Re: finally an update, need help!!

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You can not get good help unless you go to a reproductive

endocrinologist. Those doctors that are new to testosterone replacment

therapy are not trained in endocrinology. They get their technical

information from pharmaceutical reps who want to sell expensive

products. They usually are not very interested in finding answers for

people.

You will be wasting your money on visits and prescriptions unless you

get the right doctor. You may have to travel several hundred miles to

find a good doctor.

ernestnolan

>

> I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got started

> on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

> could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

> site my wife called and asked some questions about treatment, hcg, ect

> the receptionist got mad and hung up on her. Guess she had a bad day

lol.

> I finally got my records from the uro. I called him last week

> because I have went downhill so bad this last month. I asked for an

> estrogen test and he refused, said it is not a test for men and would

> not do it. He did do a testosterone test but I have not received it

> yet. I'm having bad ed again and all the aches and pains are back,

> absolutely no libido. Gyno seems to be getting worse even though I've

> lost 16 pounds.

> I dont like to whine but I've had a very bad couple of years.

> Severe carbon monxide poisoning over several months, Old gp diagnosed

> this, went to uro bacause of metalic smell in urine and waste (heavy

> metals from bad exaust in 18 wheller I was driving) He thought I was

> stupid but did test my testosterone only because I asked three times.

> Came back 140, also found out I was diabetic. Nearly divorced and

> other personal stuff So I'm afraid my health has came last. I have got

> a handle on personal stuff so now can concentrate on getting well.

> My tests so far

> 1st tests 01-27-06

> test 140 range 350-890

> Had a lot of other test if you need them wife will type for me.

>

> 2nd tests 02-15-06

> prolacton 12.8 ref. 4.1-18.4

> Lh 3.9 ref 1.7-8.6

> Fsh 3.5 ref 1.5-12.4

> Hbc a1c 7.0 ref 4.8-6.0

> uro said I had Primary Hypogonadism and put on 5gr androgel at this

time.

>

> retested again 3 months later. This was when I told him my body quit

> producing its own from reading on this site, and he got mad at me and

> asked how I knew that.

>

> 3rd tests 05-22-06

> test 209 ref 350-890

> glucose fasting 121 ref 70-105

>

> put on 10gr androgel

>

> Been somewhat of a roller coaster ride since the 10gr but overall

> it has been a GOD send. My wife has noticed I have more energy, before

> I was coming home hurting and so tired I couldn't imagine living

> another 20 years and still be alive. Had no sex drive and I realize I

> should have taken initiative years ago when I lost my sex drive and

> found out what was wrong for my wifes sake. I was so pig headed and

> ashamed and in denial I never thought of her needs for sex, or that

> she blamed it on herself for my lack of desire. However the last month

> I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

> estrogen thats high.

> I'm 43 yrs old 6.0' 270 down from 286. Me and wife figured out as

> best we could my problems started when I was in my late twenties early

> thirties and has gone downhill since.

> I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

> limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

> hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You can not get good help unless you go to a reproductive

endocrinologist. Those doctors that are new to testosterone replacment

therapy are not trained in endocrinology. They get their technical

information from pharmaceutical reps who want to sell expensive

products. They usually are not very interested in finding answers for

people.

You will be wasting your money on visits and prescriptions unless you

get the right doctor. You may have to travel several hundred miles to

find a good doctor.

ernestnolan

>

> I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got started

> on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

> could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

> site my wife called and asked some questions about treatment, hcg, ect

> the receptionist got mad and hung up on her. Guess she had a bad day

lol.

> I finally got my records from the uro. I called him last week

> because I have went downhill so bad this last month. I asked for an

> estrogen test and he refused, said it is not a test for men and would

> not do it. He did do a testosterone test but I have not received it

> yet. I'm having bad ed again and all the aches and pains are back,

> absolutely no libido. Gyno seems to be getting worse even though I've

> lost 16 pounds.

> I dont like to whine but I've had a very bad couple of years.

> Severe carbon monxide poisoning over several months, Old gp diagnosed

> this, went to uro bacause of metalic smell in urine and waste (heavy

> metals from bad exaust in 18 wheller I was driving) He thought I was

> stupid but did test my testosterone only because I asked three times.

> Came back 140, also found out I was diabetic. Nearly divorced and

> other personal stuff So I'm afraid my health has came last. I have got

> a handle on personal stuff so now can concentrate on getting well.

> My tests so far

> 1st tests 01-27-06

> test 140 range 350-890

> Had a lot of other test if you need them wife will type for me.

>

> 2nd tests 02-15-06

> prolacton 12.8 ref. 4.1-18.4

> Lh 3.9 ref 1.7-8.6

> Fsh 3.5 ref 1.5-12.4

> Hbc a1c 7.0 ref 4.8-6.0

> uro said I had Primary Hypogonadism and put on 5gr androgel at this

time.

>

> retested again 3 months later. This was when I told him my body quit

> producing its own from reading on this site, and he got mad at me and

> asked how I knew that.

>

> 3rd tests 05-22-06

> test 209 ref 350-890

> glucose fasting 121 ref 70-105

>

> put on 10gr androgel

>

> Been somewhat of a roller coaster ride since the 10gr but overall

> it has been a GOD send. My wife has noticed I have more energy, before

> I was coming home hurting and so tired I couldn't imagine living

> another 20 years and still be alive. Had no sex drive and I realize I

> should have taken initiative years ago when I lost my sex drive and

> found out what was wrong for my wifes sake. I was so pig headed and

> ashamed and in denial I never thought of her needs for sex, or that

> she blamed it on herself for my lack of desire. However the last month

> I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

> estrogen thats high.

> I'm 43 yrs old 6.0' 270 down from 286. Me and wife figured out as

> best we could my problems started when I was in my late twenties early

> thirties and has gone downhill since.

> I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

> limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

> hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

>

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 18:16:29 -0000, you wrote:

>However the last month

>I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

>estrogen thats high.

Almost certainly. But be specific in your language when you talk to

your doctor. It is estradiol also known as E2 that is high. It is only

one of several forms of estrogen. You want an E2 test, not an

estrogen test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:43:56 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Hi,

>

>You can not get good help unless you go to a reproductive

>endocrinologist. Those doctors that are new to testosterone replacment

>therapy are not trained in endocrinology. They get their technical

>information from pharmaceutical reps who want to sell expensive

>products. They usually are not very interested in finding answers for

>people.

>

>You will be wasting your money on visits and prescriptions unless you

>get the right doctor. You may have to travel several hundred miles to

>find a good doctor.

A lot of folks are finding urologists to be very helpful and even well

informed.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 01:44:46 -0000, you wrote:

> However the last month

>> I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

>> estrogen thats high.

I note your Doc refused an " estrogen test " . Aside from asking for E2

present him/her with some of the E2 info from www.allthingsmale.com to

educate the doc.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Allan - Based on your description, I believe you are correct. Your E2 is

probably sky high and your prolactin is high. Personally, I would request an E2

test first and look into why your prolactin is high. You should be evaluated for

a tumor.

Arkansas

Allan <alclerc@...> wrote:

I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got started

on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

site my wife called and asked some questions about treatment, hcg, ect

the receptionist got mad and hung up on her. Guess she had a bad day lol.

I finally got my records from the uro. I called him last week

because I have went downhill so bad this last month. I asked for an

estrogen test and he refused, said it is not a test for men and would

not do it. He did do a testosterone test but I have not received it

yet. I'm having bad ed again and all the aches and pains are back,

absolutely no libido. Gyno seems to be getting worse even though I've

lost 16 pounds.

I dont like to whine but I've had a very bad couple of years.

Severe carbon monxide poisoning over several months, Old gp diagnosed

this, went to uro bacause of metalic smell in urine and waste (heavy

metals from bad exaust in 18 wheller I was driving) He thought I was

stupid but did test my testosterone only because I asked three times.

Came back 140, also found out I was diabetic. Nearly divorced and

other personal stuff So I'm afraid my health has came last. I have got

a handle on personal stuff so now can concentrate on getting well.

My tests so far

1st tests 01-27-06

test 140 range 350-890

Had a lot of other test if you need them wife will type for me.

2nd tests 02-15-06

prolacton 12.8 ref. 4.1-18.4

Lh 3.9 ref 1.7-8.6

Fsh 3.5 ref 1.5-12.4

Hbc a1c 7.0 ref 4.8-6.0

uro said I had Primary Hypogonadism and put on 5gr androgel at this time.

retested again 3 months later. This was when I told him my body quit

producing its own from reading on this site, and he got mad at me and

asked how I knew that.

3rd tests 05-22-06

test 209 ref 350-890

glucose fasting 121 ref 70-105

put on 10gr androgel

Been somewhat of a roller coaster ride since the 10gr but overall

it has been a GOD send. My wife has noticed I have more energy, before

I was coming home hurting and so tired I couldn't imagine living

another 20 years and still be alive. Had no sex drive and I realize I

should have taken initiative years ago when I lost my sex drive and

found out what was wrong for my wifes sake. I was so pig headed and

ashamed and in denial I never thought of her needs for sex, or that

she blamed it on herself for my lack of desire. However the last month

I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

estrogen thats high.

I'm 43 yrs old 6.0' 270 down from 286. Me and wife figured out as

best we could my problems started when I was in my late twenties early

thirties and has gone downhill since.

I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

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> I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got

started

> on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

> could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

> site my wife called and asked some questions about treatment, hcg, ect

> the receptionist got mad and hung up on her. Guess she had a bad day

lol.

> I finally got my records from the uro. I called him last week

> because I have went downhill so bad this last month. I asked for an

> estrogen test and he refused, said it is not a test for men and would

> not do it. He did do a testosterone test but I have not received it

> yet. I'm having bad ed again and all the aches and pains are back,

> absolutely no libido. Gyno seems to be getting worse even though I've

> lost 16 pounds.

> I dont like to whine but I've had a very bad couple of years.

> Severe carbon monxide poisoning over several months, Old gp diagnosed

> this, went to uro bacause of metalic smell in urine and waste (heavy

> metals from bad exaust in 18 wheller I was driving) He thought I was

> stupid but did test my testosterone only because I asked three times.

> Came back 140, also found out I was diabetic. Nearly divorced and

> other personal stuff So I'm afraid my health has came last. I have got

> a handle on personal stuff so now can concentrate on getting well.

> My tests so far

> 1st tests 01-27-06

> test 140 range 350-890

> Had a lot of other test if you need them wife will type for me.

>

> 2nd tests 02-15-06

> prolacton 12.8 ref. 4.1-18.4

> Lh 3.9 ref 1.7-8.6

> Fsh 3.5 ref 1.5-12.4

> Hbc a1c 7.0 ref 4.8-6.0

> uro said I had Primary Hypogonadism and put on 5gr androgel at this

time.

>

> retested again 3 months later. This was when I told him my body quit

> producing its own from reading on this site, and he got mad at me and

> asked how I knew that.

>

> 3rd tests 05-22-06

> test 209 ref 350-890

> glucose fasting 121 ref 70-105

>

> put on 10gr androgel

>

> Been somewhat of a roller coaster ride since the 10gr but overall

> it has been a GOD send. My wife has noticed I have more energy, before

> I was coming home hurting and so tired I couldn't imagine living

> another 20 years and still be alive. Had no sex drive and I realize I

> should have taken initiative years ago when I lost my sex drive and

> found out what was wrong for my wifes sake. I was so pig headed and

> ashamed and in denial I never thought of her needs for sex, or that

> she blamed it on herself for my lack of desire. However the last month

> I've gone downhill fast and from reading on this site I feel it's my

> estrogen thats high.

> I'm 43 yrs old 6.0' 270 down from 286. Me and wife figured out as

> best we could my problems started when I was in my late twenties early

> thirties and has gone downhill since.

> I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

> limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

> hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

When I saw this, I had to provide an update of my own. I'm now

starting my second year on TRT. My life has changed completely 9000%

for the better. I am living proof you have to be willing to " go the

distance " to get top-notch treatment. I live in Va, and spent most of

a year trying to find someone here to treat me. I got the runaround

time after time, including at our " famous " fertility clinic as well as

our " famous " endocrine center. After almost a year of this I got a tip

from a sufferer on this group (I forget his name) who had since moved

to California. He said I might try talking to Dr. Hulinsky, who lives

in CT, 9 hours away. I bit the bullet and made the drive. He agreed to

treat me via phone if I agreed to come in person once a year. He's

also treating my diabetes now - my blood sugars are now those of a

non-diabetic. My T stays in the upper range where my muscles and bones

don't ache anymore, and it's cheap because I do my own injections. He

recently started me on Arimidex, which cuts my TRT costs considerably.

A year's supply is $10, I don't need to buy $60 worth of Indoplex a

month anymore. What I'm trying to say is don't be afraid to drive

however far it takes to reach a doctor someone here knows and trusts.

I can't say enough good things about Dr H - he gave me my life back.

Someone will do the same for you, dont let the drive sweat you.

Regards,

Louis

>

> I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got started

> on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

> could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

<snip>

> I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

> limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

> hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the post Louis it does help a lot the big problem is Dr.'s for this

problem. It's good to see your doing so well.

Phil

lnardozi <lnardozi@...> wrote:

When I saw this, I had to provide an update of my own. I'm now

starting my second year on TRT. My life has changed completely 9000%

for the better. I am living proof you have to be willing to " go the

distance " to get top-notch treatment. I live in Va, and spent most of

a year trying to find someone here to treat me. I got the runaround

time after time, including at our " famous " fertility clinic as well as

our " famous " endocrine center. After almost a year of this I got a tip

from a sufferer on this group (I forget his name) who had since moved

to California. He said I might try talking to Dr. Hulinsky, who lives

in CT, 9 hours away. I bit the bullet and made the drive. He agreed to

treat me via phone if I agreed to come in person once a year. He's

also treating my diabetes now - my blood sugars are now those of a

non-diabetic. My T stays in the upper range where my muscles and bones

don't ache anymore, and it's cheap because I do my own injections. He

recently started me on Arimidex, which cuts my TRT costs considerably.

A year's supply is $10, I don't need to buy $60 worth of Indoplex a

month anymore. What I'm trying to say is don't be afraid to drive

however far it takes to reach a doctor someone here knows and trusts.

I can't say enough good things about Dr H - he gave me my life back.

Someone will do the same for you, dont let the drive sweat you.

Regards,

Louis

>

> I'm sorry about the the time between posts I finally got started

> on finding another doc, Go to see him 10-04-06. He is an Internist, I

> could not find an Endo. The only endo in lufkin I found through this

<snip>

> I apretiate any help you guys can give me, Keep in mind I have

> limited access to good docs unless I drive to Houston which is three

> hours away. I am willing to go if anyone knows a good doc there though.

>

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