Re: Anyone Watch

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I didn't turn TV on tonight. What did they say about him?

Joyce from Texas

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From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM

Subject: Anyone Watch

20/20 tonight?? Interesting info about Trudeau (sp)....and his

Book he sells. (@@).

Carla

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I haven't read his book, just seen parts of it but does it really tell you

anything, other than direct you to his pay monthly website?

Dorey

www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

----- Original Message -----

From: " Joyce McCrary " <j.mccrary@...>

<Rheumatoid Arthritis >

Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM

Subject: Re: Anyone Watch

>I didn't turn TV on tonight. What did they say about him?

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> Joyce from Texas

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@...>

> <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM

> Subject: Anyone Watch

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> 20/20 tonight?? Interesting info about Trudeau (sp)....and his

> Book he sells. (@@).

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> Carla

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he definately pushes joining his website (which I did). he assures that he is

fighting for us

to be able to get info about natural, non-invasive remedies to health issues

without

interference from the FDA. i believe him. he's a little radical I guess, but i

like that he gets

you thinking. i have read his book and it makes you really THINK about what you

put into

your body and how you spend your money. i'm just really curious what it is they

said

about him on 20/20? with the info he tells in his book, he'd HAVE to be public

enemy #1

to the pharmaceutical industry and possibly the medical association and health

insurance

companies. i mean, just for the sake of conversation, what would it do to the

multi-billion

dollar pharmaceutical companies if natural remedies were available for most of

our major

(and minor) health problems? with that kind of money at stack, it makes sense

that they

would go to great lengths to protect it, including making natural remedies

available only

by prescription.

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> I haven't read his book, just seen parts of it but does it really tell you

> anything, other than direct you to his pay monthly website?

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> Dorey

> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Joyce McCrary " <j.mccrary@2...>

> <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM

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> >I didn't turn TV on tonight. What did they say about him?

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> > Joyce from Texas

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> > ----- Original Message -----

> > From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@g...>

> > <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM

> > Subject: Anyone Watch

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> > 20/20 tonight?? Interesting info about Trudeau (sp)....and his

> > Book he sells. (@@).

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> > Carla

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Hi ,

I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess I'm

one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most part

in judging what's best for this disease, and others. My father in

law happens to be a doctor too and the naturpathic/homeopathic

approach can and does do more damage to some people than good and

probably most of the time does nothing and is a huge waste of money.

Those approaches may keep people from getting the real medication or

therapy that they need, making their progression worse and depending

on the issue too late by the time they do seek regular medical

attention.

On the topic of RA alone; I asked my dr. about the use of natural

products and herbs and vitemins and all that mumbo jumbo and she

said that she believes some of that is actually good for arthritis

in general; but for those who suffer from OA, not RA. That since OA

is a side affect of the breakdown of our own body, our wear and

tear, that they may stimulate the body to lube itself back up but

that as we all know with RA; our body is actually attacking itself

and those products can do nothing to stop the progression of that.

Medicine is what can does that. Also worth noting is that some

vitemins and what not are good for our health in general and are

worth taking but are not going to actually do anything about our

disease or keep it from progressing on their own.

I dont claim to know everything about this topic but I sure have

read alot of posts of yours possibly giving people alot of false

hope that they can just live med free if they go all natural like

you claim to have. I've been to your website and right on the

homepage theres a statement from you that really bothers me:

" I urge you to do your due diligence, before taking any medication

research the side effects (every drug has a side effect). For your

convenience I have posted a link to a site where you can research

any medication prior to deciding if it is right for you under my

recommendations. "

It's the last part where you state " if it is right for you under my

recommendations. " Are you a doctor? If so I didn't see that stated

anywhere and I hate to think you are recommending what medicinces

people should be taking if you're not.

peace

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> >> I haven't read his book, just seen parts of it but does it

really tell

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> >> Dorey

> >> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: " Joyce McCrary " <j.mccrary@2...>

> >> <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM

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> >> > ----- Original Message -----

> >> > From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@g...>

> >> > <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> >> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM

> >> > Subject: Anyone Watch

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(sp)....and his

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--- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , Dorey <ddorey@s...>

wrote:

>

> Hi , here's the sad thing, I believe that natural remedys often

do out

> perform medication for auto immune disorders......

What is your basis for this belief?

Sierra

[Guest guest]

> Those approaches may keep people from getting the real medication or

> therapy that they need, making their progression worse and depending

> on the issue too late by the time they do seek regular medical

> attention.

This is what has happened to my mom...she is unnecessicarily disabled

at a young age because of her distrust of, and refusal to go to, an MD.

She has spent large amounts of money on " natural stuff. " She can barely

walk now, lives as a shut-in, and has little energy or ability to

pursue activities that make life worth living.

Sierra

[Guest guest]

Very well put! I always seem to be trying to battle the bulge and

your advice regarding weight is right on!

t.

--- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " LH " <saludo@F...>

wrote:

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> I have to agree with you. A good, healthy diet, exercise, enough

sleep, and low stress will make *anyone* feel better, regardless of

whatever disease or condition they have(note that I said *better,*

and not *good*). However, as far as " curing " RA, if all those

natural remedies worked, then we wouldn't have RA, now would we?

Common sense seems to tell us that if natural remedies were the

answer, there wouldn't be a problem. The people who tout these

things the most strongly all seem to still have the disease.

>

> In the last year I've lost quite a bit of weight, started walking

long distances at aerobic levels, and because I'm a vegetarian with

severe lactose intolerance, have tweaked my diet to a very healthy

level. I *could* say that those things " cured " me, and if you just

lose weight, exercise, and eat right, you'll be cured too. That's

not a *study* though, and there are way too many variables there to

attribute improvement to any one thing. The changes I made helped a

lot, but I'm also on Plaquenil daily, and have been for the last 14

years. Right now I don't have much beyond regular osteo

pain/changes, except for one finger on my left hand(which really

annoys me), and I'd like to think that RA is " gone, " but I know well

enough that it can return with a vengeance.

>

> I would recommend that everyone do what I did -- lose weight(that

NEVER makes it worse unless you lose too much), exercise, and eat

healthy. You'll feel better, but as far as a " cure " -- Nope.

Whatever happened with me is wonderful, but I doubt that it's the

plaquenil, because it's never happened before and I've been on it so

long, and I know that it isn't all the lifestyle changes, because

when I developed this disease I was in excellent health, a little

below average weight, and exercised regularly.

>

> So -- the point is.........? You can't attribute changes in your

disease to changes in your lifestyle or herbal supplements unless

you have controlled ALL variables. That means ALL of them, and I

know that the testimonials out there are not based on hard research.

They're just that: anecdotal evidence, and not worth a whole lot.

It's cruel and misleading to tell people that diet will " cure " them,

that herbal supplements will " cure " them, that if they just do this

and this and that, their disease(likely caused by poor diet and food

additives) will go away.

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> If you use just a little bit of logic, you might consider the fact

that modern medicine would have had no reason to develop if herbals,

healthy living, and naturopathic remedies actually worked for these

diseases. Why would anyone try to discover a " cure " cure for RA if

it was already out there and in use? It makes no sense. I'm glad

you feel better, but so do I, and you can't explain why *I* am

better. I can't either, and I'm not going to mislead people about

it. Sometimes it just happens.

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: i_live_in_slippers

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:20 AM

> Subject: Re: Anyone Watch

>

>

> Hi ,

> I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess

I'm

> one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most

part

> in judging what's best for this disease, and others. My father

in

> law happens to be a doctor too and the naturpathic/homeopathic

> approach can and does do more damage to some people than good

and

> probably most of the time does nothing and is a huge waste of

money.

>

[Guest guest]

Sierra,

Thanks for that post. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That

unfortunetly happens alot and is sad. I hate to sound like I think

the people pushing all this natural cure stuff are " bad " but the

fact is that it either just doesn't work for most and can at times

actually make it worse. Sales people should never replace the advice

of a doctor.

I know we all try to find something the helps us with this disease

but for me, it should and will never replace the advice of my

educated medical doctor that specializes in rheumatology. I may use

things in conjunction, I do take flax and fish oil as well as a good

multivitemin but it's in addition to my meds because frankly

everyone, diseased or not, can benefit from those products. It will

not cure my RA it's just to help me be as healthy as I can be.

peace

>

> > Those approaches may keep people from getting the real

medication or

> > therapy that they need, making their progression worse and

depending

> > on the issue too late by the time they do seek regular medical

> > attention.

>

> This is what has happened to my mom...she is unnecessicarily

disabled

> at a young age because of her distrust of, and refusal to go to,

an MD.

> She has spent large amounts of money on " natural stuff. " She can

barely

> walk now, lives as a shut-in, and has little energy or ability to

> pursue activities that make life worth living.

>

> Sierra

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I checked out your website hoping it was a blog, which it's not

That's how I found out why you seem to always post about

the " natural " stuff, what you seem to be about, and that's fine. We

can agree to politely disagree. And I didn't say your posts annoyed

me, I said your comment on the site about recommending what

medicines someone should or shouldn't take when apparently trying

your " method " when you're not a doctor bothered me

I think everyone who posted on this subject can agree that healthy

lifestyle choices are never a bad thing. Like we said, diet &

exercise are probably the most key. For me, anything above or beyond

that is with the recommendation of my trained physician.

in peace-

>

> Lets not butt heads, you don't need the stress, neither do I.

Instead lets

> just agree to disagree. I have had huge success by natural

methods, I have

> helped others do the same but it's certainly not the easy path,

you first

> have to determine what is causing the dis - ease in your body

that's causing

> your immune system to be compromised.

>

> If my posts annoy you it's ok to stop reading them, we all have

that right.

> I won't stop reading yours. Obviously though, at some point you

had enough

> interest to read my website, meaning you haven't given up entirely

on how

> you can help your disease naturally.

>

> I don't tell people to go off meds, it's just that sometimes they

become

> unnecessary, as in my case. I do recommend people educate

themselves on the

> side effects of the medication to ensure that they can live with

what may be

> coming. Please keep in mind, I myself took meds until I was able

to control

> this disease.......We can not ignore RA, it won't go away on it's

own and

> long term inflammation is very serious, so treatment that works

for you is

> necessary, for me that's holistic now.

>

> I am guilty of giving people hope that if they make positive

changes they

> will most likely recieve postitive results. I can not stop

spreading this

> message because I feel it is my duty, we all have to do things to

help

> others, and mine is to share some of the positive things we can do

for

> ourselves to improve our health. Positive life style changes

will help

> everyone.......doesn't mean you can't take meds AND implement the

positive

> life style changes at the same time.

>

> Please note, all through my website and in my posting I recommend

seeing and

> working with your doctors........just don't allow them to stop you

from

> making positive life style changes. Use sense, of course what

you feed

> your body will make a difference in your health and it's when

doctors claim

> otherwise that I get annoyed.

>

> Dorey

> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " i_live_in_slippers " <bart.tracy@s...>

> <Rheumatoid Arthritis >

> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:20 AM

> Subject: Re: Anyone Watch

>

>

> > Hi ,

> > I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess

I'm

> > one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most

part

> >

>