Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

November 11, 2008

Because she hasn't experienced it and therefore it doesn't exist in her

world.

She doesn't care that people like me are severely allergic to iodine and

almost died when I have tried it as a test dose. In her world because she

has not seen it or experienced it- it doesn't exist! LOL

Nancie

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I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:27 am (PST)

>

> Rick

> you have got to try Iodoral 50--100mg plus ATP cofactors and companion

> nutrients. it's really good stuff.

> http://www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

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> Gracia

November 11, 2008

it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the dose, and I

will try to explain it to you.

gracia

It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

medicine!

Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they may die

Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

Nancie

-- Re: Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

b/c it isn't true. it's total myth you actually endorse a belief system not

science.

Gracia

I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

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November 11, 2008

Look gracia, I don't need an explanation from YOU of all people! ROTFLMAO.

I know what happened to be was an anaphylactic reaction.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But, pity the person who may have

an undiagnosed iodine allergy and listens to you and then dies from your

massive dose recommendation. It will happen, gracia. The odds are there. I

would suggest getting a good defense attorney now so you will have one to

call .

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November 11, 2008

I actually have a file for the really bizarre and rude posts you write to

me!!!! I think they will be very amusing someday.

why don't you explain all this to the iodine group?

Gracia

Look gracia, I don't need an explanation from YOU of all people! ROTFLMAO.

I know what happened to be was an anaphylactic reaction.

Go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But, pity the person who may have

an undiagnosed iodine allergy and listens to you and then dies from your

massive dose recommendation. It will happen, gracia. The odds are there. I

would suggest getting a good defense attorney now so you will have one to

call .

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November 11, 2008

And I have mine, gracia. Talk about BIZZARE! Your take the cake! I have all

those posts that clearly show that you are practicing medicine without a

license- that is considered illegal, gracia in every state of the country. I

wonder what your bosses would say.....

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You know gracia I would be more civil to you if you weren't such an ass in

your thinking that you know better that everyone else!! You don't know me or

my individual body and how dare you tell me what is or is not happening with

my body- you are very pretentious and that will get you in trouble someday.

You are not a medical provider and it is clear that you do not have the

knowledge to understand that everyone is different and not an identical twin

to yourself.

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November 13, 2008

That is an emphatically incorrect response. I am in fact quoting the

same specific SCIENTIFIC facts that Chuck has repeatedly quoted to you.

Did you not read or understand the literature Chuck quoted??? That

happens to be SCIENCE.

Do you even know the difference between " science " and an unsupported

" belief system " such as a myth???

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>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

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> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:17 am (PST)

>

> b/c it isn't true. it's total myth you actually endorse a belief

> system not science.

> Gracia

>

> I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

> has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

>

November 13, 2008

You have posted that numerous times. Chuck has posted the results of

scientific papers which demonstrate that such a reaction occurs in some

people such as you found in credible peer reviewed literature. Yet to

Gracia these remain not scientific facts, but " an unscientific belief

system " .

The scientific method certainly demonstrates a world view [contrary to

what Gracia believes]; how much it is a " belief system " is debatable.

Inasmuch as it is a belief system it is rather ludicrous to call it an

unscientific system. It is specifically a _scientific_ belief system.

Whether that is desirable is completely beside the point. In this

specific discussion whether depending upon scientifically conducted

research constitutes science is what Gracia denies.

..

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

>

<mailto:deifspirit@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hyp\

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:01 pm (PST)

>

> Because she hasn't experienced it and therefore it doesn't exist in her

> world.

> She doesn't care that people like me are severely allergic to iodine and

> almost died when I have tried it as a test dose. In her world because she

> has not seen it or experienced it- it doesn't exist! LOL

> Nancie

>

> -- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

>

> I just don't understand how you can recommend something to someone that

> has a small but none zero probability of side effects... such as death.

>

> .

November 13, 2008

Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

been using.

Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

research.

I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

there?

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>

> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

> gracia

>

> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

> medicine!

> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

> may die

> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

> Nancie

November 13, 2008

Nancie reports that she had an anaphylactic reaction from an iodine dose

that came close to killing her and it was confirmed by her doctor. You

deny that such a thing occurred, although such reactions are confirmed

by credible scientific research. Aren't you calling both her and her

doctor liars? Do you consider that rude??? Do you consider any post

[such as this one] that contradicts opinions that you or Brownstein et

al. hold to be rude?

FAIK iodine may work for you [and some others] MOL exactly as you

believe it does [although I harbor doubts]. That still doesn't change

Nancie's experience, or the scientific research that demonstrates the

danger to _some_ people who take the dose you do.

Let me pose a hypothetical case [that I'm afraid may become fact]: A

person goes into anaphylactic shock and dies. An investigation shows

that the patient took 50 or 100 mg of iodine immediately before the

onset of symptoms. It further shows that someone on the internet

strongly recommended that she/he take a dose of iodine that is over

6500% of the RDA of iodine. The doctors conclude that she died of an

anaphylactic shock brought on by a large dose of iodine. Do you think

the person recommending the megadose should/would feel any remorse???

..

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:32 pm (PST)

>

> I actually have a file for the really bizarre and rude posts you write

> to me!!!! I think they will be very amusing someday.

> why don't you explain all this to the iodine group?

> Gracia

November 13, 2008

While I emphatically understand the frustration of trying to communicate

with Gracia I would like to respectfully object to name calling. We

cannot ask Ira to do more than he does already, so we need to moderate

ourselves.

I probably disagree with Gracia more than about anybody here, but I

think she basically means well.

We all have a world view, and that world view dictates how we determine

what constitutes well supported physical facts. It appears that nothing

in science registers with Gracia as being well supported; or anything

that contradicts Brownstein et al. So I suspect I'll go on being

frustrated...

..

> I would be more civil to you if you weren't such an @$$ in

> your thinking that you know better that everyone else!!

November 13, 2008

In my opinion, the term " myth " is being misused. Myths are the

equivalent of " false " . Myths can be very valuable as a means of

transmitting universal truth (not literal story truth) from generation

to generation.

Religious fundamentalism is more the style here where one selects a

" position " and ignores all other views regardless. One " position " in

this case is that allopathic is truth and all others are snake oil

salesmen, or vice-versa. Both positions I think are irrational and

polarizing.

From what I've been able to see with respect to what people are taking

and what they report, mega doses of Iodine isn't all that unsafe and has

some benefits. On the other hand, the literature is clear that some

preparations of Iodine cause allergic reactions in some people so

caution may be called for.

On the other hand, I don't know how many people eat peanuts and/or

peanut products for the first time with caution but if they get a

reaction, they no doubt are more careful if they have a next time.

steve

wrote:

> Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

> educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

> been using.

>

> Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

> to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

> allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

> practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

> predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

> research.

>

> I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

> Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

> scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

> creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

> the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

> there?

>

> .

>

>> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

>>

<mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hy\

pothyroidism>

>> graciabee <graciabee>

>>

>> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>>

>> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

>> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

>> gracia

>>

>> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

>> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

>> medicine!

>> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

>> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

>> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

>> may die

>> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

>> Nancie

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November 13, 2008

The thing that is skewed is that Armour is made by allopathic physicians and

scientists and yet she takes it.

Rather a big contradiction isn't it?

-- Re: Mineral deficiencies and hypothyroidism

Perhaps we just need you to define " myth " ??? For the intelligent and

educated population it is MOL the exact opposite of the meaning you have

been using.

Gracia, you hold allopathic medical practitioners in contempt and tend

to revere none-allopathic practitioners; or perhaps none-standard

allopathic practitioners such as Brownstein et al. Nancie's holistic

practitioner concludes that iodine almost killed her; _exactly_ as

predicted for a small percentage of patients by credible scientific

research.

I started to ask you why, but I think I've figured it out. Brownstein,

Flechas and Abraham are your religious idols; and they disagree with

scientific facts and Nancie's holistic doctor. Is that it? Every

creation myth/religion holds that its specific beliefs and prophets are

the work of God and all others are the work of the devil. Any validity

there?

..

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@fairpoint

net?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Mineral%20deficiencies%20and%20hypothyroidism>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:54 pm (PST)

>

> it is a total myth. please tell me what you actually took and the

> dose, and I will try to explain it to you.

> gracia

>

> It is NOT a myth. I almost died from taking a test dose. Even my natural

> medicine provider agrees with me and she does NOT practice allopathic

> medicine!

> Go ahead and stick you head in the sand, but just remember to be careful

> about " prescribing " iodine because the next person you convince to take

> massive doses- just might be an undiagnosed iodine allergic and they

> may die

> Think about how you would feel knowing that you killed someone.

> Nancie

November 13, 2008

My natural medicine physician was in the room. So , In her hallucination,

she called 911 and had to get the crash cart. LOL