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> Bonnie - is quite right - as I said in my first reply to you,

doubling

> time of white count and lymphocytes is an important measure - these would

> likely be tied to increases in node size, as that is where these guys wind

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Hi Bonnie - I do not think you have been misled - It's a crazy disease, and

some people can indeed go for years with no treatment, or even for their whole

lives - My guess would be that if you are a younger patient, and have been

diagnosed, you might sooner or later require some sort of treatment - The

diagnostic tests we have discussed here are intended to give the chemo naive

patient

an idea of whether they have a truly " sleepy " disease, or whether the

prognostics indicate a potentially more aggressive variant.

Whether or not you wish to go through all this testing is a very personal

matter. Some folks are crazy to know exactly what is going on, and what their

prognosis is. Others say, lets wait and see.

And, by the way, lots of people who are chemo naive and have never been

treated. This is a very specific issues, and there is no cut and dry answer.

Lately, some folks, especially if they have had diagnostic tests which

indicate a potentially aggressive disease, have opted for Rituxan, or for

Chlorambucil. Others wait, no matter what.

Personally, I never had any diagnostic testing. 4-5 years ago it was not yet

very popular. I put off treatment as long a I possibly could. Finally, I

became so anemic that I had no choice.

Always good to get second and third opinions, but it's your call.

Best of luck,

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Hi Bonnie - that's an easy one

An oncologist is a doctor who deals with all cancers. A hematologist is a

subset, and deals with blood diseases, and blood cancers. We have a blood

cancer.

A hematologist would be like a specialist to us. Sort of like if you have an

ear ache you can go to your family doctor, or go see an ear-nose-throat guy.

I agree with (I think Kurt), you should get an expert opinion.

For your info, I see one oncologist (because he first diagnosed me) and three

hematologists.

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Dear Bonnie,

Did you write my medical prognosis? We are very similar in symptoms and time frames.

You have a great attitude and it perked me up! Thanks!

Amy

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Bonnie,

What a great time you had! It's so wonderful that you were able to do your

breaths, and all that walking! You got benefits for sure. I'm so happy you're

back.

Kiki

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ohhhhhhhhhhh I wouldn't want to be around when dear sweet Rashelle protects her

family. I bet you would put the proverbial mother tiger to shame dear one LOL

I can just see you!

We had a man in church who had a bag for his colon? I forget what it's called.

Anyhow, when he would come into church...sigh, yes this happened in a church

which we do NOT go to any more...people would literally shove down the pew so

they wouldn't be " near him or touch him " . You could see the bag sometimes and

sometimes he wasn't as " clean " as others. He was an older gentleman who was

alone in the world. It used to make me see red. My husband was even worse!

One day we got to church late and there was this dear man sitting in the pew

with probably 3 feet of space on the other side of him. My husband grabbed the

kids hands and determindedly marched up the aisle and excused himself to the

man, then all but shoved us all in. I had the honor of sitting next to him and

one thing I would never have known was that this man had the most beautiful

singing voice. He could no longer read (I'm not sure he ever could) but he knew

all the hymns by heart and would sing quietly along. Oh what a blessing that

was for our family. We left the church a few months later, but not before we

were blessed to not only get to know this man but he became a regular at our

Sunday dinner table.

I always wonder what other blessings I've missed over the years because I've

been thoughtless or uncaring, you know?

warmly,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any person

who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings I've

received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional child who

might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how often

these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender spot

with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Churches aren't always what you expect -- Dad went to communion one day, and his

(artificial) leg fell off -- the usher ran up to him and rather than help him,

he started berating him for disturbing the " flow " to the communion rail!!!

Dad absolutely refused to go back to this church -- and towards the end he and

Mom simply watched the services from a TV broadcast.

I've always hoped that individuals there weren't that heartless -- but it is

certain that no one other than Mom helped him get his leg back on and leave the

church! (this was before the wheel chair, and he had to wear the leg to walk).

Bonnie

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ohhhhhhhhhhh I wouldn't want to be around when dear sweet Rashelle protects her

family. I bet you would put the proverbial mother tiger to shame dear one LOL

I can just see you!

We had a man in church who had a bag for his colon? I forget what it's called.

Anyhow, when he would come into church...sigh, yes this happened in a church

which we do NOT go to any more...people would literally shove down the pew so

they wouldn't be " near him or touch him " . You could see the bag sometimes and

sometimes he wasn't as " clean " as others. He was an older gentleman who was

alone in the world. It used to make me see red. My husband was even worse!

One day we got to church late and there was this dear man sitting in the pew

with probably 3 feet of space on the other side of him. My husband grabbed the

kids hands and determindedly marched up the aisle and excused himself to the

man, then all but shoved us all in. I had the honor of sitting next to him and

one thing I would never have known was that this man had the most beautiful

singing voice. He could no longer read (I'm not sure he ever could) but he knew

all the hymns by heart and would sing quietly along. Oh what a blessing that

was for our family. We left the church a few months later, but not before we

were blessed to not only get to know this man but he became a regular at our

Sunday dinner table.

I always wonder what other blessings I've missed over the years because I've

been thoughtless or uncaring, you know?

warmly,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any person

who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings I've

received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional child who

might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how often

these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender spot

with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Oh Bonnie! How absolutely awful! What is with people? And in a church! I

thought my story was terrible, but your dad...wow! I would definitely have a

very unChristian thing to say to that man...starting with " bite me " and

well...you get the drift. Would it have killed the man to help your mom and

dad? Gosh! I'm flabbergasted and so hurt for your mom and dad. Well, his

artificial leg won't fall off in Heaven....he's perfect now! :) And you know,

while I could think of a million things to say, he has to answer to the very

same God we do and I can guarantee God would not appreciate the way he treated

your mom and dad.

And how sad that they had to watch services on TV. You know, some of the

meanest people I've ever met have been Christians and it always amazes me. How

is it that we forget what Jesus gave up for us.....and the Grace that God

continually bestows on us...when we don't even deserve it. Your dad at least

deserved to be shown respect and dare I say it....grace!

love you dear one,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any

person who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings

I've received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional

child who might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how

often these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender

spot with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Oh, Bonnie, I'm so sorry your parents suffered through such *unlovingness* at

the hand of others. I remember having a deacon's wife berate me for asking for

help getting my children back and forth to some of their church activities just

after I had our preemie and couldn't get out. Thankfully, though, not all

deacons are like that. I watch my father bake homemade bread and cook vegetable

soup from home for the elderly in the church (he's 75 himself), work on

countless maintenance chores, and get to church way early on Sundays to help get

the older members to their classes. He's the one who fixes the coffee for them,

and walks them in. A lot of what he does goes unnoticed, but he doesn't mind

because it's given freely out of his love for the Lord and for people. I grew

up in the church my parents still attend, and even though as an adult, I lived

out of town, and was no longer a member there, it was this precious church that

visited me daily. So, dear sweet one, don't despair that everyone is like that.

Your poor parents just happened to find some of those who haven't been freed

from their own personal prisons and learned to really love.

Love,

Melinda :o)

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When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any

person who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings

I've received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional

child who might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how

often these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender

spot with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Oh Jenni,

What a wonderful story. I'm so honored to 'know' you. You and your husband

are so precious and loving. I get so upset with the so called 'church

group' that don't live what they are sposed to be learning and living. I know

that not only you and your family were blessed by that man, but you also

blessed

him.

Love you....

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Bonnie,

I'm so sorry your parents had such an awful experience. I don't believe I

could have kept from telling that usher exactly where to get off and just

where to put his 'tude'!!! Everything else I want to say to you, Jenni has

said

perfectly, and there is nothing I can add...

Love you,

Kiki

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Melinda,

Your Father sounds so special. Someone I bet I'd love to know. Give him a

big 'ol hug from me when you see him next...

Love you,

Kiki

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Kiki, you always say the sweetest things. What a blessing you are.

love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

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Oh Jenni,

What a wonderful story. I'm so honored to 'know' you. You and your husband

are so precious and loving. I get so upset with the so called 'church

group' that don't live what they are sposed to be learning and living. I

know

that not only you and your family were blessed by that man, but you also

blessed

him.

Love you....

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Hi Jenni,

I would have said plenty -- if I had been there. But at the time I lived 550

miles away, and felt fortunate to be able to visit most weekends.

I think that, with today's mobile, non-extended family, people are often

uncomfortable with the elderly and disabled. I remember when my husband and I

visited China (tour) -- the streets in Beijing were nightmares of pedestrians,

bikers, animal/carts, and vehicles -- horns blared, people were yelling, etc. --

but let an obviously elderly person start to cross the road and everything

stopped! Age was very-much respected there!

Mind you, my father was no saint -- once (by this time he was in his motorized

wheelchair) I took him to a local mall -- he loved to people watch -- and he was

chatting with a little kid who was quite interested in how my father's leg had

fallen off. Well, Dad told the kid that he hadn't been a good " little boy " and

had sassed his mommy when young, and that's what God did to bad little boys --

so he (the kid) had better obey his mommy.... Anyway he and the youngster were

enjoying each other (Mom and I were nearby in a store, keeping an eye on Dad)

and the mother came up and started berating the kid for " talking to a stranger "

and yanked him off -- so my father turned his wheelchair up to full speed and

rammed the mother! Mom and I had a tangled time apologizing to a woman who we

weren't terribly pleased with to start with! (I'm sure the " stories " that he was

telling were easy enough to explain, and I doubt the mother had really heard

them).

Which brings me to another " hot point " -- we teach our children to never, ever

talk to strangers -- which is a good rule on the surface! -- but when you're

with your child, then there should be no problem with talking with the elderly

or disabled! I also think that a child who can't make a decision about which

strangers are okay (an old man in a wheelchair in a very public mall vs. a

youngish man in a park are quite different!) should NOT be allowed out of a

parent's sight! Ever! I had 6 hellions, with one of them being excessively

off-the-wall hyper, and I simply didn't take them places where I was unable to

control them -- I worked hard at keeping my kids within sight and under control

at all times! Even though this meant a leash on the super-hyper one at times

(hey, at Little League games I leashed him to the backstop, and I'm sure that

this is the reason he's still alive -- one second of darting and he could have

been under a car's wheels at this particular park!)....

I best quit this rambling!

Bonnie

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Oh Bonnie! How absolutely awful! What is with people? And in a church! I

thought my story was terrible, but your dad...wow! I would definitely have a

very unChristian thing to say to that man...starting with " bite me " and

well...you get the drift. Would it have killed the man to help your mom and

dad? Gosh! I'm flabbergasted and so hurt for your mom and dad. Well, his

artificial leg won't fall off in Heaven....he's perfect now! :) And you know,

while I could think of a million things to say, he has to answer to the very

same God we do and I can guarantee God would not appreciate the way he treated

your mom and dad.

And how sad that they had to watch services on TV. You know, some of the

meanest people I've ever met have been Christians and it always amazes me. How

is it that we forget what Jesus gave up for us.....and the Grace that God

continually bestows on us...when we don't even deserve it. Your dad at least

deserved to be shown respect and dare I say it....grace!

love you dear one,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any

person who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings

I've received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional

child who might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how

often these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender

spot with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Girl, you and I are soooooooooo much alike in thoughts. I had one I had to

leash also....never ever regretted it...he would have been on amber alerts

regularly LOL

How gracious of you to apologize to the woman...I think I would have left in a

huff!

I agree so much with all you said!

love you,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was

totally incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any

person who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings

I've received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional

child who might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how

often these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender

spot with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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Thank you, Kiki, and I'll pass along the hug - he'll love that! I'm very

grateful that he's my Dad.

Melinda :o)

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Melinda,

Your Father sounds so special. Someone I bet I'd love to know. Give him a

big 'ol hug from me when you see him next...

Love you,

Kiki

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Yep, I used a leash with my kids, too, especially at the mall because I was

afraid of people being able to take them. I got some looks, but I was just

using it to give my kids the freedom to walk and explore, but still be able to

hang onto them and not let someone else take them.

Melinda :o)

RE: Beautiful Flower in a Broken Pot

When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were

a mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was

totally incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was

never disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just

very old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any

person who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings

I've received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional

child who might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how

often these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a

tender spot with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as

these..

Bonnie

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Amen ladies

thanks for sharing, so precious and great reminders to all

I work in healthcare and it was so special to read

R

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When my father was towards the end of his life, his head and face were a

mess -- frequent removal of skin cancers (coupled with blood thinners, which

impeded clotting) had left his (bald) head and face scabby and frequently oozing

blood, and a bad case of seborrhea dermatitis capped it.

He also had only one leg, and was thin beyond imagination. He was totally

incontinent, and sometimes didn't smell all that good (which was always

immediately rectified, my mother took marvelous care of him). He shook pretty

badly....you can probably get the picture....

Dad loved to go places, and was really hurt by people's comments. For

example, once he was sitting (in his wheel chair) at a mall, and a young child

was chatting with him -- the child's mother grabbed her kid and pulled him away,

saying (rather loudly) " you just don't know what someone like that'll give

you.... " Another time we took him to his favorite restaurant, and a woman

commented (again rather loudly) " that people like my father ought to be kept out

of the public, they ruined others' meals... "

At no time was Dad unable to understand these comments, and he was never

disease ridden (so that he could pass anything to anyone) -- he was just very

old and his body was falling apart.

Since Dad passed away, I've gone out of my way to try to talk to any person

who looks incapacitated -- young and old -- and the smiles and blessings I've

received are marvelous. I particularly try to make over the occasional child who

might be truly ugly (deformity in the face type thing) -- I wonder how often

these children have adults cooing over them....

Sorry for rambling on and on, but this story of Rashelle's hit a tender spot

with me -- I wish more people would be kind to people such as these..

Bonnie

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HI Connie,

Try this link: http://www.createforum.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2

<http://www.createforum.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2 & mforum=hoodia>

& mforum=hoodia. If it doesn't work, then try drilling down through

http://www.hgpills.com until you find the forum.

Please remember, it worked for me but I have no idea if it'll work for you.

Apparently it was the tweak that I needed to lose weight -- if you read through

the forum, there are some people who are not happy with it. And there are many

for whom it's working well. I strongly suspect that everything that I was

already doing: the LL breathing, LL exercising, and careful eating (low-carb)

contributed to making it work. I consider the hoodia a tool, not a magic

solution.....

Not to be mentioned on that forum -- if you decide to try it, I get it at a much

cheaper price ($22.50/bottle vs. $39.50/bottle) at

http://www.thebestlittlevitaminshop.com/.

Good luck and let me know what you decide to do!

Bonnie

Re: Mineral Essence Makeup

Hi everyone! Well I think I am back among the living...yeaaaaaa!!! I

have a

lot of catching up to do, I see. Thought I'd start here, before I left

for

the soup kitchen...

Yes, it takes VERY LITTE of the foundation powder. And if you do any

concealing before, that as well takes very little and you don't buff it

in like you

do when you're applying the foundation. It kinda works like magic, in

that

it will just be OK. I doubt the mineral veil is turning you orange, it

has

NO color to it. I'm not real sure what to say about that, I've never

had an

orange problem... Could be just the wrong color for you? What did you

end up

getting? I don't use the BM blush either, so can't comment on that one

either... Just a thought here, are you calling the 'warmth', blush?

Unless you

ordered a blush color separate, it doesn't come in the kit. If that is

what

you are meaning, my guess is that you are using way to much of it and

that's

what's giving you the orange coloring. With the warmth, you even use

LESS

than with the foundation! I wouldn't be surprised if you are using to

much

color too, just cuz we're all used to having to almost spackle on

liquid and

it's hard to imagine not having to use much of the BM. I hope this

gives you

some help. I truly think, once you get it down, you'll love it. Just

takes

a little time and a light hand...

Love ya'll and have missed ya...

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& mforum=hoodia

Re: Mineral Essence Makeup

Hi everyone! Well I think I am back among the living...yeaaaaaa!!! I

have a

lot of catching up to do, I see. Thought I'd start here, before I left

for

the soup kitchen...

Yes, it takes VERY LITTE of the foundation powder. And if you do any

concealing before, that as well takes very little and you don't buff it

in like you

do when you're applying the foundation. It kinda works like magic, in

that

it will just be OK. I doubt the mineral veil is turning you orange, it

has

NO color to it. I'm not real sure what to say about that, I've never

had an

orange problem... Could be just the wrong color for you? What did you

end up

getting? I don't use the BM blush either, so can't comment on that one

either... Just a thought here, are you calling the 'warmth', blush?

Unless you

ordered a blush color separate, it doesn't come in the kit. If that is

what

you are meaning, my guess is that you are using way to much of it and

that's

what's giving you the orange coloring. With the warmth, you even use

LESS

than with the foundation! I wouldn't be surprised if you are using to

much

color too, just cuz we're all used to having to almost spackle on

liquid and

it's hard to imagine not having to use much of the BM. I hope this

gives you

some help. I truly think, once you get it down, you'll love it. Just

takes

a little time and a light hand...

Love ya'll and have missed ya...

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the excess text just sort of appears during a send -- oh, well, try clicking on

the fist part....

Re: Mineral Essence Makeup

Hi everyone! Well I think I am back among the living...yeaaaaaa!!! I

have a

lot of catching up to do, I see. Thought I'd start here, before I left

for

the soup kitchen...

Yes, it takes VERY LITTE of the foundation powder. And if you do any

concealing before, that as well takes very little and you don't buff it

in like you

do when you're applying the foundation. It kinda works like magic, in

that

it will just be OK. I doubt the mineral veil is turning you orange, it

has

NO color to it. I'm not real sure what to say about that, I've never

had an

orange problem... Could be just the wrong color for you? What did you

end up

getting? I don't use the BM blush either, so can't comment on that one

either... Just a thought here, are you calling the 'warmth', blush?

Unless you

ordered a blush color separate, it doesn't come in the kit. If that is

what

you are meaning, my guess is that you are using way to much of it and

that's

what's giving you the orange coloring. With the warmth, you even use

LESS

than with the foundation! I wouldn't be surprised if you are using to

much

color too, just cuz we're all used to having to almost spackle on

liquid and

it's hard to imagine not having to use much of the BM. I hope this

gives you

some help. I truly think, once you get it down, you'll love it. Just

takes

a little time and a light hand...

Love ya'll and have missed ya...

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Hi Bonnie,

Again, I am so short on time to read the lists but really wanted to make another

suggestion for your Mom if you plan on ordering her some of the body wrap

products. Rashelle had on her website (not sure if it is still there) a

product for sore backs; etc.; I think it is called something like heat aloe

vera? Rashelle can tell you which product it is. I use that on my Dad's

feet; he suffer's from neuropathy and cannot tolerate the meds to control his

pain. He does find relief with this product for a while. I use it all the

time because I have a back that goes into spasms a LOT and this really helps the

pain for me.

Take care and enjoy that trip!

Love, Wanda.

http://www.lifelift.net/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=WinWithLifeLift

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Thanks Wanda -- I never saw that product, will need to go looking for it.... If

it works for my mother, it will be a godsend!!!

Thanks again,

Bonnie

Re: Bonnie

Hi Bonnie,

Again, I am so short on time to read the lists but really wanted to make another

suggestion for your Mom if you plan on ordering her some of the body wrap

products. Rashelle had on her website (not sure if it is still there) a

product for sore backs; etc.; I think it is called something like heat aloe

vera? Rashelle can tell you which product it is. I use that on my Dad's

feet; he suffer's from neuropathy and cannot tolerate the meds to control his

pain. He does find relief with this product for a while. I use it all the

time because I have a back that goes into spasms a LOT and this really helps the

pain for me.

Take care and enjoy that trip!

Love, Wanda.

http://www.lifelift.net/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=WinWithLifeLift

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now that you have mentioned about accuracy of scales. Are digital better then dial? I was thinking it would give you a more accurate reading. I have always had a dial in the past but as you said it seemed everytime i got on them it had a different reading. So I was thinking maybe digitial when I bought this time.

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Hi I know this e-mail wasn't to me, but I wanted to say congratulations on losing the 50 lbs. That is so incredible. I can't wait till I can say that. You are an inspiration. About stepping on the scales, I step on mine two or three times each time I weigh in. I move my scales away from the wall when I want to step on them, and so I don't think the first time on is very accurate. The scales tend to say a different number the second time on them. I step on the scale a couple of times until I get the same number at least twice and that is the number I go with. I think that is the most accurate way on my scales. Usually the second and third time on the scales say the same number. Unfortunately that number is usually higher then the first number on the scales, but oh well, I would rather be accurate.

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Hello Bonnie,

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this message. This is very good

advice and much appreciated.

It can be normal to feel a little light headed when doing breathing exercises,

but it is not normal to feel dizzy and uncomfortable so it does sound to me like

it may be related to something else.

Be Healthy and take good care,

Rashelle

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Re: need some advice (for Raschelle or enyone else who

might be able to help)

Hi lene,

Concerning your dizziness, etc.:

I also have low blood pressure (doubt that it's ever reached 120/80 - and I

am well past menopause, which is supposed to remove our female advantage....)

and I tend to get dizzy. When I first started LL I had to build up to what I

could do.

What I do is, whenever it happens, slow down what I'm doing, sit or lay

down, then do whatever I had been doing CAREFULLY (I fainted several years ago,

knocked my head on the tile floor, and got a mild concussion!).

I have noticed that when I get dizzy, I'm likely to have several more

light-headed spells - it seems to come in " spurts " . Sometimes it's accompanied

by vague nausea. It usually lasts for a week or two.

I've been checked by doctors (particularly when I had the concussion) - they

even looked for siezures - but they couldn't find anything wrong with me. I

think it's just one of the many variations we can have.

I doubt that anything you're doing (physically) is contributing that much -

simply slow down and try the activity again a bit more carefully.

I also used to have low blood sugar (low-carbing has pretty much evened that

out) - you may want to check that, too - it can make you dizzy and nauseous....

Bonnie

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