Re: Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

[Guest guest]

Andy,

I'm sorry to hear that you were injured by the vaccine. I do hope

you'll be able to find others.

Jessie

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> hi everyone,

>

> i may have been injured as a result of the lyme vaccine and may have

> developed a form of autoimmune arthritis. i'm trying to find others

> like me (there are not many) that have been able to get successful

> treatment. i've scoured the internet with no luck so far. any help?

>

> andy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

What state are you in? My LLMD in PA has treated victims of the Lyme

vaccine. That was the first question he asks new patients is were you

given the vaccine. I didn't take the vaccine, so did not talk to him

much about it. But I remember he did comment what terrible arthritis

most of them ended up with. Don't get overwhelmed with an autoimmune

diagnosis of any kind if you think you have Lyme. Lyme can masquerade

as an autoimmune illness and even cause high ANA antibodies. Get rid of

the Lyme and autoimmunity will often go away. I originally was

diagnosed with CREST Syndrome which is very rare autoimmune illness. I

at least test positive, but do not have the symptoms other than

Raynauds which many Lymies have anyway.

Have you been tested for Lyme by Bowen or Igenex?

>

> hi everyone,

>

> i may have been injured as a result of the lyme vaccine and may have

> developed a form of autoimmune arthritis. i'm trying to find others

> like me (there are not many) that have been able to get successful

> treatment. i've scoured the internet with no luck so far. any help?

>

> andy

>

[Guest guest]

Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot from

two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception of

the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom of

Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something like

this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

> >

> > hi everyone,

> >

> > i may have been injured as a result of the lyme vaccine and may

have

> > developed a form of autoimmune arthritis. i'm trying to find

others

> > like me (there are not many) that have been able to get

successful

> > treatment. i've scoured the internet with no luck so far. any

help?

> >

> > andy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Andy,

I don't think western medicine offers any good treatment for an autoimmune

disease. Is it possible for you to try alternatives, like seeing a Naturopathic

doctor? Naturopathy can often help get your immune system to function normally

instead of being hyper alert.

The initial problem you need to investigate is whether or not you do have a Lyme

infection. I assume you got the Lyme vaccine because you were concerned with

the potential to contract Lyme disease. One thing that came out of the vaccine

clinical trials is that if a person was misdiagnosed as being Lyme free, and

then received the vaccine, the symptoms of the disease would be severely

intensified. Because the testing, even the Western Blot done by the best labs,

can have false negatives you shouldn't be quick to dismiss this possibility.

Not only did the vaccine cause auto-immune problems, it was also never 100%

effective. I don't know what the odds are, but it is -possible- you contracted

Lyme disease after receiving the vaccine.

If you do have an active infection you will probably want to use antibiotics

before focusing on the auto-immune issue. (Natural medicine while effective at

many things, will often shun antibiotics.)

Please find a doctor who treats Lyme disease patients who has a positive

reputation within the Lyme disease community to evaluate your condition. From

there you can decide what treatment methods you want to try with an informed

opinion.

Also - have you contacted any of the lawyers who successfully sued the Lyme

disease vaccine makers? I think all suits were settled, so there were no court

cases. But the lawyers may have an idea of what their clients have tried for

help. Try searching http://www.google.com/ for the law firms who filed suits.

Good luck to you! I hope you find something to help!

=)

Robynn

PS

A great way to see a Naturopath for low cost is go to one of the

Naturopathic Colleges. Though you may be seen by a student, your care would

ALWAYS be overseen or reviewed by a trained ND. (Just like low cost MD and

DO clinics.)

Having your care managed by a trained professional is always better than

taking supplements based upon someone's recommendation. Each of us is very

different and our physical needs are different. A trained ND is capable of

determining which supplements could help and which ones may be a detriment.

Maybe one of the following colleges could help!

=)

Robynn

Robynns_Lyme_List/

Bastyr University - WA

Look under " Healthcare "

http://www.bastyr.edu/

National College of Naturopathic Medicine - OR

Look under " Clinics "

http://www.ncnm.edu

The Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine - Canada

Look under " The Clinic "

http://www.ccnm.edu/

Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine - AZ

Look under " Medical Center "

http://www.scnm.edu/naturopathic_school.html

University of Bridgeport College of Naturopathic Medicine - CT

Look under " Clinic "

http://www.bridgeport.edu/pages/3240.asp

[ ] Re: Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot from

two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception of

the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom of

Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something like

this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

[Guest guest]

What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

> Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot from

> two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception of

> the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom of

> Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something like

> this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

>

[Guest guest]

These would be bands for Outer Surface Protein A (OspA).

The vaccine was designed to cause the immune system to make antibodies

against OspA in hopes that the bacteria would be recognized and attacked

immediately upon OspA's introduction into the body. Unfortunately OspA

looks a lot like a protein many of us naturally have in our bodies. When

the immune system attacks OspA, it will often attack this natural protein as

well, not being able to determine the difference between the two.

=)

Robynn

Re: [ ] Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

> Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot from

> two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception of

> the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom of

> Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something like

> this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

>

[Guest guest]

So its not a vaccine specific band, but a band that the vaccine and active

infection have in common?

> These would be bands for Outer Surface Protein A (OspA).

>

> The vaccine was designed to cause the immune system to make antibodies

> against OspA in hopes that the bacteria would be recognized and attacked

> immediately upon OspA's introduction into the body. Unfortunately OspA

> looks a lot like a protein many of us naturally have in our bodies. When

> the immune system attacks OspA, it will often attack this natural protein

as

> well, not being able to determine the difference between the two.

>

> =)

> Robynn

>

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> Re: [ ] Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

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> What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

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> > Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot from

> > two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception of

> > the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom of

> > Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something like

> > this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

[Guest guest]

Robynn

Would this be 31kDa on the Western Blot PCR thru Igenex? Or are

there other bands? THanks much

Rose Marie

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> These would be bands for Outer Surface Protein A (OspA).

>

> The vaccine was designed to cause the immune system to make

antibodies

> against OspA in hopes that the bacteria would be recognized and

attacked

> immediately upon OspA's introduction into the body. Unfortunately

OspA

> looks a lot like a protein many of us naturally have in our

bodies. When

> the immune system attacks OspA, it will often attack this natural

protein as

> well, not being able to determine the difference between the two.

>

> =)

> Robynn

>

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> Re: [ ] Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

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> What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

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> > Noone yet. This thing is wierd. I looked at my Western Blot

from

> > two years ago and it shows negative for Lyme with the exception

of

> > the vaccine bands. This injury has caused almost every symptom

of

> > Lyme without actually getting Lyme. How do you treat something

like

> > this? There is no bug to eradicate but my body thinks there is.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes.

According to Everything You Need to Know about Lyme Disease by

Vanderhoof-Forschner first edition 1997, that is the only band specific to

OspA.

Other labs can also test for 31kD but you usually have to specifically ask

them to tell you the results for this band.

Because my book is a little older 's updated book may have more recent

information in it. For example in the first edition writes that the

band " 30kD = unknown, probably an outer surface protein " . It's possible we

now know what 30kD is.

I personally prefer to get my information from published books and medical

journal articles. Both of these go through rigorous vetting procedures and

almost always include citations to the original research. Even books and

articles that contain a different viewpoint from my own have to say WHERE

they got their information from. At least then I can trace how they have

made their own conclusions that I either concur or disagree with.

=)

Robynn

Re: [ ] Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

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> What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

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[Guest guest]

Yes.

If a test - consistently - shows positive for OspA only, then more than

likely it is reacting to the Lyme vaccine and not to a whole Bb spirochete.

=)

Robynn

Re: [ ] Potential Lyme Vaccine Victim

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> What are the Western Blot bands that are for the vaccine?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Robin

Rose Marie

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> Yes.