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i think you might be confused. Brownstein is just one of the docs who uses

Iodoral---he uses it b/c that is what there is. it was developed to be a

convenient way to take Lugols in pill form. Alternative or holistic docs use

vitamins and minerals as medicines.

have you looked at his website? he also writes books.

http://www.drbrownstein.com

Gracia

Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us

even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence

to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And

I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I

understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes

professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed

out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it

does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or

anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care.

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Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral

part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women.

And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an

iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and

then report on results?

Sam

>

> Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of

us

> even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more

evidence

> to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory.

And

> I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus,

as I

> understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and

writes

> professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be

laughed

> out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

>

> That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but

it

> does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on

me or

> anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent

medical care.

>

>

>

=====

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

20iodine>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > oops your ignorance is showing.

> > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

> > gracia

> >

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A. I agree that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions. Iodine

supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to

pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not

autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid

function better

These are the words of Dr. Brownstein from his webpage. He acknowledges and

agrees that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions, but can be good

for other types.

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral

part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women.

And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an

iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and

then report on results?

Sam

>

> Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of

us

> even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more

evidence

> to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory.

And

> I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus,

as I

> understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and

writes

> professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be

laughed

> out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

>

> That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but

it

> does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on

me or

> anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent

medical care.

>

>

>

=====

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> > <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

20iodine>

> > graciabee <graciabee>

> >

> >

> > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> > oops your ignorance is showing.

> > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

> > gracia

> >

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Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet?

Sam :)

> >

> > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of

> us

> > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more

> evidence

> > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth

theory.

> And

> > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering.

Plus,

> as I

> > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and

> writes

> > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be

> laughed

> > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

> >

> > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc;

but

> it

> > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on

> me or

> > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent

> medical care.

> >

> >

> >

> =====

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@

> > > <mailto:circe@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> 20iodine>

> > > graciabee <graciabee>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > > oops your ignorance is showing.

> > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

> > > gracia

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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this is not from his webpage--this is from Shomon's site and is something

he wrote a long time ago. I don't think he believes this now, since he uses

Iodoral for all his patients! meanwhile, even Shomon is working with him,

and we are all waiting for her to write about it.

Gracia

A. I agree that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions. Iodine

supplementation in those that have an autoimmune thyroid problem can be akin to

pouring gas over a fire. However, with hypothyroid conditions that are not

autoimmune in nature, iodine-containing foods can actually help the thyroid

function better

These are the words of Dr. Brownstein from his webpage. He acknowledges and

agrees that iodine can aggravate autoimmune thyroid conditions, but can be good

for other types.

Roni

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Gale? Has he had aldosterone/renin tested yet? How about magnesium,

potasium, and sodium along with?

If his adrenals are that bad and with a-fib, that might be

something to seriously consider testing. I was also on 7.5mg Delta,

by the way...

Sam

(thyroidless sine 1990)

> >

> >

> > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour

> very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when

> adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

> > Gracia

> >

> >

> > Roni,

> >

> > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also

on

> HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

> Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

> >

> > Gale

> >

> >

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very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed 5mg (7.5) 4X

a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose iodine helps everything.

Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones too.

Gracia

Gale? Has he had aldosterone/renin tested yet? How about magnesium,

potasium, and sodium along with?

If his adrenals are that bad and with a-fib, that might be

something to seriously consider testing. I was also on 7.5mg Delta,

by the way...

Sam

(thyroidless sine 1990)

> >

> >

> > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour

> very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when

> adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

> > Gracia

> >

> >

> > Roni,

> >

> > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also

on

> HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

> Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

> >

> > Gale

> >

> >

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Thanks Sam,

If I can find a lab ( & the money) to test aldosterone & renin that

will be our next step. His sodium has always been low, the last test

it was under the bottom of the range. Potassium was low in range. I

do not think that magnesium has been tested but he is on 800mg of mag

for constipation that started last summer when he quit smoking &

became hypo.

I remembered that you were on Delta from last year. He tried Cortef

but it was hopeless, he could not remember the 4 doses & I was about

ready to k*** him. His BP has been even more elevated since starting

HC. I worry about that.

Gale

> > >

> > >

> > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour

> > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when

> > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >

> > > Roni,

> > >

> > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also

> on

> > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

> > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

> > >

> > > Gale

> > >

> > >

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Gracia,

He cannot remember to take the Cortef, that is why he switched to

Delta. On his saliva test it showed his testosterone was high in

range but estrogen & progesterone were way over range. He is taking

DIM to try to bring the estrogen down. It is my understanding that

elevated estrogen is very typical with AF.

Gale

>

>

> very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed

5mg (7.5) 4X a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose

iodine helps everything. Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones

too.

> Gracia

>

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No, I have not. Why do you ask?

Roni

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet?

Sam :)

> >

> > Well, we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of

> us

> > even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more

> evidence

> > to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth

theory.

> And

> > I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering.

Plus,

> as I

> > understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and

> writes

> > professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be

> laughed

> > out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

> >

> > That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc;

but

> it

> > does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on

> me or

> > anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent

> medical care.

> >

> >

> >

> =====

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > > Posted by: " Gracia " circe@

> > > <mailto:circe@?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

> 20iodine>

> > > graciabee <graciabee>

> > >

> > >

> > > Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > > oops your ignorance is showing.

> > > we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

> > > gracia

> > >

>

>

>

>

>

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Gracia, he should be taking magnesium 500mgs, potassium 99mgs, furosemide 20mgs,

Hawthorn 500mgs 3xd and nattokinase 2000 units 3xday. These were all suggested

by

my cardio when we realized that I couldn't take the drugs.

Roni

Gale <nsndallas@...> wrote:

Gracia,

His adrenals tested very BAD. He is on 7.5 Delta & 4 gr of Armour at

this time. On 3,1/2 gr of Armour his Saliva test showed his T4 below

range, this was pre Delta. His DHEA was at the top of range as he had

been supplementing DHEA for a while.

We really cannot see any improvment yet & he recently had another

episode of A-Fib, about 2 weeks after starting the Delta. For now at

least we just have to take it slow & easy. He is still very hypo though.

Gale

>

>

> if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough Armour

very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely when

adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone too.

> Gracia

>

>

> Roni,

>

> My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is also on

HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly increasing the

Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

>

> Gale

>

>

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,

It seems that you feel strongly about this, and have made your feelings

known in your other posts about the " scientific method " .

For many years I went to allopathic medicine doctors exclusively, but they

really failed me horribly in the last few years. That's when I turned to try

to get some relief and opened my mind. I have had much better results with

osteopathic and other types of doctors. This despite I was strongly biased

against these types originally. I was pretty surprised.

I say...whatever works. Whatever gets relief NOW...I can't wait 30 years for

the scientific method and closed blind studies to prove things like iodine,

Armour, HRT, etc work.

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of and Irwin

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:44 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: TSH test and iodine

No Comment.

<res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: Well,

we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us

even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence

to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And

I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I

understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes

professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed

out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it

does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or

anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care.

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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<hypothyroidism/message/34934;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZTh

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

> <mailto:circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> graciabee <graciabee

<graciabee> >

>

>

> Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:25 pm (PST)

>

>

> oops your ignorance is showing.

> we should all be so lucky to have Brownstein for a doc.

> gracia

>

> Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

> if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

>

> But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

> somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

> accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

> to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

> the scientific method.

>

> As always, IMHO.

>

>

>

> PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

> he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions "

> ! [ggg]

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Absolutely agreed Roni, doctors are human and vary.

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:45 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: TSH test and iodine

No, but each doctor and each situation has to be taken case by case, and

what

will work for one won't for another. Sometimes, allopathic medicine is

needed, and

sometimes holistic medicine is needed. It's not that one is good and one

bad, it's

that they ALL need to be more flexible and work with each other for the

benefit of the

paitient, instead of for the benefit of promoting their own ajenda.

Roni

neil <neilneil@roadrunner <mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com> .com> wrote:

There are many patients that have tried " regular " doctors....sometimes for

years with poor results.

If the patients get good results, who's to argue? Brownstein is so booked up

he is not accepting patients at this time.

My personal doctor has degrees in neurology, behavioral neurology,

endocrinology, immunology, and nutrition...he has me taking Lugol's (wrote a

prescription for it and I got it filled at a compounding pharmacy), Armour,

vitamin C, B-100, and a few others along those lines.

So my doctor is a crock too?

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

[mailto:hypothyroidism@

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:01 PM

hypothyroidism@ <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

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Okay; I'll try to just call them " salesmen " or something else harmless,

if it will make you feel better. Just for you! [ggg]

But truthfully, my respect for people like Brownstein [or whatever] is

somewhere below the toilet. Their professional reputations would be

accurately described by the word I used. They're truly an embarrassment

to others who hold PhD's. Their practices are the total antithesis of

the scientific method.

As always, IMHO.

PS: No, I'm not a scientist. AFAIK Chuck is the only one here. And

he's smart enough to stay out of lose-lose types of " discussions " ! [ggg]

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org> org

> <mailto:k9gangopenaccess (DOT) <mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org>

org?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%20iodine>

> stealthwind <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

<stealthwind> /stealthwind>

/stealthwind>

>

>

> Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm (PST)

>

> More than personal experience, .

>

> It makes me very uncomfortable when you, and like, call the

> researchers shills. Would you please not do that?

>

> Sam

>

>

> >

> > That should be interesting; but really only if it's peer reviewed.

> If

> > it's the iodine docs " researching " the product they shill for it's

> of no

> > real interest to a scientist. Keep us informed...

> >

> > BTW, I rather suspect that you may have reference to personal

> > experience, which is not a controlled study. If that's the case it

> may

> > have monumental personal value; but zilch in professional circles.

> I

> > know you don't understand or accept that; but it's the simple truth.

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: TSH test and iodine

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20TSH%20test%20and%

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> > > stealthwind <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

<stealthwind> /stealthwind>

/stealthwind

> <http://profiles. <http://profiles.

<stealthwind> /stealthwind>

/stealthwind>>

> > >

> > >

> > > Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:08 am (PST)

> > >

> > > Mmmm, there is a controlled study going on...it's

> > > not falling flat on it's face.

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'cause there's some realllllly good stuff in there...

Sam :)

> Have you read the new 3rd edition of his iodine book yet?

>

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Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles written

by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham. Weren't

these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers all

published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]?

I see they're all three mentioned here:

http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm

And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very

first name is Hulda .

ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group

containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good

physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question; and

which I suspect is of little interest to many here.

Right now I don't have the articles handy.

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST)

>

> Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral

> part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women.

> And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an

> iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and

> then report on results?

>

> Sam

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I have absolutely nothing against natural healing methods, and use them myself.

The

thing I take issue with is that, just as I refused the toxic medications

prescribed for

my atrial fibrillation because I have a tendency to become allergic, and am

absolutely

unable to use certain drugs that could really help me at times, I don't feel

that just

because something is termed " natural " that it is automatically good for

everyone.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles written

by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham. Weren't

these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers all

published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]?

I see they're all three mentioned here:

http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm

And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very

first name is Hulda .

ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group

containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good

physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question; and

which I suspect is of little interest to many here.

Right now I don't have the articles handy.

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

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>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST)

>

> Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an integral

> part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine salesmen/women.

> And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an

> iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and

> then report on results?

>

> Sam

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iodine would really help IMO.

gracia

Gracia,

He cannot remember to take the Cortef, that is why he switched to

Delta. On his saliva test it showed his testosterone was high in

range but estrogen & progesterone were way over range. He is taking

DIM to try to bring the estrogen down. It is my understanding that

elevated estrogen is very typical with AF.

Gale

>

>

> very interesting! I wonder if he would do better on cortef dosed

5mg (7.5) 4X a day. He might also need testosterone and high dose

iodine helps everything. Low adrenals usually means low sex hormones

too.

> Gracia

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That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly.

BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health.com ?

What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine,

Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ?

Sam :-O

>

> Unless I'm mistaken I've come across a few papers and articles

written

> by [i think] Brownstein and Flechas [sp?] as well as Abraham.

Weren't

> these three involved in The Iodine Project? Aren't their papers

all

> published in " The Original Internist " [or similar]?

>

> I see they're all three mentioned here:

>

> http://iodine4health.com/ortho/ortho.htm

>

> And when they get to the list of " Clinicians Using Iodine " the very

> first name is Hulda .

>

> ly, I would not put Brownstein, Abraham, or Flechas in a group

> containing H. . AFAIK they may all [NOT ] be good

> physicians. It is their scientific credibility that I question;

and

> which I suspect is of little interest to many here.

>

> Right now I don't have the articles handy.

>

>

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> >

> >

> > Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:45 am (PST)

> >

> > Hmmm, you are implying Dr Brownstein et al sell iodine as an

integral

> > part of commercial activities, by calling them iodine

salesmen/women.

> > And how do you know this is true? Simply because they use an

> > iodine/iodide supplement when treating some types of patients and

> > then report on results?

> >

> > Sam

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Can you make him eat 1 or 2 bananas per day? And maybe 1/2 tsp Celtic

sea salt (it's about $3-$5 per pint jar) and a glass of water a

couple of times a day as well? You might have to sit on him and pour

all that down him, tho. That stuff might help him a wee bit.

I know soooo many people who have stopped smoking and then get hypO

symptoms. There's a gal I talk to online from Vancouver that said to

me she would almost quit smoking but will always have one or 2 per

day so she won't go hypO. I find that interesting that quitting

smoking may also be hazardous to our health. I smoke a couple of

little girly ceegars a day (sometimes less, sometimes more), but

don't inhale per se. I haven't inhaled anything legal since the " corn

silk " incident back when I was a 'tween.... :D

Sam :-)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > if he is on enough HC and DHEA, then he can get to enough

Armour

> > > very quickly. no need to suffer. A-fib goes away completely

when

> > > adrenals are properly treated. he probly needs testosterone

too.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Roni,

> > > >

> > > > My hubby had his first episode of AFib last summer. He is

also

> > on

> > > HC & Armour but still very hypo. We are verrry slowly

increasing the

> > > Armour. What supplements did your Dr recommend?

> > > >

> > > > Gale

> > > >

> > > >

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If what you're doing isn't working the the only intelligent response is

to try something else. You're an individual, and as such whatever works

for the majority may or may not work for you. Often a medicine that

shows improvement in 2/3 or test cases is considered a " good " medicine.

But probably not by the 1/3 who get no benefit from it. At the same

time [and in the same test] as many as 1/3 of subjects will report

improvement if given nothing but a placebo.

I strongly believe in the scientific method. I highly value its

contribution to our lives and culture. That does not mean I'm blind to

it's many limitations. A doctor is highly educated in the science of

medicine; but ultimately the PRACTICE of medicine is often as much art

as it is science. Maybe more so, in many cases. A doctor will use

statistics in choosing a course of treatment; but if a doctor finds

himself treating a statistic then he's missed the boat.

Medical science is sometimes a matter of numbers and statistics; and

none of us is either. It doesn't mean much to a person in the unlucky

5% or 10% who don't get total relief from hypothyroidism from taking

Synthroid that it is effective in more than 90% of cases. But that

unlucky person shouldn't be blinded to the benefit that the majority

receive.

If a person receives the desired result with Synthroid then there is

little incentive to search out a site such as this and learn of other

methods with which hypothyroidism may be treated. So this list tends to

self select for those who do not do well on Synthroid. Chuck and I seem

to be the only vocal ones; while many here prefer Armour. Or iodine, as

well as other supplements.

Basically, you need to do whatever works for you; but your probability

for success is limited if you don't understand the underlying causes and

possible cures of the problem. And it's completely possible that

whatever works for you may be directly opposed to the scientific

statistics of the majority.

That being said, there are just some things out there that cannot have

the physiological effect claimed; and so can never have a result other

than the placebo effect.

>

> Re: TSH test and iodine

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> Posted by: " neil " neilneil@...

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> onewaypockets <onewaypockets>

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>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:15 pm (PST)

>

> ,

>

> It seems that you feel strongly about this, and have made your feelings

> known in your other posts about the " scientific method " .

>

> For many years I went to allopathic medicine doctors exclusively, but they

> really failed me horribly in the last few years. That's when I turned

> to try

> to get some relief and opened my mind. I have had much better results with

> osteopathic and other types of doctors. This despite I was strongly biased

> against these types originally. I was pretty surprised.

>

> I say...whatever works. Whatever gets relief NOW...I can't wait 30

> years for

> the scientific method and closed blind studies to prove things like

> iodine,

> Armour, HRT, etc work.

>

> Neil

>

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> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>]

> On Behalf Of and Irwin

> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:44 AM

> hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: TSH test and iodine

>

> No Comment.

>

> <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: Well,

> we all have our share of ignorance, don't we? [ggg] Some of us

> even thing human life began about 6000 years ago; despite more evidence

> to the contrary than there is to contradict the flat earth theory. And

> I have reference to Dr. Brownstein, in case you're wondering. Plus, as I

> understand it he is a, er, " salesman " for an iodine group, and writes

> professional sounding papers on the use of iodine that would be laughed

> out of any professional peer reviewed board in existence.

>

> That doesn't necessarily mean he would not be an effective doc; but it

> does mean he sure as h*ll would never get a chance to practice on me or

> anyone for whom it was my responsibility to choose competent medical care.

>

>

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Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a con

artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading anything

they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed; but

if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names

associated with 's.

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST)

>

> That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly.

>

> BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health.

> com ?

> What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine,

> Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ?

>

> Sam :-O

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So, no you didn't read the article, then. That's too bad, .

It was an interesting slant on the use of inorganic iodine.

You don't know anything about Dr Derry, Dr of

the Tahoma Clinic in Seattle, or even Dr Howenstine (national

Institute of Health)? Probably don't even know a thing about Dr

W from the University of Washington School of medicine,

I bet. That's to bad, .

Sam

>

> Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a

con

> artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading

anything

> they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed;

but

> if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names

> associated with 's.

>

>

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> >

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> >

> > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST)

> >

> > That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly.

> >

> > BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health.

> > com ?

> > What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine,

> > Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ?

> >

> > Sam :-O

>

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Here is the Dr. site:

http://downloads.truthpublishing.com/Dr.pdf

Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

So, no you didn't read the article, then. That's too bad, .

It was an interesting slant on the use of inorganic iodine.

You don't know anything about Dr Derry, Dr of

the Tahoma Clinic in Seattle, or even Dr Howenstine (national

Institute of Health)? Probably don't even know a thing about Dr

W from the University of Washington School of medicine,

I bet. That's to bad, .

Sam

>

> Once I have what I consider absolute proof that someone is either a

con

> artist or a mental case I have no further interest in reading

anything

> they write. I don't know anything about the other parties listed;

but

> if they are reputable then they probably resent having their names

> associated with 's.

>

>

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> >

> > Re: TSH test and iodine

> >

> > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> > Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:58 pm (PST)

> >

> > That's your reasoning, eh, ? That's pretty silly.

> >

> > BTW, 'did' you read Hulda 's article at www.iodine4health.

> > com ?

> > What about the credibility of Derry, Howenstine,

> > Shevin, Albert Szent-Gyorgi, and ?

> >

> > Sam :-O

>

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