Re: Need help w/Candida & Kids

[Guest guest]

Here's what I would do if I were in your situation. I'd ease her into

this very strict form of low-carb eating by starting with something more

liberal (like Atkins) which still stresses the veggies and healthy fats

but allows a few more things. Then, you could gradually remove the foods

that feed candida until she's completely on track.

See, it's harder with kids. They don't see the need to be healthy like we

do, and when you've got years and years of bad habits to overcome, it can

be really tough. If you start with something more liberal though with a

goal of eventually following Bee's plan completely, I think it'd be

doable.

I think that there are a lot of us who don't have any problems with Bee's

eating plan because we started with low-carb first. We got used to eating

low-carb, and so making the switch to a more strict plan wasn't that hard.

The thing is, we made that choice on our own, and we committed to get

healthy on our own. When you're trying to change someone against their

will, it can be harder, so you have to do it with a delicate touch in my

view.

That's my advice for what it's worth.

in IN

[Guest guest]

Be patient. I am having a tough time myself with this diet and I'm

more than twice her age. It's not an easy diet - especially if

you're a teenager.

Find the things she likes to eat. My son, 8 years, loves my coconut

chicken (antibiotic free chicken cooked in coconut oil with shallots

and sometimes garlic too - occasionally with veggies too). He eats

it because he likes it, not because he has to. That makes all the

difference. There is much to be said for perspective.

If she does start the diet and gives it a chance, she'll start to

feel better and then it will be easier. Tell her to start gradually

too - not all at once which will make it a little easier too.

It scares me too and I've been living with it for 2 1/2 years. It

gets a little easier to stick to the diet, but I don't think it's

ever easy.

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> Hi--I am having a tough time with this diet and my 14 year old

> daughter. Obviously she is overloaded because of diet to begin

with.

> It is getting very hard to feed her due to past bad habits. Is

there a

> different route to take with kids/teens? Does anyone have any tips

to

> help get her through this? Recipes, tips, ideas..Like everyone else

in

> this world, she likes her carbs. Especially potatoes. I admit I am

> approaching this sloowly. Took her off juices successfully(big

success

> right there) & no added sugar to food but I allowed her potatoes

> because there simply isn't a lot of things she could have. I am also

> afraid of dieoff symptoms. Previously, I did a different candida

> cleanse & she got very sick. Is there anyway around the terrible die

> off symptoms? I feel like I am making her get sick on purpose. I am

> also doing this diet and my biggest problem in my life has been

> migraines. I lose vision and get sick for days with them. I would do

> almost ANYTHING to get rid of one when it comes..the thought of

> inducing one is enough to make me crawl in a hole. I am very

> apprehensive in going full throttle into this. It scares the heck

out

> of me. Any ideas, tips and help is MUCH appreciated--Cyndy (sorry

so long)

>

[Guest guest]

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> That's my advice for what it's worth.

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> in IN

>

That is great advice and very true. It is hard to change someone who

doesn't really grasp the whole problem. I am wondering if I should

cut her sugar and carbs as much as possible and let her make the

decision sometime in the future. I just don't want the issues to get

any worst.

Thanks for the advice! Cyndy

[Guest guest]

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> If she does start the diet and gives it a chance, she'll start to

> feel better and then it will be easier.

Won't she will feel sicker before she feels better? Im afraid she

will get real sick and not want to do it anymore. She gets very teary

when I tell her she has to stick to this diet for a while. But, even

after the candida is gone she will have to really watch her diet. I

wish I could just switch bodies and do it for her!

>

Thank you for the advice...I really do appreciate it. --Cyndy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Cyndy,

It's my impression that you're focusing so much on how sick she will

get, that you've lost sight of the fact that she is already sick!

She's just used to what her kind of " sick " feels like.

You're now trying to guide her onto a path of lifelong health and

wellness. A kind of health like she's never felt before. Turn your/her

attention to how good it will feel to be well, not how bad it will be

getting there. Really, the getting there is only temporary in the

grand scheme of things.

Ya' know, not everyone gets really sick and experiences the intense

die-off that some people do. I didn't and I seem to recall that Debby

Hudson didn't get terribly sick, there might be others here as well.

Here's the deal...if you ease her into this gradually you can minimize

the die-off symptoms. Start by removing one candida-feeding food at a

time. Let her take a few days or a week or even more to get used to

that...then take out another thing, wait a few days and so on and so

on. Add in the coconut oil and supplements as you and she are willing

to add them in. There's no need to force her...it may take awhile to

integrate all the changes but before you know it, you will have

reomved the most offensive items from her diet and she'll be well on

her way to feeling great!

I recall someone else here on the list who got their children on the

diet by elisting their help in preparing good meals. Get her involved

in the planning and the cooking...make this a voyage of discovering

new and delicious foods that she CAN eat instead of lamenting the

things she can't eat. Reward her for her good choices and progress.

You know that teenagers have their own brand of " currency " and you'll

know what she would like as a reward...maybe a CD or something for her

hair or a new book or piece of jewelry....or simply an " atta' girl

you're doing great! " from her mother and all of us here. She's got a

cheering section and she doesn't even know it! )

Focus your attention on a positive outcome and you'll achieve a

postive outcome!

jackie

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> Won't she will feel sicker before she feels better? Im afraid she

> will get real sick and not want to do it anymore. She gets very teary

> when I tell her she has to stick to this diet for a while. But, even

> after the candida is gone she will have to really watch her diet. I

> wish I could just switch bodies and do it for her!

>

[Guest guest]

--- jahlstrom78 <jahlstrom@...> wrote:

> Ya' know, not everyone gets really sick and

> experiences the intense

> die-off that some people do. I didn't and I seem to

> recall that Debby

> Hudson didn't get terribly sick, there might be

> others here as well.

> Here's the deal...if you ease her into this

> gradually you can minimize

> the die-off symptoms.

This is true, I never have gotten intense die off

symptoms.. mine were always barely noticeable. But as

soon as I stop what I'm doing then I right away notice

my yeast symptoms coming back (like when I stopped the

coconut oil or when I had to take antibiotics after my

root canal).

I started by doing plain Atkins, very loosely at that.

I allowed myself low carb ice cream, low carb

chocolates, cheese, salami and other processed meats,

diet sodas, coffee with cream/splenda, etc.

Eating that way was very decadant, but I never lost my

cravings or cured my candida or lost weight that way

either.

However I did see an improvement in my candida

symptoms from their worst point, just not nearly as

much as now. I spent ~8 months on regular low carb,

and ~4-6 months weaning on to this diet. Each week or

two I removed another item until I was fully on the

program.

So you can start her with a regular garden variety low

carb. Give her rich fatty foods. Make fajitas with

low carb tortillas, and lots of cheese and avocados

and sour cream.

Steak and shrimp dipped in butter... Chicken parmesan

without crust. There are TONS of recipes out there

for low carb stuff.

Then after she's tried low carb for a while, and is

seeing improvement in her health and appreciating it,

gently suggest that she might see even more

improvement without <insert food here>. Suggest she

go for a week or two without it and see how she feels.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

> " It's my impression that you're focusing so much on how sick she

will get, that you've lost sight of the fact that she is already sick!

> She's just used to what her kind of " sick " feels like. "

...yes, I am really focusing on how sick she will get probably more

than I should. I am worried because we did this before and it was

terrible...she ended up with strep throat and back on antibiotics. It

was really disheartening. She remembers this & it really was a waste

of time for her because the antibiotics and the sickness just ruined

the whole thing.

" " not everyone gets really sick and experiences the intense

> die-off that some people do " "

....Before I came here, I was reading a book on candida & followed

it...she was sick as a dog in just one day of doing it. This is what

scares me. She is very overloaded. This candida is not going to give

up without a huge fight.

I have her off of sugar and most carbs. The only thing I haven't

completely taken her off of is potatos. She is taking the supplements

as well. How long should I do this for her before she takes the

anti-candida cleanses? Can she still have potatoes and successfully

get rid of candida? My problem is I read too many books & everyone has

a different way of doing it.

" Get her involved

> in the planning and the cooking.. "

Good advice and I will follow it.

" She's got a

> cheering section and she doesn't even know it! ) "

Thank you I/she will need it! Thanks again for the advice! --Cyndy

>

[Guest guest]

" But as

> soon as I stop what I'm doing then I right away notice

> my yeast symptoms coming back "

.... What type of symptoms do you get? She doesn't have any real daily

symptoms of candida that I know of.

>

> " I started by doing plain Atkins, "

She has been doing pretty good on this diet considering...it has just

been tough finding stuff she wants to eat. We are running out of ideas.

" Each week or

> two I removed another item until I was fully on the

> program. "

Unfortunately, I jumped in with both feet. I waited til school was out

and started immediately. She had plenty of warning but it is always

tougher than anticipated.

How long should she do this diet before going to the next step?

Thank you for your advice and help. Everything helps!--Cyndy

[Guest guest]

--- cyndyk2 <cyndyk2@...> wrote:

> ... What type of symptoms do you get? She doesn't

> have any real daily

> symptoms of candida that I know of.

I get lots of symtoms.. acne, itchy anus, fatigue,

brain fog, psoriasis, to name a few.

> She has been doing pretty good on this diet

> considering...it has just

> been tough finding stuff she wants to eat. We are

> running out of ideas.

Have you checked out the recipe files?

> How long should she do this diet before going to the

> next step?

I would say she can stay on Atkins until she seems

used to it, then one by one remove the foods that are

not allowed on this program, over the course of

several months.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

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> > " It's my impression that you're focusing so much on how sick she

> will get, that you've lost sight of the fact that she is already

sick! > She's just used to what her kind of " sick " feels like. "

>

> ..yes, I am really focusing on how sick she will get probably more

> than I should. I am worried because we did this before and it was

> terrible...she ended up with strep throat and back on antibiotics.

It> was really disheartening. She remembers this & it really was a

waste> of time for her because the antibiotics and the sickness just

ruined> the whole thing.

>

> " " not everyone gets really sick and experiences the intense

> > die-off that some people do " "

>

> ...Before I came here, I was reading a book on candida & followed

> it...she was sick as a dog in just one day of doing it. This is

what

> scares me. She is very overloaded. This candida is not going to

give

> up without a huge fight.

>

> I have her off of sugar and most carbs. The only thing I haven't

> completely taken her off of is potatos. She is taking the

supplements> as well. How long should I do this for her before she

takes the> anti-candida cleanses?

==>Cyndy - I do not recommend cleanses - they are too hard on the

body until the immune system is built up, and the liver and adrenals

are detoxified, etc. - coffee enema, lemon & ocean sea salt drink,

dry skin brushing, etc. recommended in my article helps the liver

and adrenals.

> Can she still have potatoes and successfully get rid of candida?

My problem is I read too many books & everyone has a different way

of doing it.

==>Potatoe are starch, and high starch foods feed candida.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Cyndy,

This is from the Folder A) Candida - How to Get Started:

" After you have completely integrated the entire diet and have

gotten through some of the worst " die-off " symptoms it will create,

you are ready to start on antifungals. Some people must be on the

diet up to 6 months before they can start antifungals. The best

antifungals are raw crushed certified organic garlic and oil of

oregano. Again, start at a low dose and gradually increase them.

You will get " die-off symptoms from the diet, and more so from

taking antifungals. " Die-off " symptoms are caused by high numbers

of candida being killed off, which are actually healing symptoms –

see " Healing Reaction, The " in the files after the folders.

Once you are no longer having severe die-off symptoms from the

antifungal you can start on probiotics – see the main article " How

to Successfully Overcome Candida " for a full explanation. At that

point in time you are doing all 4 parts of the candida program at

the same time.

Remember that " more is not better " because you will overwhelm your

body, not allowing it time to adjust to changes or new substances,

and you will feel sicker and become more discouraged. You cannot

rush the body into getting well and there are no quick fixes. Quick

fixes, such an antibiotics and other drugs, made us all sick with

candida overgrowth to begin with, and they greatly suppress the

body's natural healing mechanisms. The natural healing process

takes time, persistence and patience. In fact the main principles

of this candida diet will educate you so you can maintain life-long

health. "

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> " But as

> > soon as I stop what I'm doing then I right away notice

> > my yeast symptoms coming back "

>

> ... What type of symptoms do you get? She doesn't have any real

daily

> symptoms of candida that I know of.

> >

> > " I started by doing plain Atkins, "

>

> She has been doing pretty good on this diet considering...it has

just

> been tough finding stuff she wants to eat. We are running out of

ideas.

>

> " Each week or

> > two I removed another item until I was fully on the

> > program. "

>

> Unfortunately, I jumped in with both feet. I waited til school was

out

> and started immediately. She had plenty of warning but it is always

> tougher than anticipated.

>

> How long should she do this diet before going to the next step?

>

> Thank you for your advice and help. Everything helps!--Cyndy