Re: Femara/letrozole (Rich)

[Guest guest]

- I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep up.

If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with the

fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low, but

the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower, he

hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry about

cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see the

inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but so

far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had worked

down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a head

of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that my

husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on it,

the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of a

single tablet.

-----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the less

potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but paid

out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a lifetime

supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

[Guest guest]

Now this is dam good news. Thanks

Phil

Summers <rsummers@...> wrote:

- I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep up.

If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with the

fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low, but

the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower, he

hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry about

cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see the

inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but so

far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had worked

down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a head

of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that my

husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on it,

the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of a

single tablet.

-----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the less

potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but paid

out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a lifetime

supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

[Guest guest]

-

Yep, right here. This is a great group, one of a kind.

I'm glad to hear from you, had been following your husbands exploits

with letrozole, fascinating stuff. I feel almost like I know you

personally. Like reading a meticulous diary. You're about the only

first hand source of info for letrozole re males (with the added

caveat that he is not on TRT.)

For some odd reason, my insurance picked up the bill for both the

arimidex and letrozole scripts at the same time, so not being one to

look a gift horse in the mouth, I been getting them both, using the

arimidex and stock piling the letrozole. I store the bottles in small

zip lock bags in one of those miniature frigs (like the ones the

college kids use in their dorms) keeping them cold and trying to keep

the potency going as long as possible.

My experience with arimidex was 1) taking a dose of 0.25mg (quarter

tab) - good choice. 2) taking this dose every day for 32 days - bad

choice. My estradiol at the start was 60pg/mL (range:13-54) I had the

sensation that something was " off " , nothing I could pin down. I

thought the value was too high, only to learn later that its nothing

compared to the sky high numbers some guys in this group get. The

desirable number apparently is somewhere around 30. Anyway, after a

month my estradiol dropped to -5-, and probably the only reason they

could see that much was because they ran the extra sensitive

extraction method. I'm glad I didn't try the letrozole, with

my " brilliant " calculations, it probably would have taken my head

off, lol. So now, I'm taking 0.25mg arimidex per week guesstimating

(hoping) it should handle the estradiol. I may drop that dose back to

once/14days as I'm thinking the estradiol is really not that much of

a problem for me. I'm also on depo-t and HCG, which automatically

puts me in a different category from your husband. The dose of depo-t

keeps bouncing between 60 and 80mg/week (the 60mg dose really feels

too weak and I start to drag) and right now I'm splitting the

difference by trying 70mg. The HCG is 100iu, daily. So far, so good.

If I have to drop anything, it will probably be the HCG as it looks

like I'm going to be on depo-t (and occasional specks of arimidex or

letrozole) for life.

Rich

> - I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

> husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

>

> I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep

up.

>

> If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

> dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

> that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

> significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

> waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

> number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with

the

> fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

> striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low, but

> the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

> conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

>

> Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower, he

> hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry about

> cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see the

> inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

>

> ----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but so

> far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

> letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had

worked

> down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a

head

> of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

>

> Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that my

> husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

> correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

> TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on

it,

> the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of a

> single tablet.

>

> -----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the less

> potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

>

> In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but paid

> out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a

lifetime

> supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

>

> Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

Just wanted to jump in here your Estradiol needs to be between 10 to 30 best

at 20 when I go to low I lose morning wood so I use this as a gauge. When wood

stops I try to get it up if I can't I konw I am to low and stop the arimidex

until the wood comes back. .25 mgs. once is dam low dose. So here is what you

do after your next test if you find your over 30 do it 2 x's a week keep

checking wood as long as you have wood your not to low. Now doing your T shots

if your feeling low the 2 days before you next shot then do the HCG 250 IU's the

2 days each before you next shot this will hold you over. If you stop HCG your

testis will stop working and your levels can come down. Most of us here fight

to get the Dr. to use HCG. Have you been to Dr. 's site

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update. I

started this last yr. am feeling the best I ever felt in the 22 yrs. on TRT.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

-

Yep, right here. This is a great group, one of a kind.

I'm glad to hear from you, had been following your husbands exploits

with letrozole, fascinating stuff. I feel almost like I know you

personally. Like reading a meticulous diary. You're about the only

first hand source of info for letrozole re males (with the added

caveat that he is not on TRT.)

For some odd reason, my insurance picked up the bill for both the

arimidex and letrozole scripts at the same time, so not being one to

look a gift horse in the mouth, I been getting them both, using the

arimidex and stock piling the letrozole. I store the bottles in small

zip lock bags in one of those miniature frigs (like the ones the

college kids use in their dorms) keeping them cold and trying to keep

the potency going as long as possible.

My experience with arimidex was 1) taking a dose of 0.25mg (quarter

tab) - good choice. 2) taking this dose every day for 32 days - bad

choice. My estradiol at the start was 60pg/mL (range:13-54) I had the

sensation that something was " off " , nothing I could pin down. I

thought the value was too high, only to learn later that its nothing

compared to the sky high numbers some guys in this group get. The

desirable number apparently is somewhere around 30. Anyway, after a

month my estradiol dropped to -5-, and probably the only reason they

could see that much was because they ran the extra sensitive

extraction method. I'm glad I didn't try the letrozole, with

my " brilliant " calculations, it probably would have taken my head

off, lol. So now, I'm taking 0.25mg arimidex per week guesstimating

(hoping) it should handle the estradiol. I may drop that dose back to

once/14days as I'm thinking the estradiol is really not that much of

a problem for me. I'm also on depo-t and HCG, which automatically

puts me in a different category from your husband. The dose of depo-t

keeps bouncing between 60 and 80mg/week (the 60mg dose really feels

too weak and I start to drag) and right now I'm splitting the

difference by trying 70mg. The HCG is 100iu, daily. So far, so good.

If I have to drop anything, it will probably be the HCG as it looks

like I'm going to be on depo-t (and occasional specks of arimidex or

letrozole) for life.

Rich

> - I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

> husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

>

> I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep

up.

>

> If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

> dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

> that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

> significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

> waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

> number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with

the

> fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

> striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low, but

> the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

> conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

>

> Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower, he

> hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry about

> cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see the

> inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

>

> ----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but so

> far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

> letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had

worked

> down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a

head

> of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

>

> Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that my

> husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

> correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

> TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on

it,

> the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of a

> single tablet.

>

> -----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the less

> potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

>

> In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but paid

> out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a

lifetime

> supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

>

> Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Rich and - Thought I would throw in my experience too.

I was running ~ 56 on E2 shooting 60 to 80 mg/7 days of DEPO T. Started out on

Arimidex at 0.25 mg every 7 days on the day of my shot. Didn't feel great but

OK. Got tested 6 weeks later and found my E2 had dropped to < 15. Since then I

have dropped the arimidex to 0.25 mg every 14 days and take it 24 hours after my

T shot. My reasoning for this is that half life of arimidex is ~ 48 hours and

you get the spike of Depo 48-72 hours.

I have been doing this for ~ 4 weeks now with great results. I have not been

tested yet but I feel good. Just another data point. I am 47 and weigh 160.

Arkansas

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

-

Yep, right here. This is a great group, one of a kind.

I'm glad to hear from you, had been following your husbands exploits

with letrozole, fascinating stuff. I feel almost like I know you

personally. Like reading a meticulous diary. You're about the only

first hand source of info for letrozole re males (with the added

caveat that he is not on TRT.)

For some odd reason, my insurance picked up the bill for both the

arimidex and letrozole scripts at the same time, so not being one to

look a gift horse in the mouth, I been getting them both, using the

arimidex and stock piling the letrozole. I store the bottles in small

zip lock bags in one of those miniature frigs (like the ones the

college kids use in their dorms) keeping them cold and trying to keep

the potency going as long as possible.

My experience with arimidex was 1) taking a dose of 0.25mg (quarter

tab) - good choice. 2) taking this dose every day for 32 days - bad

choice. My estradiol at the start was 60pg/mL (range:13-54) I had the

sensation that something was " off " , nothing I could pin down. I

thought the value was too high, only to learn later that its nothing

compared to the sky high numbers some guys in this group get. The

desirable number apparently is somewhere around 30. Anyway, after a

month my estradiol dropped to -5-, and probably the only reason they

could see that much was because they ran the extra sensitive

extraction method. I'm glad I didn't try the letrozole, with

my " brilliant " calculations, it probably would have taken my head

off, lol. So now, I'm taking 0.25mg arimidex per week guesstimating

(hoping) it should handle the estradiol. I may drop that dose back to

once/14days as I'm thinking the estradiol is really not that much of

a problem for me. I'm also on depo-t and HCG, which automatically

puts me in a different category from your husband. The dose of depo-t

keeps bouncing between 60 and 80mg/week (the 60mg dose really feels

too weak and I start to drag) and right now I'm splitting the

difference by trying 70mg. The HCG is 100iu, daily. So far, so good.

If I have to drop anything, it will probably be the HCG as it looks

like I'm going to be on depo-t (and occasional specks of arimidex or

letrozole) for life.

Rich

> - I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

> husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

>

> I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep

up.

>

> If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

> dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

> that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

> significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

> waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

> number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with

the

> fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

> striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low, but

> the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

> conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

>

> Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower, he

> hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry about

> cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see the

> inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

>

> ----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but so

> far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

> letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had

worked

> down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a

head

> of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

>

> Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that my

> husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

> correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

> TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on

it,

> the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of a

> single tablet.

>

> -----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the less

> potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

>

> In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but paid

> out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a

lifetime

> supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

>

> Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil-

I've been getting morning wood but only recently. The trouble is

mostly with other meds:

I take a calcium channel blocker (norvasc) as one of my BP meds which

I belive has some inhibiting effect, but I'll have to live with it as

its one of the few things to keep my BP under some control.

I was also taking Proscar (for a slightly enlarged prostate) which is

reknown for killing libido. This lead to quite a variety of things

for trying to get erections, ranging from Viagra (very short lived

action, not worth the side effects) to penile injections (with Bimix;

and unlike my IM injections, they hurt like hell - although they did

work.) The best by far, and most natural, was my depo-t. I switched

to Saw Palmetto for the prostate, with surprisingly little argument

from the Dr., and so far it seems to do just as good a job as Proscar

without the side effects. If that changes, I'll have to re-evaluate.

I was also on both Celexa and its more potent relative Lexapro (it

wasn't for depression, per se; the Dr had tried just about every BP

med known to man and he figured, what the heck, he'll try the

psychological angle, if only to say it was tried - didn't work.)

These two pills are really amazing, and I don't mean that in a nice

way. As others have reported, they can be anorgasmic. I totally

agree, they act like an " off-switch " . The hell of it is, you can have

some libido at this point but with either of these pills you can't

have an orgasm, period. This is like some exquisite form of torture.

They seem to wash out of the system after 24hrs (with me, anyway) and

then I'm back to normal. I was only an occasional user of the stuff,

anyway.

Re the arimidex, I've got one of those systems that seems way too

sensitive to doses. I've learned the hard way on a great many

medicines, the smaller the dose the better. I've had a few Drs that

loved to start on a larger dose than I could handle and the side

effects would just about kill me.

I hope I might the luxury of basing doses of arimidex on this new

found morning wood but in any event I think I've got a rough idea on

the size of the dose to take.

I'm also a type II diabetic, but I don't think the nerves have

degenerated that much, not yet. I'll be 61 next month and I feel in

better shape now (with morning wood, even) then I did a decade ago.

Also: I first read The Recipe For Success on the Meso-rx site. I just

noticed the HGC Update and that really makes more sense than the

daily 100iu doses of HCG that I've been taking. I don't mind daily

injections at all, but I got the impression that they were sort of

wasted that way. I really don't need the extra little hit of T every

day - except maybe at the end of my weekly run, as described in the

article and even then I doubt I'll need much. I'll try the two 250iu

doses, first.

Rich

> > - I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

> > husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

> >

> > I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep

> up.

> >

> > If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

> > dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

> > that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

> > significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

> > waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

> > number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with

> the

> > fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

> > striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low,

but

> > the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

> > conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

> >

> > Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower,

he

> > hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry

about

> > cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see

the

> > inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

> >

> > ----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but

so

> > far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

> > letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had

> worked

> > down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a

> head

> > of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

> >

> > Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that

my

> > husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

> > correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

> > TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on

> it,

> > the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of

a

> > single tablet.

> >

> > -----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the

less

> > potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

> >

> > In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but

paid

> > out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a

> lifetime

> > supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

> >

> > Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan-

I can remember weighing 160, in my " yoot " (around in my mid-40s,

lol.) Even in my 50's I stayed around 180 (I'm 5'10'') then I

ballooned. It seemed to coincide with the diabetes (right now I'm at

215, and it ain't budging, up or down) but I think the

infamous " diabetic gut " is really a cop-out. When I get this

testosterone business really fine tuned, I'll either burn it off, or

I won't care because if that doesn't do it, nothing will.

Rich

>

> Hey Rich and - Thought I would throw in my experience too.

>

> I was running ~ 56 on E2 shooting 60 to 80 mg/7 days of DEPO T.

Started out on Arimidex at 0.25 mg every 7 days on the day of my

shot. Didn't feel great but OK. Got tested 6 weeks later and found my

E2 had dropped to < 15. Since then I have dropped the arimidex to

0.25 mg every 14 days and take it 24 hours after my T shot. My

reasoning for this is that half life of arimidex is ~ 48 hours and

you get the spike of Depo 48-72 hours.

>

> I have been doing this for ~ 4 weeks now with great results. I

have not been tested yet but I feel good. Just another data point. I

am 47 and weigh 160.

>

> Arkansas

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

Man that is dam good news I just hope this works for Roy he is 80. My Dr. was

going to put me on BP meds. I told him after not being able to have sex for 10

yrs because of high Estradiol " E2 " . After getting it down me ED got 80% better

and I can have sex it was hard enough and reach an orgasm Thank God. I told my

Dr. let me try Cialis I under stand these pill like Viagra were found to work

for ED and they were trying to find a better BP med. So he gave me Cialis 20

mgs. and told me to take it every 72 hrs. Now that 20% is much better my wife

feels it is bigger and harder and it is keeping my BP down. I just checked it

and it was 125/73 down a lot from 158/ 110 so talk to your Dr. about this and

try getting off the calcium channel blocker and see if this works. I have my

own gauge a Lumiscope you put on your wrist. If this does not work but I know

it will try this.

http://seniorhealth.about.com/cs/sex/a/cozaar.htm

If you do the Cialis the sides are a stuffy noise and are gone in less then a

week.

If you get your total and free T levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs

range for a young man your type II diabetic should get much better low T can

make type II diabetic worse. Dr. talked about this a lot at MESO do

search.

The first 5 yrs I was sick I was told I have Major Depression and was put on

every kind of AD drug on the market never felt better. Then they found me to

not be suffering Depression but that I have Low T. I had to go into Re-Hab to

get off all them dam AD drugs. Going on TRT all that shit stopped and I felt

much better and was able to get back to work. All of this started when I was

40 now 62.

Let me know if this sounds good.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote: Hi Phil-

I've been getting morning wood but only recently. The trouble is

mostly with other meds:

I take a calcium channel blocker (norvasc) as one of my BP meds which

I belive has some inhibiting effect, but I'll have to live with it as

its one of the few things to keep my BP under some control.

I was also taking Proscar (for a slightly enlarged prostate) which is

reknown for killing libido. This lead to quite a variety of things

for trying to get erections, ranging from Viagra (very short lived

action, not worth the side effects) to penile injections (with Bimix;

and unlike my IM injections, they hurt like hell - although they did

work.) The best by far, and most natural, was my depo-t. I switched

to Saw Palmetto for the prostate, with surprisingly little argument

from the Dr., and so far it seems to do just as good a job as Proscar

without the side effects. If that changes, I'll have to re-evaluate.

I was also on both Celexa and its more potent relative Lexapro (it

wasn't for depression, per se; the Dr had tried just about every BP

med known to man and he figured, what the heck, he'll try the

psychological angle, if only to say it was tried - didn't work.)

These two pills are really amazing, and I don't mean that in a nice

way. As others have reported, they can be anorgasmic. I totally

agree, they act like an " off-switch " . The hell of it is, you can have

some libido at this point but with either of these pills you can't

have an orgasm, period. This is like some exquisite form of torture.

They seem to wash out of the system after 24hrs (with me, anyway) and

then I'm back to normal. I was only an occasional user of the stuff,

anyway.

Re the arimidex, I've got one of those systems that seems way too

sensitive to doses. I've learned the hard way on a great many

medicines, the smaller the dose the better. I've had a few Drs that

loved to start on a larger dose than I could handle and the side

effects would just about kill me.

I hope I might the luxury of basing doses of arimidex on this new

found morning wood but in any event I think I've got a rough idea on

the size of the dose to take.

I'm also a type II diabetic, but I don't think the nerves have

degenerated that much, not yet. I'll be 61 next month and I feel in

better shape now (with morning wood, even) then I did a decade ago.

Also: I first read The Recipe For Success on the Meso-rx site. I just

noticed the HGC Update and that really makes more sense than the

daily 100iu doses of HCG that I've been taking. I don't mind daily

injections at all, but I got the impression that they were sort of

wasted that way. I really don't need the extra little hit of T every

day - except maybe at the end of my weekly run, as described in the

article and even then I doubt I'll need much. I'll try the two 250iu

doses, first.

Rich

> > - I was really fascinated by your on-going account of your

> > husband and letrozole. How did that turn out? -----

> >

> > I'm playing catch up here since I don't seem to be able to keep

> up.

> >

> > If you're still here, Rich, and Phil who also asked, Hubby's last

> > dose of letrozole was at least a few months ago. During the time

> > that he was taking increasing lower doses of the med he lost a

> > significant number of inches around first his chest and then his

> > waist. He still has the gyno (guy tits) but I figure that a good

> > number of aromatase/estrogen receptor sites were lost along with

> the

> > fat. We never did get the letrozole dose down to the point of

> > striking a balance without driving his estrogen levels too low,

but

> > the whole process gave him a jump start in losing the estrogen

> > conversion and resulting fat and diabetic tendencies.

> >

> > Because the inches still seem to be coming off, although slower,

he

> > hasn't wanted to go back onto the letrozole. Because I worry

about

> > cardiac risks related to overweight, it's a relief to me to see

the

> > inches diminishing. And I can't say I miss subdividing the pills!

> >

> > ----Right now I have scripts for both arimidex and letrozole but

so

> > far have only used the arimidex. I'm a little leery of trying the

> > letrozole after seeing the miniscule amount of a dose you had

> worked

> > down to - something like 1/48 of a pill? You could put that on a

> head

> > of a pin and still leave room for " the angels to dance. " lol'----

> >

> > Letrozole is a stronger med than arimidex, but keep in mind that

my

> > husband is not taking supplemental testosterone, so probably a

> > correct balanced dose for him would be much lower than for men on

> > TRT. But you're right, if he decides at some point to go back on

> it,

> > the next dose we try will be a tiny pinch of the ground powder of

a

> > single tablet.

> >

> > -----I always wondered why you didn't just switch over to the

less

> > potent arimidex to lower the E2.----

> >

> > In a word: economics. We didn't go through our insurance, but

paid

> > out of pocket. And given the tiny amount required we have a

> lifetime

> > supply (or at least enough to last until the expiration date.)

> >

> > Hope you're having good results with the arimidex.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rich I ballooned up to 325 I was on the gels and my joints and muscle hurt so

back when I stood up I could hardly walk. Going on the shots and HCG my Total T

went up from 650 to 1087 and my pain went away. I joined Weight Watchers and

last yr lost over 65 lbs and was back to walking everyday and started going to

the gym and working out on 16 machines working the 11 major muscle groups. Hell

I was doing great then came winter and I came down with Bronchitis and could not

get over it had it for over 3 months put on 20 lbs and still having a hard time

breathing. My Dr. has me on a med Spirva Handihaler to get rid of the inflation

in my lungs so things are getting better and I will get back out walking and to

the gym again. I am 5' 10 " also but a big I mean big boned guy. Dr. wants me

to only go down to 225 lbs. So if I could do so can you. All it took for me

was to get my levels up.

Phil

Rich <caliconine@...> wrote:

Hi Dan-

I can remember weighing 160, in my " yoot " (around in my mid-40s,

lol.) Even in my 50's I stayed around 180 (I'm 5'10'') then I

ballooned. It seemed to coincide with the diabetes (right now I'm at

215, and it ain't budging, up or down) but I think the

infamous " diabetic gut " is really a cop-out. When I get this

testosterone business really fine tuned, I'll either burn it off, or

I won't care because if that doesn't do it, nothing will.

Rich

>

> Hey Rich and - Thought I would throw in my experience too.

>

> I was running ~ 56 on E2 shooting 60 to 80 mg/7 days of DEPO T.

Started out on Arimidex at 0.25 mg every 7 days on the day of my

shot. Didn't feel great but OK. Got tested 6 weeks later and found my

E2 had dropped to < 15. Since then I have dropped the arimidex to

0.25 mg every 14 days and take it 24 hours after my T shot. My

reasoning for this is that half life of arimidex is ~ 48 hours and

you get the spike of Depo 48-72 hours.

>

> I have been doing this for ~ 4 weeks now with great results. I

have not been tested yet but I feel good. Just another data point. I

am 47 and weigh 160.

>

> Arkansas

>

>