Do oncologists take chemo for themselves?

[Guest guest]

Hey, I am wondering do oncologists take chemo or give it their loved ones? If

they do not take chemo, what are they doing instead? Does anyone know?

I did a search but didn't come up with anything.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

I would think the answer is " yes. " I do know of several doctors (one oncologist)

who underwent chemotherapy for cancer. But going on the theory that oncologists

believe in what they practice, I can't imagine why they wouldn't take the same

therapy that they prescribe for their patients.

Mimi

Hey, I am wondering do oncologists take chemo or give it their loved ones? If

they do not take chemo, what are they doing instead? Does anyone know?

I did a search but didn't come up with anything.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

Well, there was a survey in Australia among 71 oncologists. Ninety

percent (63 of them) says that they would not recommend chemo for

themselves or for their loved ones. Talk about hypocrisy!

Kazi

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Incigul Sayman wrote:

I would think the answer is " yes. " I do know of several doctors (one

oncologist) who underwent chemotherapy for cancer. But going on the theory that

oncologists believe in what they practice, I can't imagine why they wouldn't

take the same therapy that they prescribe for their patients. Mimi

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Hey, I am wondering do oncologists take chemo or give it their loved ones? If

they do not take chemo, what are they doing instead? Does anyone know? I did a

search but didn't come up with anything.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

I have seen an article, done in Australia that discovered that the

oncologists from that country would not do chemotherapy. It was

circulating on the internet for a while.

Many doctors follow the party line, since they are so far in debt when

they get out of school, they can't afford to step out of line. But,

when it is their own health, not their profession on the line, I can

believe they would make better choices.

Bright Blessings,

Garth & Kim

[Guest guest]

Doctors undergo surgery, take prescription drugs and do Chemotherapy? All of

them? No, not all doctors do everything ‘their’ doctor tells them because

many of them know that many of the things they regularly practice on us, not

only doesn’t work, it is downright dangerous.

A few years back, when I read in one of the leading Institutions (forgot

which) that 30% of physicians still didn’t know that fever is generally

beneficial and is a bodily defense, what conclusion do you think I came to?

The same conclusion I came to more than 55 years ago after reading about how

antibiotics can be dangerous, and after reading the works of notable (then)

Alternative physicians and old-time Naturopaths.

When I visited a Chief of Staff at a local hospital (a client friend) I

watched as he threw a bunch of pills into the waste basket saying, “these guys

are trying to kill meâ€. He was a character.......but he showed me what I

already knew on more than one occasion. He would point out physicians and say,

for example, “see him? “if a woman stains once......it’s a

hysterectomyâ€. So there you have it. Some do, some don’t and I wonder

what the actual percentage is but it matters not to us.

Joe C.

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[Guest guest]

We know about the hypocrisy and the outright scamming many physicians regularly

are involved in but from the standpoint of self preservation would they really

admit to not practicing what they preach? I never heard surgeons ranting about

never having their wives submit to a Hysterectomy and yet it wasn’t long ago

that we learned most were not necessary. They must have known this before it

‘leaked out’. Who did the survey and was it just another, in the many,

false Internet stories? It reminds me of the s Hopkins story about how

Chemotherapy didn’t work. Didn’t most of us know that this organization

would never admit that? Some didn’t and they had to be shown. Sometimes a

renegade, and usually retiring physician, will spill some of the beans but you

will rarely find it in main stream media circles. You often find negative

things in their own Journals but few of us have access to them. In the 50s I

was lucky to have access to JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association)

and that often opened my eyes.

In it I read an article by the retiring head of the Journal that 50% of

operation were unnecessary. That is probably a conservative number but still,

that came from one of their own.

Show me the garage owner that will tell you, “nah, you don’t need to change

your oil every 3,000 milesâ€. Sure, there’s always a good guy in town but

really. We can’t believe everything we read............not on the Internet

and certainly not in Alternative circles.

Joe C.

From: Kazi Ullah

Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:11 PM

Cc:

Subject: Re: [ ] Do oncologists take chemo for themselves?

Well, there was a survey in Australia among 71 oncologists. Ninety

percent (63 of them) says that they would not recommend chemo for

themselves or for their loved ones. Talk about hypocrisy!

Kazi

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Incigul Sayman wrote:

I would think the answer is " yes. " I do know of several doctors (one

oncologist) who underwent chemotherapy for cancer. But going on the theory that

oncologists believe in what they practice, I can't imagine why they wouldn't

take the same therapy that they prescribe for their patients. Mimi

______________________________________________

Hey, I am wondering do oncologists take chemo or give it their loved ones? If

they do not take chemo, what are they doing instead? Does anyone know? I did a

search but didn't come up with anything.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

Here is something I found on the web and saved it because of the info on

chemo and drs and how they feel about it.

WHAT DRS WHO PRESCRIBE CHEMO THINK OF IT.

Important quotes from some of the leading cancer experts in conventional

medicine and natural medicine. These quotes give us a idea of what

professionals who deal with cancer every day, really think.

CHEMOTHERAPY QUOTES

" Two to 4% of cancers respond to chemotherapy….The bottom line is

for a few kinds of cancer chemo is a life extending

procedure---Hodgkin's disease, Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia (ALL),

Testicular cancer, and Choriocarcinoma. " ----Ralph Moss, Ph.D. 1995

Author of Questioning Chemotherapy.

" NCI now actually anticipates further increases, and not decreases, in

cancer mortality rates, from 171/100,000 in 1984 to 175/100,000 by the

year 2000! " -- Epstein.

" A study of over 10,000 patients shows clearly that chemo's supposedly

strong track record with Hodgkin's disease (lymphoma) is actually a lie.

Patients who underwent chemo were 14 times more likely to develop

leukemia and 6 times more likely to develop cancers of the bones,

joints, and soft tissues than those patients who did not undergo

chemotherapy (NCI Journal 87:10). " - Diamond

Children who are successfully treated for Hodgkin's disease are 18 times

more likely later to develop secondary malignant tumors. Girls face a 35

per cent chance of developing breast cancer by the time they are

40----which is 75 times greater than the average. The risk of leukemia

increased markedly four years after the ending of successful treatment,

and reached a plateau after 14 years, but the risk of developing solid

tumours remained high and approached 30 per cent at 30 years (New Eng J

Med, March 21, 1996)

" Success of most chemotherapy is appalling…There is no scientific

evidence for its ability to extend in any appreciable way the lives of

patients suffering from the most common organic cancer…chemotherapy

for malignancies too advanced for surgery which accounts for 80% of all

cancers is a scientific wasteland. " ---Dr Ulrich Abel. 1990

The New England Journal of Medicine Reports- War on Cancer Is a Failure:

Despite $30 billion spent on research and treatments since 1970, cancer

remains " undefeated, " with a death rate not lower but 6% higher in 1997

than 1970, stated C. Bailar III, M.D., Ph.D., and L.

Gornik, M.H.S., both of the Department of Health Studies at the

University of Chicago in Illinois. " The war against cancer is far from

over, " stated Dr. Bailar. " The effect of new treatments for cancer on

mortality has been largely disappointing. "

" My studies have proved conclusively that untreated cancer victims live

up to four times longer than treated individuals. If one has cancer and

opts to do nothing at all, he will live longer and feel better than if

he undergoes radiation, chemotherapy or surgery, other than when used in

immediate life-threatening situations. " ---Prof . (1956 Transactions

of the N.Y. Academy of Medical Sciences, vol 6. There is a fifty page

article by Hardin of National Cancer Institute of Bethesda,

land. He surveyed global cancer of all types and compared the

untreated and the treated, to conclude that the untreated outlives the

treated, both in terms of quality and in terms of quantity. Secondly he

said, " Cancer does not cure " . Third he said, " There is a physiological

mechanism which finishes off an individual " .)

" With some cancers, notably liver, lung, pancreas, bone and advanced

breast, our 5 year survival from traditional therapy alone is virtually

the same as it was 30 years ago. " ---P Quillin, Ph.D.

Studies show that women taking tamoxifen after surviving breast cancer

then have a high propensity to develop endometrial cancer. The NCI and

Zeneca Pharmaceuticals, which make the drug, aggressively lobbied State

of California regulators to keep them from adding tamoxifen to their

list of carcinogens. Zeneca is one of the sponsors of Breast Cancer

Awareness Month.

" Most cancer patients in this country die of

chemotherapy…Chemotherapy does not eliminate breast, colon or lung

cancers. This fact has been documented for over a decade. Yet doctors

still use chemotherapy for these tumors…Women with breast cancer are

likely to die faster with chemo than without it. " -Alan Levin, M.D.

For the full article, click here:

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How Effective is Chemotherapy?

The following table was published in the journal Clinical Oncology in

December 2004. The results of this study were astonishing, showing that

chemotherapy has an average 5-year survival success rate of just over 2

percent for ALL cancers!

In the U.S., chemo was most successful in treating testicular cancer and

Hodgkin's disease, where its success rate fell just below 38 percent

and slightly over 40 percent respectively. Still well below the 50/50

mark.

A review of chemo on 5-year survival rates in Australia garnered almost

identical results, with a 2.3 percent success rate, compared to the U.S.

2.1 percent rate of success.

And this is the best that conventional medicine has to offer for

treating this widespread killer.

[Guest guest]

ine, there were reports several years ago out of Australia that a

large group of oncologists released a statement that they would NOT do

chemo if they personally had cancer.

Unknown where you might find it now, if it still exists somewhere. I am

finding that many alternative health news reports, including from

leading research universities, seem to disappear after a few months.

s Hopkins, Columbia.. all over the US.

Good Luck!!

Dave

http://www.dfe.net

ina wrote:

> Hey, I am wondering do oncologists take chemo or give it their loved ones? If

they do not take chemo, what are they doing instead? Does anyone know?

>

> I did a search but didn't come up with anything.

> thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

" 75% of the physicians refuses chemotherapy on themselves "

www.curenaturalicancro.com/2-physicians-refuse-chemo.html

" study of oncologists to determine how they would respond to a diagnosis of

cancer...58 out of 64 doctors said that all chemotherapy programs were

unacceptable to them and their family members. The overriding reason for this

decision was that the drugs are ineffective and have an unacceptable degree of

toxicity....radiologist who told me this: `If I get cancer, I'm going to

Mexico.' " Daily Dose, August 30, 2002

from the newsletter of s II, M.D.

reprinted at the following websites:

www.dreamline.freeyellow.com/#scandal;

www.networkingtheinternet.com/dxm66.htm

www.aspartame.ca/page_c4.htm

www.fugitt.com/article/chemo1.htm

[Guest guest]

Not sure about the information from Australia, but the study I am familiar with

refers to a survey of oncologists done by McGill Cancer Centre in Montreal some

years ago. It asked 118 lung cancer doctors if they would take cisplatin for

themselves or their families if they had lung cancer. Of those responding, 80%

said they would not.

I would say it depends on the type of cancer. The improved five-year survival

rate for lung cancer patients undergoing chemo is in the range of 2-3% according

to a large Australian study. This, to me, is not enough to justify the toll

chemo will certainly take on the body.

Other cancers, such as testicular cancer and a few others, do apparently respond

well to chemo which may actually effect a " cure " in these cases. Most

importantly, do your own research, and if a doctor is advising you to undergo

chemo, investigate the improved survival rate for chemo with your type and stage

of cancer. There is a wealth of knowledge on the subject available on the

internet, and thoughtful people will arm themselves with all the information

they can before making this kind of decision. Best wishes!

Mike

[Guest guest]

Personally I am a born skeptic and as much conspiracy theorist   Ventura

and yet I cannot bring myself to believe that prestigious hospitals like

Sloan-Kettering, s Hopkins and Mayo Clinic would prescribe bogus medical

practices.

[Guest guest]

Do you think these â€prestigious†institutions prescribe VIOXX to any of

their patients................or any of the other worthless drugs and worse,

killer drugs as VIOXX has proven to be? If the War On Cancer was successful I

might join you in your skepticism, however, mortality for cancer, except for a

very few types, has not improved to where it can be said, they are winning.

That is of course after you ‘weed through’ false statistics using trick

terminology such as ‘Relative vs Absolute’ as it pertains to results or the

words “Tumor Response†which only relates to shrinkage while the patient

thinks it relates to cure. It doesn’t.

Joe C.

From: S.S. Yeandle

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:31 AM

Subject: [ ] Re:Do oncologists take chemo for themselves?

Personally I am a born skeptic and as much conspiracy theorist Ventura

and yet I cannot bring myself to believe that prestigious hospitals like

Sloan-Kettering, s Hopkins and Mayo Clinic would prescribe bogus medical

practices.

[Guest guest]

This is not a conspiracy and the " prestigious " medical centers don't

provide " bogus " treatments, rather it is the medical-economic

paradigm that shapes our whole healthcare system. It is a business

for everyone involved. Everyone gives lip service to the call for a

cure, but the smart money is always on incremental benefits at

increasing costs and the maintenance of chronic disease. Any

research that might lead to an inexpensive and effective treatment

for cancer is ridiculed as absurd, banned as dangerous, ignored as

not worth of the attention of real scientists, grants are defunded,

and peer-reviewed publication is only a silly dream. Once you

recognize this fact of life it becomes much easier to avoid being

duped into standard-of-care treatments that only lead to the grave.

One must be equally wary of alternative treatments. Often great sums

of money change hands and lives are risked for treatments that are

based on the flimsiest evidence.

At 07:31 AM 11/10/2010, you wrote:

>

>Personally I am a born skeptic and as much conspiracy

>theorist Ventura and yet I cannot bring myself to believe

>that prestigious hospitals like Sloan-Kettering, s Hopkins and

>Mayo Clinic would prescribe bogus medical practices.

[Guest guest]

I don't think that the major cancer hospitals or doctors are really out to

deceive the public. They are convinced that they have the best methods,

equipment, and strategy available, even though the success rate is pretty low. 

Cancer is big business in America.  Billions of dollars are invested in cancer

therapies in hospitals, and oncologists have invested maga bucks to become a

expert in this field.  Cancer is a major profit center for both the hospitals

and doctors.  They have been brainwashed by the pharmo companies along with the

AMA that if someone does not submit to chemo, radiation, or surgery--they will

surely die.  Doctors have very little knowledge of nutrition, and very little

interest since their livelihood to tied to the medical establishment.  Many

doctors are now advising patients to take vitamins and minerals--although not at

the amounts that would prevent illness and disease.  We have to ask

ourselves--are doctors in the

business of health, or in the business of medicine.  The two are not the

same.  After all, if people remained healthy--who would go to the doctor? 

From: S.S. Yeandle <seaterra@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:Do oncologists take chemo for themselves?

Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 3:31 PM

 

Personally I am a born skeptic and as much conspiracy theorist   Ventura

and yet I cannot bring myself to believe that prestigious hospitals like

Sloan-Kettering, s Hopkins and Mayo Clinic would prescribe bogus medical

practices.

[Guest guest]

Well said . Here is a statement about Oncologists and chemo that is

relevent to this conversation.

In a survey of 79 oncologists from McGill University Cancer Center in Canada, 64

said they would not consent to treatment with Cisplatin, a common chemotherapy

drug, while 58 oncologists said they would reject all the current trials being

carried out by their establishment. Why? " The ineffectiveness of chemotherapy

and its unacceptable degree of toxicity. " Philip Day, " Cancer: Why We're Still

Dying to Know the Truth "

This pretty much shows what Oncologists think about their own treatments that

they put into patients bodies (including children) every day.

Pat Haas - near Seattle