Rocehin, Herxing and such,

[Guest guest]

Rocephin, Herxing and such,

I also had a lot of itching before the antibiotics but on 2 grams Rocephin and

1,000 mgs oral Flagyl I have none. Visited my doctor and he told me some

interesting

things that during the cycle where the endotoxins from dead spirochetes are

entering

your blood stream you can get irritation of the lining of the blood vessels

known as

vasculitis and that causes itching or burning and can also trigger your immune

system

and itself give you hives. They check your eosinophils to see if you are having

a serious

allergic reaction to the med then they adjust it up and down and test the

response again

and make some decisions. Rocehin has reduced my joint pain and that profound

fatigue.

I also ended up in the hospital from side effects of doxycycline and my

pharmacist said

it is a very problematic medicine. This was not during Lyme treatent

either....it was just

5 days preoperative dose for a hysterectomy.

My Lyme literate internist also told me that when you are diabetic and

experience die-off your blood sugar

raises as it is accomodating glucose from the creatures. He definitely believes

that

the immune system flares up in everyone who goes through treatment and he is

very

familiar with all the ins and outs from treating people in Germany. They use

magnesium

there to combat spasms and cramps too. I take 400mgs some days and 200 mgs extra

whenever the spasms demand. I also use 5 mgs of valium if needed when they are

really

tenacious.

Right now I have a flare of vasculitis and intermittant fevers and night sweats

and we

check my urine and cbc and blood chemistries to determine if any of this is " too

much "

on the body. I don't feel that it is ......I am willing to do whatever it takes

to effect some

kind of change since I have never been treated for this. I have been ill with

lupus and other

diseases way before Lyme so I know in myself that the human body is very tough

and not

easily compromised when you monitor yourself closely and make new decisions

whenever

you really need to. I take massive amounts of Acidophilus/ probiotics and have

no gi effects

unless the candida gets wild.....and then along with all the dietary candida

restrictions I take

Diflucan and brush my tongue a lot and chew acidophilus tablets. There will

always be some

level of candida with me.

Nausea is something really predictable for me......late at night......early in

the morning.

I take 12-15 capsules of pancreatic glandular with 16 ozs. water on an empty

stomach

in the a.m. and p.m. being careful not to eat within an hour of that time. The

enzymes enter

into the blood stream and scavenge up the endotoxins which are making me

nauseated.

After an hour I feel just fine and ready to eat.

Anytime I learn something, I would be happy to share it all with you........

You can go to my website and use any of the hypertext links at the tops of the

paragraphs to access whatever info you want. A resource and prices for the

pancreatic

glandulars are under..you guessed it....Pancreatic Glandulars. Buying in bulk is

by far

the best way to go......I couldn't begin to afford the ones in the health food

stores!!

www.cmc.net/~jadevoll

Love and care,

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cjdevoll@... writes:

<< This was not during Lyme treatent either....it was just

5 days preoperative dose for a hysterectomy. >>

pre-op antibiotics?? a full 5 days prior? never heard of that practice. b

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cjdevoll@... writes:

<< I take 12-15 capsules of pancreatic glandular with 16 ozs. water on an

empty stomach >>

I would be interested for more info on this as noone I have known has ever

used such a product..What is its' purpose? Seems like 12-15 pills alone

could cause the nausea by itself....somedays I wish they could just make a

cream so we could ooze all this stuff in our bodies without having to swallow

it all <sigh> Bernadette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cjdevoll@... writes:

<< . A resource and prices for the pancreatic

glandulars are under..you guessed it....Pancreatic Glandulars. >>

doh...sorry for the question prior..often I post as I read...but I had been

to your web site and didn't get to the area with the info I guess b

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/99 5:37:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Namkrats3@... writes:

<< My daughter's ENT put her on Biaxin a week before her tonsils were

removed. He said that it was a precautionary measure, as he would not

want to operate if she developed an infection prior to the surgery. >>

I can see it given in children and your ent doing it for your child because

usually stept infections are a pre-cursor to the decision to remove tonsils,

my daughter had strep months b4 her tonscillectomy.....(but no pre-op

dosing of antibiotics days before)

but I have never seen prophylactic antibiotics given except for

tonscillectomies and dental work...especially not for a " clean surgery " like

a hysterectomy...

Hospitals will even allow a post-hyst patient on the ob floor, as they are

considered " clean " ...just sharing what I have seen.....

ps Cheryl...is there anyplace to learn something about those glandulars??

Your web site didn't say much except for the fact that you are taking

them....Do you feel it is your celiac that makes you .......more than the

typical Lyme patient a candidate for especially needing them??? or do you

just feel in general they are very necessary for a Lyme patient?

Has anyone else had experience with them?? I would love to learn

more...Bernadette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/99 5:37:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Namkrats3@... writes:

<< Hope you're all doing well,,,Joan LI NY >>

just got put on quinine and cleocin for babesia....err yeah I am ok B

[Guest guest]

Wow, Cheryl...sounds like you have a great LLMD! Thanks for sharing the

info.

I was wondering what effect the Doxy had on you that you had to be

hospitalized...I passed out last month and was taken to the ER. My blood

pressure was extremely low. I was on Biaxin and Doxy at the same time,

and I felt that it was too much for me to handle. My LLMD took me off

the Doxy and BP meds, and thankfully it hasn't happened again.

I also take Magnesium for the spasms and twitches...seems to help.

Take care! Joan LI NY

From: " Cheryl Robbins-DeVoll " <cjdevoll@...>

Rocephin, Herxing and such,

I also had a lot of itching before the antibiotics but on 2 grams Rocephin and

1,000 mgs oral Flagyl I have none. Visited my doctor and he told me some

interesting

things that during the cycle where the endotoxins from dead spirochetes are

entering

your blood stream you can get irritation of the lining of the blood vessels

known as

vasculitis and that causes itching or burning and can also trigger your immune

system

and itself give you hives. They check your eosinophils to see if you are having

a serious

allergic reaction to the med then they adjust it up and down and test the

response again

and make some decisions. Rocehin has reduced my joint pain and that profound

fatigue.

I also ended up in the hospital from side effects of doxycycline and my

pharmacist said

it is a very problematic medicine. This was not during Lyme treatent

either....it was just

5 days preoperative dose for a hysterectomy.

My Lyme literate internist also told me that when you are diabetic and

experience die-off your blood sugar

raises as it is accomodating glucose from the creatures. He definitely

believes that

the immune system flares up in everyone who goes through treatment and he is

very

familiar with all the ins and outs from treating people in Germany. They use

magnesium

there to combat spasms and cramps too. I take 400mgs some days and 200 mgs extra

whenever the spasms demand. I also use 5 mgs of valium if needed when they are

really

tenacious.

Right now I have a flare of vasculitis and intermittant fevers and night sweats

and we

check my urine and cbc and blood chemistries to determine if any of this

is " too much "

on the body. I don't feel that it is ......I am willing to do whatever it takes

to effect some

kind of change since I have never been treated for this. I have been ill with

lupus and other

diseases way before Lyme so I know in myself that the human body is very tough

and not

easily compromised when you monitor yourself closely and make new decisions

whenever

you really need to. I take massive amounts of Acidophilus/ probiotics and have

no gi effects

unless the candida gets wild.....and then along with all the dietary candida

restrictions I take

Diflucan and brush my tongue a lot and chew acidophilus tablets. There will

always be some

level of candida with me.

Nausea is something really predictable for me......late at night......early in

the morning.

I take 12-15 capsules of pancreatic glandular with 16 ozs. water on an empty

stomach

in the a.m. and p.m. being careful not to eat within an hour of that time. The

enzymes enter

into the blood stream and scavenge up the endotoxins which are making me

nauseated.

After an hour I feel just fine and ready to eat.

Anytime I learn something, I would be happy to share it all with you........

You can go to my website and use any of the hypertext links at the tops of the

paragraphs to access whatever info you want. A resource and prices for the

pancreatic

glandulars are under..you guessed it....Pancreatic Glandulars. Buying in bulk

is by far

the best way to go......I couldn't begin to afford the ones in the health food

stores!!

www.cmc.net/~jadevoll

Love and care,

Cheryl

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Hi Bernadette,

My daughter's ENT put her on Biaxin a week before her tonsils were

removed. He said that it was a precautionary measure, as he would not

want to operate if she developed an infection prior to the surgery.

Hope you're all doing well,,,Joan LI NY

From: BratDet@...

In a message dated 10/6/99 11:46:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

cjdevoll@... writes:

<< This was not during Lyme treatent either....it was just

5 days preoperative dose for a hysterectomy. >>

pre-op antibiotics?? a full 5 days prior? never heard of that practice. b

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