burrows (Huddersfield General Hospital) and tell him straight out that you are very disappointed with the attitude of the endocrinologist he referred you to in the first place. Both of these endocrinologists do prescribe Armour for some of their patients who don't do well on the synthetic thyroid replacements. Both understand the need for this, and it is great that word is getting around.

Unfortunately, one of the most closed minded hospital(s) are Leeds General Infirmary and St 's. I have had SO many complaints about their lack of knowledge and they follow the BTA protocol - why they never question this protocol I have no idea, but can only think that Leeds has some extremely bad endocrinologists. Many people find at the end of the day, that if they are not regaining their health on the one and only recommended synthetic tablet, they have to take their own health into their own hands. Everybody in such a situation should buy Dr Peatfield's book "Your thyroid and how to keep it healthy". It is brilliant.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila

I know you live in Leeds and wonder if you know of any NHS endocrinologists that are sympathetic to us with Hypothyroid and deal with patients who are taking Armour.

I was referred to an NHS Endocrinologist Dr Murray at the LGI back in November but he wasn't happy that I have basically self medicated myself with Armour considering this is a unlicensed drug!! and even more surprised that I got my Dr to prescribe me it.

I am due to go back in February but really don't want to see him as I don't feel that he is really interested in how I am feeling considering the above!

Thanks

Chan

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Presenting with those symptoms and blood results Barb, I doubt Dr B will NOT give you a trial of thyroid hormone replacement. From what you have written here, I would say your body is screaming out for it.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Gill,I was just interested to see how he might approach my TSH of 4.26. It has gone up from 3.4 in August. My TPO was 471.1 in August but it has now gone up to 1000 plus. My T3 is 4.96. The urine tests Dr Peatfield ordered showed very low T3 and normal T4. My Cortisol was 5.3 and Candida very high and positive. My ESR is also raised at 40 and I am having to have a whole battery of tests for that with my GP. Sheila has told me the ESR can be raised with Hashimotos though so that is a relief. I am encouraged that you have found Dr Borrows so good. That is such an encouragement to me. Thanks. I have lots of symptoms too .... aches and pains +++ puffy eyes, swollen ankles,weight gain, memory and concentration problems, very sluggish lymphatic system, fatique, insomnia etc...I'll let you know how I get on.Thanks Gill,Barb>> Hi Barb> > My TSH was 2.5, free T3 very very low but just inside 'normal' range and T4 slightly higher. I dont remember the exact results except TSH. I had many symptoms going back at least 3 years, and I think it was for much much longer. GP of course said I was depressed, gynae said I was menopausal and the rheumatologist said I had fibromyalgia. When I went back to rheumatologist and told her Id been diagnosed she said well we do consider it but I didnt think you looked like you had hypothyroidism. But actually my symptoms were classic - weight gain, puffy face and ankles, tiredness, memory and concentration problems, aches and pains all over etc etc.> > What are you trying to work out? What are your blood tests?> > Gill

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Thanks sheila. Here's hoping something can be done.Will keep you

posted.

:-)

Barb

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> > Hi Barb

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> > My TSH was 2.5, free T3 very very low but just inside 'normal'

> range and T4 slightly higher. I dont remember the exact results

> except TSH. I had many symptoms going back at least 3 years, and

I

> think it was for much much longer. GP of course said I was

> depressed, gynae said I was menopausal and the rheumatologist

said I

> had fibromyalgia. When I went back to rheumatologist and told her

Id

> been diagnosed she said well we do consider it but I didnt think

you

> looked like you had hypothyroidism. But actually my symptoms were

> classic - weight gain, puffy face and ankles, tiredness, memory

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> concentration problems, aches and pains all over etc etc.

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> > What are you trying to work out? What are your blood tests?

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> > Gill

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Dear - I have sent the list to you privately

Luv - Sheila

Dear Sheila

Are there any endocrinologists on the nhs that you can recommend?

Many thanks

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Hi Sheila

Many thanks for your encouragement. I went ahead today and ordered all the

adrenal and other supplements from Nutri. I was so impressed with who was

really helpful and of course the 33% discount didn't do any harm either!

As regards my thyroid test results, I actually didn't take any Naturethroid that

morning and actually only took 3 grains the day before, instead of 4, because

I'd read it somewhere and was really scared of the dose being reduced.

Anyway, this leads me on to my next question.

I have decreased to 3 grains/day but am unsure how low I need to go before I can

start the adrenal supplements.

Also, how long do I need to be on the adrenal support before I start to increase

the Naturethroid again and at what speed?

Final question for tonight (I promise!), is it ok to start all the supplements

I've ordered on the same day - ie NAX, Adrenomax, Ultra potent Vit C, Nutri

Thyroid, Vit D3 drops, Thyro Complex, Magnesium, B12/Folate, Selenium? It seems

like a lot to start from scratch on the same day, or maybe not? By the way, I'm

on Warfarin for this stupid atrial fibrillation and so have to be careful of

that.

Many thanks again,

Nicola

>

> Your thyroid function test results would be as a consequence of taking

> Naturethroid which contains T43, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. I am guessing

> that you took your natural thyroid extract on the morning you had your blood

> drawn for the test.

>

> Your hyper symptoms of palpitations, sweating etc. could be an indication

> that you might be taking too much and cutting back by half a grain might

> help, but you would have to do the experiment. You need to supplement

> whatever minerals/vitamins you are low in and boost your adrenals in order

> that the thyroid hormone can be fully utilised at the cellular level. So,

> carry on with your plan.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

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Hi Nicola,

Has the palpitations, sweating ect stopped since cutting your

dose from 4 to 3 grains NDT? If so, and you feel better, stay on that dose. It

is recommended to stop your thyroid medication for a week when starting Nutri

Adrenal Extra and then start back on your NDT on the 8th day - and it is OK to

start back on the 3 grains.  You start NAE by taking 1 tablet with breakfast,

and on the 8th day, when you start back on NDT, take another NEA with lunch. Never

take any after 1.00p.m. Stay on that dose for 10 to 14 days and if symptoms

still persist, take another NAE with your breakfast. You can continue to

increase this way if you still have symptoms up to 6 NAE daily, but if these

don't help, you may need to consider HC, but speak with Dr Peatfield about

this. You should be fine however with NAE and high doses of vitamin C to help

with absorption of NAE and boost your adrenals. Not sure why you should need

NAE and Adrenomax (I think one or the other) and that's the same for Nutri Thyroid

or Thyro Complex. You can read about Nutri Thyroid here http://www.yournutritionshop.com/shopexd.asp?id=932

and Thyro Complex here http://www.vitacost.com/Vitacost-Thyroid-Complex-with-L-Tyrosine

Nutri AdrenoMax has a number of ingredients. These include:

• Vitamin C and pantothenic acid are found in very high concentrations in

adrenal tissues and support optimal adrenal health.

• B vitamins, especially vitamin B6, and magnesium are critical for

optimal blood sugar balance.

• Chamomile, Lime blossom, Hops and Passion Flower has a long history of

use for their soothing properties.

• 5-HTP is the essential nutritional precursor for the neurotransmitter

serotonin.

Directions:

1-3 capsules daily with food, or as directed.

Ingredients:

Each capsule typically contains:

• Beta-Carotene; 1.66 mg

• Vitamin A (retinyl acetate); 10 ìg

• Vitamin E (d-alpha tocopherol); 13.3 mg

• Vitamin C (ascorbic acid); 166.6 mg

• Vitamin B1 (thiamin mononitrate); 33.3 mg

• Vitamin B2 (riboflavin); 6.6 mg

• Vitamin B3 (niacin); 33.3 mg

• Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCl); 10 mg

• Folic Acid; 33.3 ìg

• Vitamin B12 (cyanocobalamin); 6.66 ìg

• Biotin; 16.6 ìg

• Pantothenic acid (as d-calcium pantothenate); 66.6 mg

• Calcium (citrate); 33.3 mg

• Iron (amino acid chelate); 0.33 mg

• Magnesium (glycinate); 33.3 mg

• Zinc (picolinate); 3.3 mg

• Manganese (amino acid chelate); 0.33 mg

• Copper (amino acid chelate); 0.16 mg

• Selenium (methionine); 16.6 ìg

• Molybdenum (amino acid chelate); 6.66 ìg

• Chromium (polynicotinate); 16.6 ìg

• Vanadium (amino acid chelate); 3.33 ìg

• Iodine (kelp/bladderwrack); 0.03 mg

• Lecithin providing: 72.3 mg

• Choline; 16.6 mg

• Inositol; 16.6 mg

• Lysine; 10 mg

• Methionine; 10 mg

• L-Carnitine; 3.3 mg

• Tyrosine; 3.3 mg

• 5-HTP (5-Hydroxytryptophan); 3.3 mg

• Grape Seed Extract (95% polyphenols); 6.6 mg

• Cabbage Leaf; 6.6 mg

• Chamomile Flower (Matricaria chamomilla); 6.6 mg

• Dandelion Leaf (Taraxacum officinale); 6.6 mg

• Hops Herb Powder (Humulus lupulus); 6.6 mg

• Lime Blossom (Citrus aurantifolia); 6.6 mg

• Marshmallow Root (Althaea officinalis); 6.6 mg

• Passion Flower Powder (Passiflora incarnata); 6.6 mg

• Skullcap Root (Scutellaria baicalensis); 6.6 mg

• Wild Lettuce (Lactuca virosa); 6.6 mg

Nutri Adrenal Extra contains:

Each tablet typically provides:

Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid)

Vitamin B1 (Thiamin HCl)

Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)

Vitamin B3 (Niacinamide)

Vitamin B5 (d-calcium Pantothenate)

Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCl)

Magnesium (Citrate)

Zinc (Ascorbate)

Chromium Picotinate

Bioflavonoids

Choline Bitartrate

Adrenal tissue concentrate

Pituitary tissue concentrate

All tissue concentrates are of bovine source from New Zealand.

I doubt that these supplements will cause problems with your

warfarin, but I very much doubt you will need such huge doses if you take all

of these. You need to decide how much of these specific vitamins/minerals you

will be taking daily if you add up the dosages of each one. Speak with Dr

Peatfield if you are his patient.

Luv - Sheila

150mg

20 mg

20 mg

20 mg

60 mg

20 mg

75 mg

3mg

40ug

40mg

20mg

200mg

15mg

Anyway, this leads me on to my next question.

I have decreased to 3 grains/day but am unsure how low I need to go before I

can start the adrenal supplements.

Also, how long do I need to be on the adrenal support before I start to

increase the Naturethroid again and at what speed?

Final question for tonight (I promise!), is it ok to start all the supplements

I've ordered on the same day - ie NAX, Adrenomax, Ultra potent Vit C, Nutri

Thyroid, Vit D3 drops, Thyro Complex, Magnesium, B12/Folate, Selenium? It seems

like a lot to start from scratch on the same day, or maybe not? By the way, I'm

on Warfarin for this stupid atrial fibrillation and so have to be careful of

that.