Re: Stupid newbie questions

[Guest guest]

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> 1. How long should it take on Androgel before I notice any

> improvement?

Varies too much from man to man to predict with any confidence. After

4 weeks or so, get your t re-tested to make sure the treatment is

effective in elevating your levels. It may not be or the dose may be

too low.

> 2. It sounds like high E2 is a common problem with low T.

Not necessarily.

> Should I

> assume I have high E2

No, get it tested. It could be too low.

> and start taking DIM now, or wait the three

> months and see if I can get her to test for it and maybe get on

> Arimidex?

I would try to make sure the t level is good first. Then test and

possibly treat estradiol levels.

> 3. Can you have high E2 without gynecomastia? (none so far).

Yes.

> 4. Any other suggestions for a newbie?

>

Be patient. Do one thing at a time. Take measurements so you know

what is happening lab-wise.

Brad

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve and Welcome,

We hear this about Dr.'s every week it's a dam shame your Total T levels are

normal for a man age 85 to 100 yrs. old.

I would not wate no 3 months for testing call her back and tell her you want

Dr. to treat you with her over the phone. It's just not good to go this

long on a new treatment that can cause some problems like thicker blood. Tell

her it's in the insert that comes with the androgel to test after the first 2

weeks to be sure you levels went up not lower yes I said lower some men on 5

grams in 2 weeks test lower then there base test. This happens because your

brain sees the androgel and stops sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis

to make more T. So you start at 250 and if your not getting the gel through

your skin you can end up at 200 and feeling worse. If she will not work with

Dr. over the phone the go to the files section and read " Finding a New Male

Hormone Dr. "

Go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update

print it and give it to your Dr. When you tell her you want him to treat you

over the phone.

www.allthingsmale.com

Phil

temujin_steve <temujin_steve@...> wrote:

Sorry for a long post, but I guess I'm going to be hanging out here

for a while, so I may as well get this all out.

In a nutshell:

age 58, T2 diabetic, BPH, some other stuff, no complications.

Complained to my endo of zero libido, poor erections, weakness, low

energy, foggy brain. He said it sounded like low T and had me

tested for total T (I know, I should have asked for free T, E2,

etc., but didn't know any better).

Total T came back 262, endo's nurse said he said it was in normal

range. I said what about my symptoms? She said I could talk to him

about it at my next appointment (in three months!).

Went to my GP & explained situation, she put me on Androgel, 5mg.

Called her back after 2 weeks & asked when I should notice any

difference. She said three months.

So here I am, still zero libido, poor erections, weakness, low

energy, foggy brain, now three weeks into Androgel. Which brings me

to my stupid newbie questions:

1. How long should it take on Androgel before I notice any

improvement?

2. It sounds like high E2 is a common problem with low T. Should I

assume I have high E2 and start taking DIM now, or wait the three

months and see if I can get her to test for it and maybe get on

Arimidex?

3. Can you have high E2 without gynecomastia? (none so far).

4. Any other suggestions for a newbie?

Thanks, Steve

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Poor erections may be related to nerve damage due to diabetes. If the

pills do not work any more that is a clue your nerves can no longer be

enhanced by the viagra etc. The other symptoms can be helped with TRT.

I your ED is due to nerve damage it is like the age related ED that

hits most men as early as 60. Age related nerve damage is not helped

with the pills eithe.

There is hope using injectible ED therapy such as Caverject or TRIMIX

(which I have been using since 1992). I went to the urologist that

invented trimix, Dr. Irwin Goldstein, Boston Univ., and in 3 visits my

erections were back to better than when a teen and they last after

ejaculation.

Check out this web site:

Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/messages/14763?l=1

ernestnolan

>

> Sorry for a long post, but I guess I'm going to be hanging out here

> for a while, so I may as well get this all out.

>

> In a nutshell:

> age 58, T2 diabetic, BPH, some other stuff, no complications.

> Complained to my endo of zero libido, poor erections, weakness, low

> energy, foggy brain. He said it sounded like low T and had me

> tested for total T (I know, I should have asked for free T, E2,

> etc., but didn't know any better).

> Total T came back 262, endo's nurse said he said it was in normal

> range. I said what about my symptoms? She said I could talk to him

> about it at my next appointment (in three months!).

> Went to my GP & explained situation, she put me on Androgel, 5mg.

> Called her back after 2 weeks & asked when I should notice any

> difference. She said three months.

>

> So here I am, still zero libido, poor erections, weakness, low

> energy, foggy brain, now three weeks into Androgel. Which brings me

> to my stupid newbie questions:

>

> 1. How long should it take on Androgel before I notice any

> improvement?

> 2. It sounds like high E2 is a common problem with low T. Should I

> assume I have high E2 and start taking DIM now, or wait the three

> months and see if I can get her to test for it and maybe get on

> Arimidex?

> 3. Can you have high E2 without gynecomastia? (none so far).

> 4. Any other suggestions for a newbie?

>

> Thanks, Steve

>

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 20:25:50 -0000, you wrote:

>1. How long should it take on Androgel before I notice any

>improvement?

If you're E2 is high you won't notice much change.

>2. It sounds like high E2 is a common problem with low T.

It can be. Some people convert too much T to E2, enough to actually

lower their total T. Just blocking conversion to E2 can boost total T

200 to 300 points FOR SOME. This is particularly true if you are

significantly over weight. Aromotase the converting enzyme is created

and hangs out in fat.

But for others low T from primary hypo-G or low LH/FSH means there is

not enough T to convert to E2. So there is another bunch that have low

T and low E2. These folks tend I think to suffer more bone loss,

osetopenia and osteoporosis.

Most people don't have significant E2 trouble until after they start

TRT. (But again some folks don't need TRT if they have high E2 to

begin with. These folks can manage E2 and not need TRT at all. There's

a study in the files section on this. I suggest showing it to your

doctor. It argues for testing up front before TRT.)

>Should I

>assume I have high E2 and start taking DIM now, or wait the three

>months and see if I can get her to test for it and maybe get on

>Arimidex?

I'd say take her the study and others on T-E2 " crosstalk "

>3. Can you have high E2 without gynecomastia? (none so far).

Yes. Most don't get it.

>4. Any other suggestions for a newbie?

Read the AACE guidelines.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

And Shippen's book.

http://www.amazon.com/Testosterone-Syndrome-Critical-Sexuality-Reversing-Menopau\

se/dp/0871318296

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