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In a message dated 9/19/2006 6:13:05 PM Central Daylight Time,

WAPFbaby@... writes:

> Hello,

>

> Has anyone done any ferments with prickly pear fruit from cactus? I

> have an organic plant in the front garden, and the fruit is getting

> heavy and purple. I could make jam, but I try to keep sweeteners to a

> minimum. I don't know if they must be cooked first either, but from a

> quick search, apparently either fresh or cooked is fine. Perhaps

> cooking mellows it? I could eat the pads too, I know, but it's the

> ripening fruit I am most interested in now. Maybe some cactus kefir

> beer or something? How about a relish for Thanksgiving with prickly

> pear instead of cranberry?

>

> Any suggestions are most appreciated.

>

> TIA,

> Deanna

>

Deanna,

Yes, I have some prickly pear pads julieanned with some cabbage

sauerkraut. It tastes OK but it has the slimeiness of boiled okra. I made this

cactus kimchi with diabetes in mind. I am not diabetic, but perhaps my pancreas

could use a supplement now and then? I have not used the cactus apples in

ferments as of yet. I have cooked them down with sugar and sure gel and made

perserves out of them. They are best when a touch green yet, after they turn red

they

taste good but have lots of seeds with not much meat left. Many Mexicans use

the pads (one a day, taken in the morning and raw) rather than insulin shots

for diabetes. I'd like to see more information on this. Thanks for bringing this

up. C R

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Deanna wrote:

OK, well I'm just JEALOUS, darn it. I love prickly pear!

They are expensive though.

I haven't tried fermenting them, but isn't a cactus used

for making Tequila? The prickly pears seem like they'd

make a fine beer or wine. You'd want them to settle

out, or filter them, or something though: fermenting

whole fruit is more work.

What we do with extra fruit around here is:

1. Freeze it (breaks the cell walls without cooking it).

2. Unfreeze it.

3. Put it in a juicer bag (for making jelly), hang it from

a cabinet, and squeeze the juice out of it.

4. Freeze the juice in ice cube trays.

5. Feed the rest to the chooks.

Once you have the pure juice, making wine/beer is

easier (tho the skin and seeds do add their own flavor:

it's a tradeoff!). Also takes less room in the freezer.

You can use the juice for anything: smoothies,

syrups, jams, or just mix with fizz water to make pop.

Or mix with coconut milk and tapioca to make bubble tea.

-- Heidi

-- Heidi

> Hello,

>

> Has anyone done any ferments with prickly pear fruit from cactus? I

> have an organic plant in the front garden, and the fruit is getting

> heavy and purple. I could make jam, but I try to keep sweeteners to a

> minimum. I don't know if they must be cooked first either, but from a

> quick search, apparently either fresh or cooked is fine. Perhaps

> cooking mellows it? I could eat the pads too, I know, but it's the

> ripening fruit I am most interested in now. Maybe some cactus kefir

> beer or something? How about a relish for Thanksgiving with prickly

> pear instead of cranberry?

>

> Any suggestions are most appreciated.

>

> TIA,

> Deanna

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>> Many Mexicans use

the pads (one a day, taken in the morning and raw) rather than insulin

shots

for diabetes. I'd like to see more information on this. Thanks for

bringing this

up. C R

I can't say for cactus, and I'm not diabetic, but I do

track my blood sugar, and neem leaves help a lot

too. Neem will grow nicely in a warm climate ... it

grows nicely here, indoors. www.neemtreefarms.com has

the small trees, and you can buy the raw leaves in bulk too.

They freeze well, then you make tea out of them. Until

your tree gets big enough to harvest them ...

-- Heidi

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> Has anyone done any ferments with prickly pear fruit from cactus? ~Deanna

No, Deanna, I have not (as yet). But Charlie Papazian in his THE

COMPLETE JOY OF HOME BREWING has a recipe for a prickly pear mead that

he claims is simply extraordinary ( " . . .the most seductively delicious

mead I have ever had--*ever* " )--he makes some every year. (I have the

3rd edition--the recipe is on pp 341-42.) Papazian makes it sound like

this mead is something you owe to yourself if you have access to prickly

pear. I plan to try it, but am only getting back into brewing, so

probably won't be able to this year.

~Harvey

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Harvey in northern Va

www.themodernhomestead.us

" How we eat determines, to a considerable extent, how the world is

used. " ~Wendell Berry

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Prickly pear pads, otherwise known as nopales, can be sliced up like French

cut green beans and made into frittata - really good. Berkeley Bowl sells

both the pads (de-spined) and bags of the de-spined and cut up veggie. I

tend to think of the ripe fruit like I do pomegranates - just seedy.

Connie

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In a message dated 9/19/2006 6:13:05 PM Central Daylight Time,

WAPFbabysalvonix (DOT) <mailto:WAPFbaby%40salvonix.com> com writes:

> Hello,

>

> Has anyone done any ferments with prickly pear fruit from cactus? I

> have an organic plant in the front garden, and the fruit is getting

> heavy and purple. I could make jam, but I try to keep sweeteners to a

> minimum. I don't know if they must be cooked first either, but from a

> quick search, apparently either fresh or cooked is fine. Perhaps

> cooking mellows it? I could eat the pads too, I know, but it's the

> ripening fruit I am most interested in now. Maybe some cactus kefir

> beer or something? How about a relish for Thanksgiving with prickly

> pear instead of cranberry?

>

> Any suggestions are most appreciated.

>

> TIA,

> Deanna

>

Deanna,

Yes, I have some prickly pear pads julieanned with some cabbage

sauerkraut. It tastes OK but it has the slimeiness of boiled okra. I made

this

cactus kimchi with diabetes in mind. I am not diabetic, but perhaps my

pancreas

could use a supplement now and then? I have not used the cactus apples in

ferments as of yet. I have cooked them down with sugar and sure gel and made

perserves out of them. They are best when a touch green yet, after they turn

red they

taste good but have lots of seeds with not much meat left. Many Mexicans use

the pads (one a day, taken in the morning and raw) rather than insulin shots

for diabetes. I'd like to see more information on this. Thanks for bringing

this

up. C R

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I've had a lot of fun and some rather unpleasant-tasting results with my big bed

of thornless cactus. I have also experimented with canned nopalitos (it is in

the Mexican part of your local grocery, at least in Texas), which is of course

easier.

I found that whether or not I was using ripened pears (which are only available

seasonally) or the pads, the best of my efforts were to blanche them whole,

then slice and place in blender (I use the old VitaMix) with either kefirized

fruit juice or kombucha tea. I add a mix of stevia and molasses to sweeten, a

huge dash of cinnamon and tumeric, let it sit on the counter 12 hours or so,

depending entirely on the season of the year (temperature-wise). Keep tasting

through a straw to see when you like it, as it can turn " off " taste-wise very

quickly. The pads have a consistancy that many would not like, very slimy. But

I am used to lots of kefiran in my milk kefir, and we eat lots of slimy okra

here, so don't mind this. The pears always come up with a lovely color, and I

really like them better, but I bet the pads are better for you! By the way, on

the portions that I experimented with by adding kefir grains, they fermented a

little strongly for me, and I did not dare use these grains subsequently, so

just added them to my next smoothie. These treasures are never wasted at my

house!

Just be willing to experiment, and you will come up with something unusual and

tasty!

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> 1. Freeze it (breaks the cell walls without cooking it).

> 2. Unfreeze it.

> 3. Put it in a juicer bag (for making jelly), hang it from

> a cabinet, and squeeze the juice out of it.

> 4. Freeze the juice in ice cube trays.

> 5. Feed the rest to the chooks.

Great suggestions Heidi! And freezing gives me time to get off my

intentions about it <g>.

>

> Once you have the pure juice, making wine/beer is

> easier (tho the skin and seeds do add their own flavor:

> it's a tradeoff!). Also takes less room in the freezer.

> You can use the juice for anything: smoothies,

> syrups, jams, or just mix with fizz water to make pop.

> Or mix with coconut milk and tapioca to make bubble tea.

Bubble tea?

Thanks for breaking it all done for me - it seems much more doable now!

Deanna

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> They are best when a touch green yet, after they turn red they

> taste good but have lots of seeds with not much meat left. Many

> Mexicans use

> the pads (one a day, taken in the morning and raw) rather than insulin

> shots

> for diabetes. I'd like to see more information on this. Thanks for

> bringing this

> up.

Huh, learn something new every day. I am not diabetic, but I have had

cactus in salsa before. Perhaps pads could be pickled alone and rinsed

of their slime later on?

Well, most of the pears were all purple - but just recently. I did pick

some with green, and I will certainly keep that in mind. I can just

plant some of the seeds (and eat some too). Cacti can also grow from the

pads that fall off during storms. They just start growing. That

fascinated me when I first noticed it. Observing nature is the best

education.

Here's a bit more I found on them:

http://www.rain.org/greennet/docs/exoticveggies/html/pricklypear.htm

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Culinary Uses . Whether you add sliced or cubed pads to omelettes or

gently urge the fruit from its stickery skin and eat it fresh or cooked

into jelly, this cactus has much to offer. Even the seeds can be eaten

in soups or dried and ground into flour. Recipes and entertaining and

informative tips on preparation can be found in Joyce L. Tate’s Cactus

Cookbook, available from the Cactus and Succulent Society of America.

Recipes range from appetizers, soups, and salads through entrees,

vegetable dishes, and breads to desserts, beverages, and candies.

In Central Mexico, the pads have been grown as a traditional vegetable

since before the Spanish arrived. They taste something like green beans.

Today, the pads are available in this country throughout the year in

specialty produce sections and at farmers’ markets. The smaller young

pads in the early spring are the most succulent, delicate in flavor, and

have the fewest spines. Fresh pads are full of water and should be

bright green and firm. To prepare the pad, simply hold its base and

scrape the skin on both sides with a blunt knife until all the spines

are removed. Then peel the pads and cut them into shoestring strips or

dice them according to the needs of the recipe. They can be eaten raw in

salads, boiled and fried like eggplant, pickled with spices, or cooked

with shellfish, pork, chilies, tomatoes, eggs, coriander, garlic, and

onions.

The flavor of a ripe prickly pear cactus fruit depends on the variety

but include strawberries, watermelons, honeydew melons, figs, bananas,

and citrus. You can eat them raw, at room temperature or chilled, and

alone or with lemon juice. They can be cooked into jams and preserves or

cooked down into a syrup as a base for jelly and candy — the “cactus

candy” in some Mexican food stores. This syrup can be reduced even

further into a dark red or black paste that is fermented into a potent

alcoholic drink called “coloncha.” The fruit pulp can be dried and

ground into flour for baking into small sweet cakes, or stored for

future use.

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Deanna

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Hi Heidi,

Thanks for this great site, so I can order tea a tree. I had some

others also, but this one gave another link to help me hopefully with

my skin troubles. God Bless You.http://www.morgellons.org/casedef.html

Audrey

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> I can't say for cactus, and I'm not diabetic, but I do

> track my blood sugar, and neem leaves help a lot

> too. Neem will grow nicely in a warm climate ... it

> grows nicely here, indoors. www.neemtreefarms.com has

> the small trees, and you can buy the raw leaves in bulk too.

> They freeze well, then you make tea out of them. Until

> your tree gets big enough to harvest them ...

>

> -- Heidi

>

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Audrey wrote:

>

> Hi Heidi,

> Thanks for this great site, so I can order tea a tree. I had some

> others also, but this one gave another link to help me hopefully with

> my skin troubles. God Bless You.http://www.morgellons.org/casedef.html

> Audrey

I think the link was for neem trees? I like tea tree oil too, but

I didn't know you could get them there.

(I think we are talking about www.neemtreefarms.com?).

I did try their skin ointment: it works amazingly well: you have

to keep it in the fridge though.

Also their " dry pet shampoo " ... which is amazing. The wet

spray is too. Either one deodorizes dogs nicely and are

easy to use, and seem to get rid of itching problems.

Dogs just don't like baths, and my kids don't like

to bathe them: so this is really nice to have. My dd tried

the dry shampoo on a muddy paw, and was amazed that

all the dirt came off and the paw was all nice and shiny.

If the dog ingests the neem bark, it kills parasites, so

that's a plus too. Neem bark seems amazingly antibacterial:

it keeps my mouth " clean " for like 2 days after I use it.

My own skin problems are mainly from gluten: esp.

beer, for some reason (barley malt), which is why I

make my own beer! The " crawling sensations " they

mention in Morgellen's syndrome are pretty much

what I get ... it feels like little bugs crawling on your

skin but you can't see them. I always assumed they

were baby flea larva and it was from the cat, and

everyone else thought it was really weird that

the fleas would only bite ME. I got these little teeny

blisters too, that itched like mad, which I figured were

flea bites.

-- Heidi

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