Re: TRT with HCG

[Guest guest]

In my opinion, you are mis-stating the gel dosage- you must mean

10grams and not MG as 1 mg wouldn't be enough to revive a sand flea.

Anyway- if you are on 10g, I would ride it out and see what

happens...and your Dr. is great! Keep it up. Increase your water

intake to 8 glasses a day, which is what everyone should do anyway,

and the headaches disappear (or did for me I should say.) Good

luck...and I'll bet you feel good by the end of next week.

>

> Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going to

> put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

have

> been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

the

> Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to be

> Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin syringes.

> He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius of

> HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

>

> I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

the

> Arimidex.

>

> I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

and

> never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see what

> it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

> Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

day

> of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

wants

> gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

Crisler

> protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc in

5-

> 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

opinion.

> Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check

my

> labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests at

> heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> appreciated! thanks, Hank

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Hank,

Your Dr. is doing what Dr. trys first he puts his men on Androgel or a

cream first then if things don't pan out he the trys shots. Sounds like your in

good hands. Yes some men just starting TRT will have there E2 come down and the

headache should go away when your body gets use to the new levels of T. Take

something for the headache. Just make sure you test E2 next test.

Phil

maverick_2414 <maverick_2414@...> wrote:

Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going to

put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I have

been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on the

Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to be

Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin syringes.

He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius of

HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without the

Arimidex.

I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy and

never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see what

it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a day

of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he wants

gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the Crisler

protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc in 5-

6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my opinion.

Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check my

labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests at

heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

appreciated! thanks, Hank

[Guest guest]

Dave, thanks for the feedback! I am new to the gel so you are

probably right. Its a big syringe with 60 " doses " of about a dime

size amount per dose. Does that sound correct? I have already

started drinking more water as I write this. Don't like headaches

but then again, who does! All the best, Hank

> >

> > Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

to

> > put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

> have

> > been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> > Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

> the

> > Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> > shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to

be

> > Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> > compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin

syringes.

> > He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius

of

> > HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

> >

> > I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> > explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> > thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

> the

> > Arimidex.

> >

> > I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

> and

> > never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see

what

> > it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a

headache.

> > Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> > Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

> day

> > of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

> wants

> > gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

> Crisler

> > protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc

in

> 5-

> > 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

> opinion.

> > Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check

> my

> > labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> > consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests

at

> > heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> > appreciated! thanks, Hank

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First thing is 10% compounded creams are 2 to 3 times stronger this androgel or

testim. But my old script says 10 mgs. even. I put 5 mgs on each forearm and

this was the highest dose you could do. So 1mg sounds low.

Phil

maverick_2414 <maverick_2414@...> wrote:

Dave, thanks for the feedback! I am new to the gel so you are

probably right. Its a big syringe with 60 " doses " of about a dime

size amount per dose. Does that sound correct? I have already

started drinking more water as I write this. Don't like headaches

but then again, who does! All the best, Hank

> >

> > Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

to

> > put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

> have

> > been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> > Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

> the

> > Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> > shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to

be

> > Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> > compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin

syringes.

> > He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius

of

> > HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

> >

> > I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> > explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> > thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

> the

> > Arimidex.

> >

> > I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

> and

> > never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see

what

> > it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a

headache.

> > Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> > Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

> day

> > of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

> wants

> > gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

> Crisler

> > protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc

in

> 5-

> > 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

> opinion.

> > Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check

> my

> > labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> > consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests

at

> > heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> > appreciated! thanks, Hank

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, thanks for the reply. I saw your other message about my

dosage on the gel and it concerned me a bit. I got the 10%

testosterone gel with a 1ml dosage per day (about the size of a

dime). You commented that it was a small amount and I agree. Do

you think I should ask for a higher dose? I am on this 1mg and

125ius of HCG daily. Retest in 60-80 days per doc. I have to

mention that I follow the antidepressant messages on here very

intensely. I have been on 50mg of Paxil for years. I am very

suspicious that my " depression " might have been low testosterone all

along. I want to get feeling good on the TRT and then talk with my

Dr. about getting off the Paxil. thanks! Hank

> Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

to

> put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I have

> been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on the

> Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to be

> Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin syringes.

> He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius of

> HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

>

> I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

the

> Arimidex.

>

> I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

and

> never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see what

> it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

> Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a day

> of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he wants

> gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

Crisler

> protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc in

5-

> 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my opinion.

> Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check my

> labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests at

> heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> appreciated! thanks, Hank

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hank,

2 years ago, I came off 20 mgs. of Paxil (and am now on 5 mgs. of

Prozac - ie. not even medicinal dosage). Paxil is one bear of a

drug to get off of/switch from!! Do it gradually, please. Check

out www.paxilprogress.com or .org for advice and counsel. Don't do

it alone and always go slower than you think and under the care of a

doctor!!!

I absolutely believe that my issues and needs for AD meds. was tied

solely to low T - as I never had " depressive symptoms per se " and

never got anywhere with talk therapy. I was still lethargic, cold,

without libido, no a.m. wood and tired. I have been this way as a

kid, for as long as I can remember, now 38. For me depression was a

symptom, but not the cause, as I and many had thought for too many

years.

Happy to discuss with you more about Paxil to Prozac or whatever

Blessings,

Bill

> > Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

> to

> > put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

have

> > been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> > Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

the

> > Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> > shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to

be

> > Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> > compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin

syringes.

> > He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius

of

> > HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

> >

> > I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> > explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> > thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

> the

> > Arimidex.

> >

> > I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

> and

> > never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see

what

> > it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

> > Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> > Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

day

> > of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

wants

> > gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

> Crisler

> > protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc

in

> 5-

> > 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

opinion.

> > Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check

my

> > labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> > consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests

at

> > heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> > appreciated! thanks, Hank

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hank,

It is bad medicine to me to put one on a new med. like a compounded cream and

not test you in 4 weeks you need to call him if you don't start to feel the T

workng and get a test. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for

Success the follow up tests you need are in this.

Phil

maverick_2414 <maverick_2414@...> wrote:

Phil, thanks for the reply. I saw your other message about my

dosage on the gel and it concerned me a bit. I got the 10%

testosterone gel with a 1ml dosage per day (about the size of a

dime). You commented that it was a small amount and I agree. Do

you think I should ask for a higher dose? I am on this 1mg and

125ius of HCG daily. Retest in 60-80 days per doc. I have to

mention that I follow the antidepressant messages on here very

intensely. I have been on 50mg of Paxil for years. I am very

suspicious that my " depression " might have been low testosterone all

along. I want to get feeling good on the TRT and then talk with my

Dr. about getting off the Paxil. thanks! Hank

> Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

to

> put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I have

> been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on the

> Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to be

> Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin syringes.

> He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius of

> HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

>

> I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

the

> Arimidex.

>

> I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

and

> never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see what

> it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

> Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a day

> of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he wants

> gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

Crisler

> protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc in

5-

> 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my opinion.

> Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check my

> labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests at

> heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> appreciated! thanks, Hank

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I just started the gel last Friday with the HCG. It looks like it

takes a few weeks to start working from what I have read on here and

MESO. If I don't feel it by then, I am going to call the doc and

let him know. Also, ask him to do a blood test as you advise. Will

keep the discussion group posted on how I feel. thanks, Hank

> > Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was going

> to

> > put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

have

> > been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc the

> > Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

the

> > Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> > shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going to

be

> > Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from a

> > compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin

syringes.

> > He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and 100ius

of

> > HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

> >

> > I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> > explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> > thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up without

> the

> > Arimidex.

> >

> > I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a therapy

> and

> > never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see

what

> > it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a headache.

> > Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> > Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

day

> > of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

wants

> > gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

> Crisler

> > protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc

in

> 5-

> > 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

opinion.

> > Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as check

my

> > labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> > consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best interests

at

> > heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> > appreciated! thanks, Hank

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Thanks for your feedback! I am not planning on doing anything with

the Paxil until I get everything working on the TRT therapy. I have

heard horror stories about getting off of Paxil. If I have missed a

dose in the past, its amazing. You get withdrawal symptons and they

are not pretty. I am hopeful that by late summer or early fall, I

can ask my doc about going off the Paxil (or reducing) if I feel

good about TRT. It makes me sad to hear stories like yours. I can

SO relate. I started having trouble with anxiety/depression in my

20s. I also had trouble with ED then some too. Possible low T? I

am 42 now. If we only had someone that would have directed us to a

doc back then to check out our blood levels, we might not have had

to endure what we had to go through. However, I feel blessed to

have found out about my issues now. Got a wife, a little boy and

another child on the way. I want to get to be the best I can be for

me and most importantly my family too! thanks, Hank

> > > Hi everyone! Well, I thought the doc I saw last week was

going

> > to

> > > put me on Arimidex with my 3 times a week/500ius HCG shots. I

> have

> > > been having high E2 (50 on a range of 15-56) I took the doc

the

> > > Crisler protocol as well. I told him I would not mind going on

> the

> > > Crisler protocol and don't mind giving myself HCG/Testosterone

> > > shots. Well, I get a Fedex box last night thinking its going

to

> be

> > > Arimidex but instead its a tube of Testosterone gel (10%) from

a

> > > compounding pharmacy and some HCG with a ton of insulin

> syringes.

> > > He wants me to do 1mg per day of the test. gel (10%) and

100ius

> of

> > > HCG daily with the insulin syringes.

> > >

> > > I called his nurse to ask why he went in this direction. She

> > > explained that with the gel and the low dose of HCG daily, he

> > > thought the E2 would fall in line and the T would go up

without

> > the

> > > Arimidex.

> > >

> > > I am 42 years old by the way. I have only done HCG as a

therapy

> > and

> > > never done Testosterone before so I am kind of excited to see

> what

> > > it does. I started the regimen this morning. I have a

headache.

> > > Will that go away? Does it take time to get used to the gel?

> > > Anyone know how long it takes to get used to the gel? Is 1mg a

> day

> > > of 10% gel a big dose? I would rather have done shots but he

> wants

> > > gel to keep my E2 down. So I guess I am on a version of the

> > Crisler

> > > protocol in a way with testosterone gel and HCG. Go to see doc

> in

> > 5-

> > > 6 weeks for follow up labs. The doc is really cool in my

> opinion.

> > > Likes HCG,HGH, etc. He wants to see how I feel as well as

check

> my

> > > labs which I like. Most docs look at labs as gospel and don't

> > > consider how you feel so I think this doc has my best

interests

> at

> > > heart. Any comments about this protocol good/bad are grealy

> > > appreciated! thanks, Hank

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >