Re: Andrographis and pulsing..

December 27, 2006

Connie,

It sounds like your " experiment is doing *something*!

I'm sort of in the beginning of doing similar. I dropped the andro due to the

heart stuff (just in case) but I'm slowly adding it back (not exactly what

you're doing). I'll let you know if anything weird happens. Thanks for sharing!

I think you have to go with whatever your gut tells you. Moment by moment.

Ann

p.s. Btw, has anyone over there on Salt/C shared having someone visit and ask

what they were doing with a bong (or ask what it was)?! This could make for

some great stories!

In a message dated 12/27/06 7:25:31 PM, conniekillbug@... writes:

> Hi All,

>

> I just want to share something interesting. I have been on

> andrographis for six months and in general have not pulsed it.

> This week I tried an experiment, because I haven't had stunning

> results from my protocol--(2 caps, 3x/day--though I started at 3 caps,

> 3x/day for the first four months) so thought I'd try something different.

> So went off of it for three days, then doubled my normal dose

> beginning two days ago (and will continue through tomorrow) to see if

> I could " stun " the bacteria.

>

> Well I have about four nasty Lyme rashes on my leg today, and I RARELY

> get rashes. I've been told this can be an indication of a herx and

> that the immune system is fighting the illness.

>

> I know Buhner advises against pulsing, but I wonder if a few days off

> encourages the buggers to come out of hiding, where one can then

> " stun " them with a high dose of herb.

>

> Has anyone else tried this? I'm just curious whether my little

> experiment might have worked.

>

> Thanks-- Connie

>

January 6, 2007

Connie, how are you doing with pulsing?

I pulsed a bit of everything else but NEVER andrographis. It was (and

is) my wonder herb. It is still ART testing positive for me after 12

months of practically uninterupted use.

But I guess everyone is different. Some can't tolerate andro well. I

can't tolerate Knotweed well.

Antother herb I took for ages was sarsaparilla. But I never felt 'in

danger' if I stopped it. I'm not taking it for the moment. Neither

cats claw. But I took them for many months with little interruption.

What I did was to add or substitute a herb / herbs, changing my

protocol every 3 weeks. I am using teasel now, I tried forsythia,

gardenia, artemisia annua whole herb (wonderful against lyme in my

opinion)... But my rule was 'never stop the gentle killing'.

Sometimes I added a virus killer, or a fungal killer and dropped some

of the lyme killers. St. 's wort helped as well as lots of frozen

garlic. Now I'm trying Rizols, said to act against bartonela and

funghi. The only herb of the CP I'm taking for the moment is

andrographis. It's still working, though I don't think I herx

anymore...

Good luck! Keep us posted about your trials!

Selma

January 7, 2007

>

Hi Selma,

Thanks for the update!

Its late so I'm going to make this a bit short...

My first trial run with pulsing andro (just 3 days off, then 3 days

doubling the dose) produced a nice farm of rashes on the back of one

leg. As I havent had many rashes I was quite excited about this.

I'm doing it again this week to see what happens! Will keep you updated.

Also doing some rizols like you They are tough stuff for me. I seem

to get pretty wiped out from them.

How are you feeling these days? Really hope all is well!! Will check

in again soon

Blessings, Connie

> Connie, how are you doing with pulsing?

>

> I pulsed a bit of everything else but NEVER andrographis. It was (and

> is) my wonder herb. It is still ART testing positive for me after 12

> months of practically uninterupted use.

>

> But I guess everyone is different. Some can't tolerate andro well. I

> can't tolerate Knotweed well.

>

> Antother herb I took for ages was sarsaparilla. But I never felt 'in

> danger' if I stopped it. I'm not taking it for the moment. Neither

> cats claw. But I took them for many months with little interruption.

>

> What I did was to add or substitute a herb / herbs, changing my

> protocol every 3 weeks. I am using teasel now, I tried forsythia,

> gardenia, artemisia annua whole herb (wonderful against lyme in my

> opinion)... But my rule was 'never stop the gentle killing'.

>

> Sometimes I added a virus killer, or a fungal killer and dropped some

> of the lyme killers. St. 's wort helped as well as lots of frozen

> garlic. Now I'm trying Rizols, said to act against bartonela and

> funghi. The only herb of the CP I'm taking for the moment is

> andrographis. It's still working, though I don't think I herx

> anymore...

>

> Good luck! Keep us posted about your trials!

> Selma

>

January 19, 2007

-I know that Buhner is not keen but I like the idea of pulsing.

I am very sensitive to even one tablet 400mg of PF Andrographis so I

intend to pulse just that for a while while continuing with the

other herbs normally.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace-- In , " Connie "

<conniekillbug@...> wrote:

>

> >

> Hi Selma,

>

> Thanks for the update!

> Its late so I'm going to make this a bit short...

> My first trial run with pulsing andro (just 3 days off, then 3 days

> doubling the dose) produced a nice farm of rashes on the back of

one

> leg. As I havent had many rashes I was quite excited about this.

> I'm doing it again this week to see what happens! Will keep you

updated.

>

> Also doing some rizols like you They are tough stuff for me. I

seem

> to get pretty wiped out from them.

>

> How are you feeling these days? Really hope all is well!! Will

check

> in again soon

>

> Blessings, Connie

>

> > Connie, how are you doing with pulsing?

> >

> > I pulsed a bit of everything else but NEVER andrographis. It was

(and

> > is) my wonder herb. It is still ART testing positive for me

after 12

> > months of practically uninterupted use.

> >

> > But I guess everyone is different. Some can't tolerate andro

well. I

> > can't tolerate Knotweed well.

> >

> > Antother herb I took for ages was sarsaparilla. But I never

felt 'in

> > danger' if I stopped it. I'm not taking it for the moment.

Neither

> > cats claw. But I took them for many months with little

interruption.

> >

> > What I did was to add or substitute a herb / herbs, changing my

> > protocol every 3 weeks. I am using teasel now, I tried

forsythia,

> > gardenia, artemisia annua whole herb (wonderful against lyme in

my

> > opinion)... But my rule was 'never stop the gentle killing'.

> >

> > Sometimes I added a virus killer, or a fungal killer and dropped

some

> > of the lyme killers. St. 's wort helped as well as lots of

frozen

> > garlic. Now I'm trying Rizols, said to act against bartonela and

> > funghi. The only herb of the CP I'm taking for the moment is

> > andrographis. It's still working, though I don't think I herx

> > anymore...

> >

> > Good luck! Keep us posted about your trials!

> > Selma

> >

>

January 19, 2007

In a message dated 1/19/07 4:30:33 PM, hardynaka@... writes:

> I never read about a lyme sufferer that didn't react to andro so far. Is

> there anyone??

>

The only unusual thing that happened around the time I started andrographis

(the first HL herb I started) was that my face was oilier and I got bumps

around my hairline - this may have had nothing to do with the andro. Either way,

it

was not a difficult thing to live with.

Ann

January 19, 2007

Hey Wallace,

There are lots of professional opinions out there on pulsing...I think going

a long time without a dose is probably not good, but a few days off here and

there, might not be a bad idea.

Good luck! Connie

Wallace Kingston <wpswallace@...> wrote:

-I know that Buhner is not keen but I like the idea of pulsing.

I am very sensitive to even one tablet 400mg of PF Andrographis so I

intend to pulse just that for a while while continuing with the

other herbs normally.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace-- In , " Connie "

<conniekillbug@...> wrote:

>

> >

> Hi Selma,

>

> Thanks for the update!

> Its late so I'm going to make this a bit short...

> My first trial run with pulsing andro (just 3 days off, then 3 days

> doubling the dose) produced a nice farm of rashes on the back of

one

> leg. As I havent had many rashes I was quite excited about this.

> I'm doing it again this week to see what happens! Will keep you

updated.

>

> Also doing some rizols like you They are tough stuff for me. I

seem

> to get pretty wiped out from them.

>

> How are you feeling these days? Really hope all is well!! Will

check

> in again soon

>

> Blessings, Connie

>

> > Connie, how are you doing with pulsing?

> >

> > I pulsed a bit of everything else but NEVER andrographis. It was

(and

> > is) my wonder herb. It is still ART testing positive for me

after 12

> > months of practically uninterupted use.

> >

> > But I guess everyone is different. Some can't tolerate andro

well. I

> > can't tolerate Knotweed well.

> >

> > Antother herb I took for ages was sarsaparilla. But I never

felt 'in

> > danger' if I stopped it. I'm not taking it for the moment.

Neither

> > cats claw. But I took them for many months with little

interruption.

> >

> > What I did was to add or substitute a herb / herbs, changing my

> > protocol every 3 weeks. I am using teasel now, I tried

forsythia,

> > gardenia, artemisia annua whole herb (wonderful against lyme in

my

> > opinion)... But my rule was 'never stop the gentle killing'.

> >

> > Sometimes I added a virus killer, or a fungal killer and dropped

some

> > of the lyme killers. St. 's wort helped as well as lots of

frozen

> > garlic. Now I'm trying Rizols, said to act against bartonela and

> > funghi. The only herb of the CP I'm taking for the moment is

> > andrographis. It's still working, though I don't think I herx

> > anymore...

> >

> > Good luck! Keep us posted about your trials!

> > Selma

> >

>

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January 19, 2007

HI Wallace, glad you survived!!!

I would introduce andro as the last herb. In order, first

sarsaparilla, then cats claw (low doses), then knotweed (slow doses)

then andro. I never read about a lyme sufferer that didn't react to

andro so far. Is there anyone??

Astragalus is an easy herb, if you take it (some lyme sufferers can

take it, even late stage, depending on your Th1/ Th2 balance), you

can take loads of it (if I understand Buhner well, he said it's

totally non-toxic, he wrote it to me in an email and recommended it

strongly to my 2 year old daughter). I took it altogether with the

others.

When you re-start with andro, start with half a pill or even 1/4. And

do the protocol then with 3/4 a pill A DAY, then increase when you

feel your herxes are supportable.

Just my own opinion on how I would do it all again. After more than a

year on andro, I'm still on 4 andro a day. That's my good dose, it

was 3 a day for months and months! I don't see improvement anymore

now, but I did see during almost a year, even on that low doses.

Don't mess up taking more than what you can handle, because your body

may react and simply get an 'allergic' reaction to it, and you may

lose the herb forever (or for a long time). These herbs are precious,

each of them. I may have lost the ability to take knotweed because I

kept taking it, even though my body didn't want it. It's just a

guess, but before I could take it easily, now I react so strongly to

it. I'm afraid I lost this herb, which makes me sad.

I'm fighting bart now, and knotweed is said to be herb number 1

against it. See what I mean??

Steve here reported also a strange reaction to andro, he believes he

got an allergy to it and also fears he lost the herb (at least

temporarily). Not to make you afraid, just to be on the careful side.

Selma

January 20, 2007

I had absolutely no problems ramping up on Andrographis to my 12 pills a day max

for several months. The ONE problem I did have, was when I was trying to get

started on Coptis and still took ONE Andro the first day of Coptis. I also was

on Artemisia annua at the time. I had a TERRIBLE reaction. I had to quit ALL

herbs for a few days, then gradually re-introduce them one at a time. Took me

several weeks to recuperate from that one. I never have been quite the same

since, I don't think.

I am going to quit taking the Coptis pretty soon now, and then will

re-introduce the Andrographis back in to my regimen. One a day at first, then

two a day, then three a day, etc., etc.. Maybe will only go up to 8 a day this

time. I will decide when that time comes.

Jim.

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