Guest guest Posted January 8, 2002 Report Share Posted January 8, 2002 Debby, I do not know of any literature to recommend at this time. I will see if I can find anything. Please understand that I started in dentistry 29 years ago and was licensed in 1978. I took early retirement due to several factors with the primary reason being my health. I continue to attend meetings and take continued education courses to keep my license current. Most of my knowledge is recall ( & that is often difficult) from school or practice. I have not practiced since 1996. There have been many advances since then. However, you have picqued my interest to seek more information on the connection between the celiac sprue and enamal erosion. With enamel being the hardest substance in the body, the acidity in the oral cavity has to be very high to cause widespread erosion. I do not know of any connection between autoimmune disease and enamel erosion. I have so many autoimmune problems, that if there was a connection, I most likely would have had enamel erosion myself. Of course, there are so many variables with the human body, that what applies to one of us may not apply to another. Not to mention that there are so many unknowns. Most people do not like to accept the fact that medicine ( & dentistry) is not an exact science because of the variables and the unknowns. I have some old medical books from my husband's family. Many date back to late 1890's and it is abbsolutely amazing to read them and see what they had printed. Much of what was written about the body and diseases has since been proven to be different. Anyway, you can see what I mean about there being possibilities that are unknown. If I find any info, I will let you know. Take care. Carol > > From: " Tex Pueschel " <tdcc2000@...> > Date: 2002/01/07 Mon PM 09:31:03 EST > < > > Subject: Re: [ ] terminology > > Carol, maybe you can point me in the right direction for a few of us who have Celiac Sprue and AIH. And this is a dentistry question. > > I know that celiac sprue in children causes tooth enamel problems, and much, if not all of the literature of celiac and enamel are only written for pediatric dentists. > > HOWEVER, I am wondering if you know of any articles, books, etc which I could show my dentist to help him understand the enamel erosion that I have. It is my belief (from what research I have been able to uncover), that my tooth problems are rooted in the undiagnosed celiac sprue for the last 23 years. I am also beginning to wonder if Autoimmune problems also can affect the enamel. > > Do you have any suggestions? > > Thanks...debby > Re: [ ] terminology > > > In a message dated 1/6/02 8:44:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, pcmcobb@... writes: > > > > my area of expertise is dentistry.(I no longer practice but... I should be able to have some suggestions about TMJ. ) I missed the original post and saw your recommendation. I do know that TMJ syndrome can be exacerbated by sleeping on your side. That side of your face often suffers because of that. One thing that would help to lessen the problem is for the sufferer to sleep on his/her back. I will see what else I can uncover in all of my books packed in the basement. Carol > > > Carol, so I'm not imagining it! Thank you for writing; I really appreciate it. My dentist had said I probably ground my teeth in my sleep, although I've never noticed it, nor has my husband. I have suspected, privately, that sleeping with my face jammed unevenly against a pillow was a factor. Also, I have a habit of propping my chin on my hand when I think. Lately, that seems to make the TMJ worse. I suddenly developed the TMJ problem in September. My GP told me to take 24 Motrin tablets a day for three weeks. My dentist begged me not to, to try to just wait it out and rest my jaw as much as possible. I quit Motrin after taking three tablets. The TMJ is much better, much less painful now. Incidentally, Carol, my jaw has clicked ever since early childhood -- quite loudly when I was very young, less so now. Again, thanks for writing. How long have you had AIH and " brain fog " ? Are you taking very much Prednisone? I began in May 2000 at 80 mg/d and had considerable problems with memory, with math and spelling, and with making quick, good decisions. In the past month or two, I think my mind is working fairly well again. I've been down to 5 mg/d for several months. > Harper > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Carol, thank you for answering my question. I have only a few articles. Ainne, L; Dental enamel defects and dental maturity in children and adolescents with coeliac disease. Proceedings of the Finnish Dental Society, 82 (Suppl3) pges 1-71, 1986 Aine, I., Maki, M., Collin, P., and Keyrilainen,O.; Dental enamel defects in celiac disease, Journal of Oral Pathology and Medicine. Vol 19 pages 241-245, 1990 Aine, L. Reunala, T., and Maki, M.; Dental enamel defects in children with dermatitis herpetiformis. Journal of Pediatrics. Vol 118, pags 572-574, 1991 Aine, L., Maki, M., and Reunala, T.; Coeliac-type dental enamel defects in patients with dermatitis herpetiformis. Acta Derm Venereol (Stockh). Vol 72 pgs 25-27 These are the 4 articles that I have no idea where to find them. I will give this info to my dentist too and maybe he can find them. I have dermatitis herpetiformis too. So, that is why I am thinking there could be some connection to my dental problems. It makes sense to me that with the acidity levels would cause decay. My paternal side of the family has poor teeth. Thanks again for your input! debby Re: [ ] terminology> > > In a message dated 1/6/02 8:44:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, pcmcobb@... writes: > > > > my area of expertise is dentistry.(I no longer practice but... I should be able to have some suggestions about TMJ. ) I missed the original post and saw your recommendation. I do know that TMJ syndrome can be exacerbated by sleeping on your side. That side of your face often suffers because of that. One thing that would help to lessen the problem is for the sufferer to sleep on his/her back. I will see what else I can uncover in all of my books packed in the basement. Carol> > > Carol, so I'm not imagining it! Thank you for writing; I really appreciate it. My dentist had said I probably ground my teeth in my sleep, although I've never noticed it, nor has my husband. I have suspected, privately, that sleeping with my face jammed unevenly against a pillow was a factor. Also, I have a habit of propping my chin on my hand when I think. Lately, that seems to make the TMJ worse. I suddenly developed the TMJ problem in September. My GP told me to take 24 Motrin tablets a day for three weeks. My dentist begged me not to, to try to just wait it out and rest my jaw as much as possible. I quit Motrin after taking three tablets. The TMJ is much better, much less painful now. Incidentally, Carol, my jaw has clicked ever since early childhood -- quite loudly when I was very young, less so now. Again, thanks for writing. How long have you had AIH and "brain fog"? Are you taking very much Prednisone? I began in May 2000 at 80 mg/d and had considerable problems with memory, with math and spelling, and with making quick, good decisions. In the past month or two, I think my mind is working fairly well again. I've been down to 5 mg/d for several months. > Harper > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2002 Report Share Posted January 9, 2002 Carol, no, I never did vomit at all. THat is ONE thing that grosses me out more than anything. I would have some pretty bad stomach acid that would come up...that could be the problem too. That is very interesting that vomiting can cause bad teeth. Gosh, these groups are wonderful because you learn new things every day! debby [ ] To Debby Debby, When you referred to getting sick after consuming gluten laden foods, that is very likely the reason you have enamel erosion. If you meant that you regurgitated what you had eaten. Vomitus is extremely acidic. That is why one of the symptoms of bulemia is enamel erosion. Many cases of closet bulemia have been "owned up to" in the dental office. Take care, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 Debby, Severe acid reflux could have contributed to the problem. I have seen blisters form in the oral cavity and throat from extreme acid reflux. By the way, do you consume cokes or other soft drinks on a regular basis? That is one of the worst things you can do to keep the acid level in your mouth elevated. Just a thought. Take care. Carol > > From: " Tex Pueschel " <tdcc2000@...> > Date: 2002/01/09 Wed AM 09:15:57 EST > < > > Subject: Re: [ ] To Debby > > Carol, no, I never did vomit at all. THat is ONE thing that grosses me out more than anything. I would have some pretty bad stomach acid that would come up...that could be the problem too. That is very interesting that vomiting can cause bad teeth. Gosh, these groups are wonderful because you learn new things every day! > debby > [ ] To Debby > > > Debby, When you referred to getting sick after consuming gluten laden foods, that is very likely the reason you have enamel erosion. If you meant that you regurgitated what you had eaten. Vomitus is extremely acidic. That is why one of the symptoms of bulemia is enamel erosion. Many cases of closet bulemia have been " owned up to " in the dental office. Take care, Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2002 Report Share Posted January 11, 2002 In a message dated 1/11/02 8:36:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, tdcc2000@... writes: EEEWWWW Yuck! How disgusting! All I have had is kids throw up NEAR me! Just the smell of it and I have to run to the bathroom....get really sick at the smell....could not even take care of my kids when they were sick! debby I've always assumed that this revulsion is an evolutionary development to keep us away from contagion and bad food. But, really, it's just partially processed food -- we ought to be able to overcome the disgust. It is hard, though, at least for us non-medical professionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Interesting Carol. Where I used to drink several sodas per day, I am lucky if I have one or two every week or so! That could be the problem too.....so many things to think about! I appreciate your input! debby [ ] To Debby> > > Debby, When you referred to getting sick after consuming gluten laden foods, that is very likely the reason you have enamel erosion. If you meant that you regurgitated what you had eaten. Vomitus is extremely acidic. That is why one of the symptoms of bulemia is enamel erosion. Many cases of closet bulemia have been "owned up to" in the dental office. Take care, Carol> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 Just imagine having a patient vomit on you! Talk about gross! Unfortunately, that is something I have experienced more than I like to think. Carol > > From: " Tex Pueschel " <tdcc2000@...> > Date: 2002/01/11 Fri PM 09:54:09 EST > < > > Subject: Re: Re: [ ] To Debby > > Interesting Carol. Where I used to drink several sodas per day, I am lucky if I have one or two every week or so! That could be the problem too.....so many things to think about! I appreciate your input! > debby > [ ] To Debby > > > > > > Debby, When you referred to getting sick after consuming gluten laden foods, that is very likely the reason you have enamel erosion. If you meant that you regurgitated what you had eaten. Vomitus is extremely acidic. That is why one of the symptoms of bulemia is enamel erosion. Many cases of closet bulemia have been " owned up to " in the dental office. Take care, Carol > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2002 Report Share Posted January 12, 2002 EEEWWWW Yuck! How disgusting! All I have had is kids throw up NEAR me! Just the smell of it and I have to run to the bathroom....get really sick at the smell....could not even take care of my kids when they were sick! debby [ ] To Debby> > > > > > Debby, When you referred to getting sick after consuming gluten laden foods, that is very likely the reason you have enamel erosion. If you meant that you regurgitated what you had eaten. Vomitus is extremely acidic. That is why one of the symptoms of bulemia is enamel erosion. Many cases of closet bulemia have been "owned up to" in the dental office. Take care, Carol> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 Debby, I'm so sorry to hear of your mother's illness. Harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2003 Report Share Posted June 22, 2003 Thank you Marty and the rest of you who responded.....I HATE this feeling and tomorrow, even though my GI is not in her office until Wed, I am going to put a call into her nurse and see if there is a way to see her this week. No, this is not normal...to be so sick at my stomach must cannot be normal. Tonight, I even broke down and took two Norco for the pain. I had a counselor once tell me that I have a high tolerance of pain and that I just let it get out of hand before taking anything for it.....that if I took something at the initial onset of the pain, it wouldn't get so bad. I just HATE to take one more pill....so I let it get so bad that I am like this. One of these days, I AM going to learn! Thanks for the support. Debby [ ] to debby Debby: I made an error of omission - what you are feeling is NOT normal. Sorry about that. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Hey Debby, PLEASE change the heading on your posts to Gail. I'm done feeling ignored!!!! (*_0_**) Val P.S. By the way, I'm doing better with my diet. I'm giving myself some motivational " Debby " talks!!! --- gmgblues <gmgblues (DOT) com> wrote: > Am not having sugar every day. Went for weeks > before eating the > peach and was not craving sugar when I ate it. Plus > don't eat one > every day. Hi Gail, I have this bad habit of saying " sugar " when I'm referring to foods that are highly starchy, so I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. When I think about something like a potato which turns into almost entirely glucose in the body, I think of it as " sugar " . --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new .com. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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