EDTA

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>On a personal note, my son coincidentally got his first IV of EDTAthis morning. Needless to say, and I were shaken by the news.Will we do another IV? We're not sure yet, but we will certainlykeep on chelating.<

I am surprised that our kids are being treating with EDTA. I thought it was only DMSA and DMPS. My mom got EDTA intravenously with Dr. Trowbridge as her physician. She was being treated for Alzheimer's/heart disease. We saw an improvement in her mental functioning but she abandoned the treatment and has gotten worse very quickly.

C.

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>On a personal note, my son coincidentally got his first IV of EDTAthis morning. Needless to say, and I were shaken by the news.Will we do another IV? We're not sure yet, but we will certainlykeep on chelating.<

I am surprised that our kids are being treating with EDTA. I thought it was only DMSA and DMPS. My mom got EDTA intravenously with Dr. Trowbridge as her physician. She was being treated for Alzheimer's/heart disease. We saw an improvement in her mental functioning but she abandoned the treatment and has gotten worse very quickly.

C.

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The way I understand this is that IV-EDTA is being used to chelate

lead from kids, which is FDA approved. In adults, it was found to

help the heart (I posted on this earlier today..an NIH study being

done) so many adults have had this treatment, which is not FDA

approved..yet. The study was started in 2002 and to be completed in

2008? Anyway, what happened today, imho..a tragic event, but should

not be even looked at as alternative treatment, though not a DAN

protocal procedure.

In EOHarm , " Carlson " <cathykay@e...> wrote:

> >On a personal note, my son coincidentally got his first IV of EDTA

> this morning. Needless to say, and I were shaken by the news.

> Will we do another IV? We're not sure yet, but we will certainly

> keep on chelating.<

>

> I am surprised that our kids are being treating with EDTA. I

thought it was only DMSA and DMPS. My mom got EDTA intravenously with

Dr. Trowbridge as her physician. She was being treated for

Alzheimer's/heart disease. We saw an improvement in her mental

functioning but she abandoned the treatment and has gotten worse very

quickly.

>

> C.

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:14:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

I know I told Rich I was going to try the oral EDTA so thought I'd report in

after starting that. I haven't gotten my metals testing back yet but I know

I'm loaded no matter what the tests say because I just had that 4 tooth

bridge piece drilled off last summer, and it had metal under it and I still

have 7

metal crowns left in my mouth, so thats a heavy load of metals to carry

around for a sick person.

send me the pre and post EDTA mercury levels

joy

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:36:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

Joy,

I can tell you my results on the urine toxic metals test I had done before

doing EDTA when I get my results back. Then I'll be doing DMSA, I prob won't

be getting the metals retested for awhile again because this is all out of

pocket expense for me and I can't work. But I will send you what I can afford

to get when I get it if you are interested. Maybe I'll just make up some kind

of packet for you with pertinent info on the metals stuff to share with you

guys.

The mercury should be tested within 24-36 hours after DMSA administration so

take the DMSA prior to your taking the blood test. Dr Enlander says the test

is at best a superficial indication of mercury toxicity. The idea was

provoked by the interest in mercury toxicity in this group. Even though it may

be

superficial, it may however give us some idea of mercury levels in CFS

patients as compared to the normal population.

Joy

Research assistant to Dr Enlander

_www.enlander.com_ (http://www.enlander.com/)

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Joy,

I can tell you my results on the urine toxic metals test I had done before doing

EDTA when I get my results back. Then I'll be doing DMSA, I prob won't be

getting the metals retested for awhile again because this is all out of pocket

expense for me and I can't work. But I will send you what I can afford to get

when I get it if you are interested. Maybe I'll just make up some kind of

packet for you with pertinent info on the metals stuff to share with you guys.

Marcia

Re: EDTA

In a message dated 1/17/2006 12:14:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

I know I told Rich I was going to try the oral EDTA so thought I'd report in

after starting that. I haven't gotten my metals testing back yet but I know

I'm loaded no matter what the tests say because I just had that 4 tooth

bridge piece drilled off last summer, and it had metal under it and I still

have 7

metal crowns left in my mouth, so thats a heavy load of metals to carry

around for a sick person.

send me the pre and post EDTA mercury levels

joy

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Hi, Marcia.

Thanks for posting your early results with oral EDTA chelation. It

sounds as though something good is happening. Be sure to take

plenty of zinc, especially, during the breaks. EDTA loves to take

out zinc.

Rich

>

> I know I told Rich I was going to try the oral EDTA so thought I'd

report in after starting that. I haven't gotten my metals testing

back yet but I know I'm loaded no matter what the tests say because

I just had that 4 tooth bridge piece drilled off last summer, and it

had metal under it and I still have 7 metal crowns left in my mouth,

so thats a heavy load of metals to carry around for a sick person.

>

> The bottle says to take a capsule twice a day so I did, after the

3rd cap tho I got a bit hot and weak and dizzy at night so backed

off a day and then started again. I dont' feel sick from it, but

its making some strange lumps and bumps and sores on my tongue,

which is not surprising, I've had sores and fissures on my tongue

since that bad dental bridge went on 12 years ago. This is different

tho and seems to be the whole tongue is involved, I'm guessing the

EDTA is trying to bring metals out that way too? Anyway, it does

not make me 'sick' in any other way. The most amazing thing tho is

last night I slept without waking for 4 whole hours, this is unheard

of for me. I have tried all the sleep meds but they usually don't

work anyway and make me so much more tired and weak the next day

that I can't deal with it, have tried all the herbal and other stuff

too, nothing worked. One of the probs was I was having to get up and

pee during the night more and more often, so couldn't go more than 1

to 2 hrs all night getting up to pee. If you take a sleep med and

then have to do that you are really miserable trying to muster the

strength to get to the bathroom. Anyway, I finally was able to sleep

for a 4 hr stretch last night and then did not get up to pee again

for 4 and 1/2 MORE hours!!! I know Rich you had made a post (or

maybe more) awhile back about how metals would cause this frequent

urination problem, which is obviously why I/we get so dehydrated. I

am so thrilled to even have one night rid of it. I've tested my

blood sugar in the past to make sure I'm not diabetic and that was

causing the urination but thats not the cause. So will keep you

posted on how EDTA works for me. I'd way rather clear up the cause

of my sleep probs that medicate it and cover it up, so please no

rec's for drugs/things to take for sleep.

>

> I don't know if I'd rec. it for others, this is just a 'report' on

how I'm doing on it. I would not take it if ones mineral levels were

low, because it might leach out a lot of my mins as well, but mine

were tested last spring and way up in high normal ranges from

supplementing diligently for years. So I'll 'try' and take this a

couple weeks, then stop to rebuild my mineral levels and re-evaluate

and see if I want to do more of it. Then I will go on to work with

the ND and do the DMSA in the next few months, which will help get

the mercury out (EDTA is not very good for chelating out merc, just

other metals like lead). Its the stuff they use IV for heart

patients to clean out their arteries. The oral supplement was only

$7 a bottle and I prob won't need more than one bottle, two at the

most for all the treatment I'll do with it I'm guessing. Of course

its also full of Mag stearate.... I hope I reach the day I can cut

out a LOT/most of the supps that have that, as its built up too high

in me from too many years of so many supplements with it.

>

> Marcia

>

>

>

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The urine toxic metals test that I just took that I'm waiting results on was

done with an oral DMPS challenge.

Marcia

Re: EDTA

In a message dated 1/17/2006 4:36:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

mgrahn@... writes:

Joy,

I can tell you my results on the urine toxic metals test I had done before

doing EDTA when I get my results back. Then I'll be doing DMSA, I prob won't

be getting the metals retested for awhile again because this is all out of

pocket expense for me and I can't work. But I will send you what I can

afford

to get when I get it if you are interested. Maybe I'll just make up some

kind

of packet for you with pertinent info on the metals stuff to share with you

guys.

The mercury should be tested within 24-36 hours after DMSA administration so

take the DMSA prior to your taking the blood test. Dr Enlander says the test

is at best a superficial indication of mercury toxicity. The idea was

provoked by the interest in mercury toxicity in this group. Even though it

may be

superficial, it may however give us some idea of mercury levels in CFS

patients as compared to the normal population.

Joy

Research assistant to Dr Enlander

_www.enlander.com_ (http://www.enlander.com/)

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I haven't, but it looks similar to one my father used years back by Dr.

Donsbach. Took it for a couple years or so. When he had a test done,

he had clear carotid artieries, so it seemed to work. He never noticed

any bad reactions.

I'd been going to ask, and I think it would fit here, has anyone tested

high for aluminum? Getting the mercury and that out I believe will

help a lot, since it's a conductor.

Question is, how to stay free when it's out, as there is an aluminum

plant in the valley. Clear across in another town, but no matter the

direction, people will test high, even if we don't use the cookware or

antiperspirants, baking powder. Well, it's in a lot more, but it's in

the air here too, and chemtrails, even if we didn't have the plant.

I've read selenium helps keep some metals out, but I haven't looked to

see if aluminum is one yet.

~ Snoshoe

>

> Has anyone done this program?

> http://www.detoxamin.com/index.asp?pgid=1

>

>

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Just wondering what is the science behind why EDTA is bad for mercury toxic

people? Anyone know? Thanks!