B-12

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Sorry to hear that. Did you inject it at the same

place he does? Is it a longer needle that gets deeper

into the muscle that he uses? Is it the same compound?

I wonder if injected into a different location might

get a different result like the thigh, shoulder,

etc... I'm just thinking out loud.

That's funny what you just wrote about the script for

Canada Pharmacy cuz I had just replied to it and the

next message I read was this one. lol.

--- Ellana <eclarke@...> wrote:

> I correct myself, Mike.....no script is needed. I

> order a 10 dose vial just to see if they asked for a

> prescription, and they did not.

> So, I'll test this when it arrives. So far, I have

> felt no effects from the injection I gave myself

> yesterday. When my doctor gives it to me, I get a

> power 'surge' that last several days.

>

> Ellana

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

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The needle and location should have no bearing on the effects of the drug. As I

recall, the 'color' of the B-12 my doctor uses is a light orange-yellow, where

what I got from Romania is red. It will be interesting to see what color it is

from Canada.

Ellana

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Dear Dave, One thing that I have learnt is that if you take acid-suppressants over a long period of time they deplete your absorption of B12 and can lead, in extreme cases, to pernicious anaemia. Therefore it is advisable to take a supplement of B12 in this case. (I have gained this knowledge from the lovely Notan). Best Wishes from Ann, sending you a peck on the cheek and a hug around the neck and wondering what a plans to hide up her bussel. XXX <davster13@...> wrote: So what is B-12 suppossed to do for achalasians!?I have been on mega doses of B-12 for at least 11 years, way before I was even diagnosed with achalasia.My doctor suggested it to improve my moods. It worked so well, I take it every day religiouslyI started off getting weekly injections, then every other week, then monthly.Once my levels got up the doctor switched me to sub-lingual B-12 which you can get at any good vitimin or health food store. Most of those stores also have the liquid, or can order it for you.Weight lifters use B-12 too, to build muscle so their supplement stores have B-12 also. They inject it into their muscles, I'm

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Dave -

I have been on injections since 1998 after my esophagectomy. They said

it helped improve energy. I do know that when I go beyond the 3 weeks

I start feeling run down and about a day after my injection - I feel

MUCH better. Due to the way my digestion works since the

esophagectomy - I have to do injections. Most vitamin B supplements

are timed release so I couldn't keep my level up with oral. Never

tried the sublingal. But the injections are so cheap and hubby does

them so I will keep on doing those!

Barb

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In a message dated 5/1/2007 9:34:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achalasiagoaway@... writes:

One thing that I have learnt is that if you take acid-suppressants over a long period of time they deplete your absorption of B-12 and can lead, in extreme cases, to pernicious anaemia. Therefore it is advisable to take a supplement of B-12 in this case. (I have gained this knowledge from the lovely Notan).

Hi, Ann and Everyone! The 'dog mums' (me) is interested in helping out with this important topic. First, I wonder if you have all considered, or know, just how 'similar' canine nutrition as well as attributable health, disorders and disease states can be? There are some differences, yes. But there are many commonalities.

The B-12 injections helped Eva tremendously. There's more education to be had though so that you can discuss the details with your respective Doctors as well as to understand for yourselves some of the finer points of B-12 therapy.

For example, Achalasia and (canine) megaesophagus are classified as alimentary, digestive disorders of the gastrointestinal tract. B-12 therapy is useful in *several* if not all digestive/gastrointestinal disorders.

One of the things that I learned was that even if lab tests indicate a 'normal' level of Vit. B-12, *if* a dog has megaesophagus, for example, that 'normal' level oft times is not sufficient enough. The same may be true in cases of Achalasia. It is important too to know that if you are upping B-12, it is important to increase folate, or folic acid as well. If folic acid is 'overdone' (dosage level) it can also be very dangerous and actually can cause damage and symptoms that one is trying to correct. You may find it interesting to know that Vegans can easily suffer from B-12 deficiencies because of their dietary constraints. A B-12 deficiency which yes, can cause pernicious anemia, can be improved by B-12 therapy but it will not correct the nerve damage previously done. I wonder how many Achalasians may have had pernicious anemia during infancy/childhood years? Also, that the older one is (50 years and above, I believe), leading a normal, healthy lifestyle (qualifier need to be in there), the more at risk one is of developing a B-12/Folic Acid deficiency. These components operate on homocysteine metabolism and it is believed they may *increase* homocysteine in your blood levels in an otherwise 'healthy' individual but who is *deficient* in B-12/Folic Acid. That said, you can see why the correct balance is important. This may be why some Drs. are reticent about B-12 therapy, I wonder?

I'd like to point you again to the research offered by Texas A & M Gastrointestinal Lab. Please don't be put off by the fact that is for Veterinary Science, as I recall several notations are made about human medicine as well. One of my goals is for us to be able to learn from one another -- what is being done in human medicine that has not even been contemplated for animal medicine, and vice versa. While I've been very thankful to have chance to learn from y'all, I hope that my little gal and others like her may one day be able to somehow contribute to the human aspect of Achalasia.

If you are able to adjust your diet naturally, you may be able to improve your B-12 levels (and possibly your symptoms?!) with the following natural foods: wild trout, sockeye salmon, sirloin, yogurt, clams, tuna, hard boiled egg, chicken breast. The meats should be braised or broiled for optimum retention of nutrients.

If a deficiency goes too long unrecognized, dementia can easily occur. If you have tingling in your extremities, a B-12 deficiency may be the root cause. Same with constipation, fatigue, depression, and probably others that I do not recall. My husband was experiencing memory loss. I altered his diet, fed him foods he isn't exactly fond of,,,, and the turnaround was quite impressive in under a month (he was not a good patient at the dinner table at first <G>). Just 'food for thought'....The link to the research article about B-12 or Cobalamin Therapy I am citing from memory is found @ Eva's site by taking the Nutrition Tips page. The main URL is http://www.caninemegaesophagus.org/. Take it to your Doctors appt. if you want support in conversing about the possibilities. I'd love it too if you'd shrae your Doctor's thoughts based on the research being done at TAMU.

Usual disclaimers: not a Dr., don't pretend to be one. Not a nutritionist, not a Veterinarian, etc. Just a dog Mums who has lived and breathed Megaesophagus for upwards of 3 years and countless 'all nighter's' later...I actually retained some of the info <G>.

Best regards to all,

Peg M., Houston TX

Mums to Eva Diva, a perpetual pupster having CME - Congenital Megaesophagus

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Hello peg

In reference to your comment:

Also, that the older one is (50 years and above, I believe), leading a normal, healthy lifestyle (qualifier need to be in there), the more at risk one is of developing a B-12/Folic Acid deficiency. These components operate on homocysteine metabolism and it is believed they may *increase* homocysteine in your blood levels in an otherwise 'healthy' individual but who is *deficient* in B-12/Folic Acid.

Peg, this sparked my interest, because a few years ago my doctor

checked my B 12 level and found that it was in the lower range of

normal. Because it was that low he went back and ordered a

methylmalonic acid and homocysteine test. The homocysteine

was in line just barely, but the methylmalonic acid was high which

he said indicated a B-12 deficiency. I have been on B-12 injections

since.

Did this occurred because I was not getting adequate nutrition

due to achalasia or was it because of my age? I have no idea,

but I was delighted that he discovered it. You also mentioned

the connection between B-12 deficiency and dementia. I think

nursing homes are full of people with dementia who might be

helped by B-12.

Maggie,

Alabama

PS. I worked for a veterinarian once in my early life and he told

me a dog can have any disease that a human can except appendicitis.

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Hi, Maggie and yup, you are right -- no appendix in a dog, but every disease/disorder that humans can get, so too can dogs. 'Tis why I am intrigued on how our two 'groups' might be able to figure out how to best help one another. Who knows, maybe we can help med. science to advance a bit faster. Wht a dream!

Eva goes through serious periods of anorexia. When we do labwork (frequently!) her levels test 'normal'. I buffer up her diet keeping B-12 in mind. She is fed a 'mostly raw' diet, btw. That is tailored to periods also f high quality 'holistic' kibble (no additives, quality protein sources, no gluten . . .) Anyway, that's a bit of a digression except to substantiate that she is offered plenty of natural B-12 sources. Still and all, anorexia happens. The injections *do* help. Bottom line -- she is within the 'normal' range. We do not yet know why it is so with these dogs, just that it is what it is. Same may be true for Achalasians?

Slightly off-topic, but you may also find this interesting. I suffered a very serious back injury. Physical therapy, for months, etc. and I was not able to return to a normal lifestyle after very serious and continued effort. A friend referred me to an "Eastern' practicing MD. He does injections straight into the muscle structure where-ever the injury is. Famous people, stunt men, heavy weight boxers are his patients. Painful, yes. He told me he thought he could help me in 3-4 visits. Guess what -- he did! Now, what do you suppose he was injecting? B-12... I had to push to get him to tell me that, and it was 'mixed with some other things' according to him (I doubt he would tell even his mother, LOL). Seriously, I've often wondered if it isn't just straight B-12/Cobalamin that he is injecting after reading/studying for E.

Best regards,

PegSee what's free at AOL.com.

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I have been really begging for some kind of vitamin injections because I am so

down, I am anemic as of late and can't seem to get someone to handle that for

me, I think I should copy this email and take it to my PA/dietician so she can

help me get the shots.

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Re: B-12

Dear Dave,

 

One thing that I have learnt is that if you take acid-suppressants over a long

period of time they deplete your absorption of B12 and can lead, in extreme

cases, to pernicious anaemia.  Therefore it is advisable to take a supplement of

B12 in this case. (I have gained this knowledge from the lovely Notan).

 

Best Wishes from Ann, sending you a peck on the cheek and a hug around the neck

and wondering what a plans to hide up her bussel.  XXX

<davster13@...> wrote:

So what is B-12 suppossed to do for achalasians!?

I have been on mega doses of B-12 for at least 11 years, way before I

was even diagnosed with achalasia.

My doctor suggested it to improve my moods. It worked so well, I take

it every day religiously

I started off getting weekly injections, then every other week, then

monthly.

Once my levels got up the doctor switched me to sub-lingual B-12 which

you can get at any good vitimin or health food store. Most of those

stores also have the liquid, or can order it for you.

Weight lifters use B-12 too, to build muscle so their supplement

stores have B-12 also. They inject it into their muscles, I'm told

Dave

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Wow, that is amazing info., ill be carrying that to the doc with me when I get

home for sure.

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In a message dated 5/1/2007 9:34:24 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

achalasiagoaway@... writes: One thing that I have learnt is that if you

take acid-suppressants over a long period of time they deplete your absorption

of B-12 and can lead, in extreme cases, to pernicious anaemia.  Therefore it is

advisable to take a supplement of B-12 in this case. (I have gained this

knowledge from the lovely Notan).

Hi, Ann and Everyone! The 'dog mums'  (me) is interested in helping out with

this important topic. First, I wonder if you have all considered, or know, just

how 'similar' canine nutrition as well as attributable health, disorders and

disease states can be? There are some differences, yes. But there are many

commonalities.

 

The B-12 injections helped Eva tremendously. There's more education to be had

though so that you can discuss the details with your respective Doctors as well

as to understand for yourselves some of the finer points of B-12 therapy.

 

For example, Achalasia and (canine) megaesophagus are classified as alimentary,

digestive disorders of the gastrointestinal tract. B-12 therapy is useful in

*several* if not all digestive/gastrointestinal disorders.

 

One of the things that I learned was that even if lab tests indicate a 'normal'

level of Vit. B-12, *if* a dog has megaesophagus, for example, that 'normal'

level oft times is not sufficient enough. The same may be true in cases of

Achalasia. It is important too to know that if you are upping B-12, it is

important to increase folate, or folic acid as well. If folic acid is 'overdone'

(dosage level) it can also be very dangerous and actually can cause damage and

symptoms that one is trying to correct.  You may find it interesting to know

that Vegans can easily suffer from B-12 deficiencies because of their dietary

constraints. A B-12 deficiency which yes, can cause pernicious anemia, can be

improved by B-12 therapy but it will not correct the nerve damage previously

done. I wonder how many Achalasians may have had pernicious anemia during

infancy/childhood years? Also, that the older one is (50 years and above, I

believe), leading a normal, healthy lifestyle (qualifier need to be in there),

the more at risk one is of developing a B-12/Folic Acid deficiency. These

components operate on homocysteine metabolism and it is believed they may

*increase* homocysteine in your blood levels in an otherwise 'healthy'

individual but who is *deficient* in B-12/Folic Acid. That said, you can see why

the correct balance is important. This may be why some Drs. are reticent about

B-12 therapy, I wonder?

 

I'd like to point you again to the research offered by Texas A & M

Gastrointestinal Lab. Please don't be put off by the fact that is for Veterinary

Science, as  I recall several notations are made about human medicine as well.

One of my goals is for us to be able to learn from one another -- what is being

done in human medicine that has not even been contemplated for animal medicine,

and vice versa. While I've been very thankful to have chance to learn from

y'all, I hope that my little gal and others like her may one day be able to

somehow contribute to the human aspect of Achalasia.

 

If you are able to adjust your diet naturally, you may be able to improve your

B-12 levels (and possibly your symptoms?!) with the following natural foods:

wild trout, sockeye salmon, sirloin, yogurt, clams, tuna, hard boiled egg,

chicken breast. The meats should be braised or broiled for optimum retention of

nutrients.

 

If a deficiency goes too long unrecognized, dementia can easily occur. If you

have tingling in your extremities, a B-12 deficiency may be the root cause. Same

with constipation, fatigue, depression, and probably others that I do not

recall. My husband was experiencing memory loss. I altered his diet, fed him

foods he isn't exactly fond of,,,, and the turnaround was quite impressive in

under a month (he was not a good patient at the dinner table at first <G>). Just

'food for thought'....The link to the research article about B-12 or Cobalamin

Therapy I am citing from memory is found @ Eva's site by taking the Nutrition

Tips page. The main URL is http://www.canineme:

<http://www.caninemegaesophagus.org/> gaesophagus.org/. Take it to your Doctors

appt. if you want support in conversing about the possibilities. I'd love it too

if you'd shrae your Doctor's thoughts based on the research being done at TAMU.

 

Usual disclaimers: not a Dr., don't pretend to be one. Not a nutritionist, not a

Veterinarian, etc. Just a dog Mums who has lived and breathed Megaesophagus for

upwards of 3 years and countless 'all nighter's' later...I actually retained

some of the info <G>.

 

Best regards to all,

 

Peg M., Houston TX

Mums to Eva Diva, a perpetual pupster having CME - Congenital Megaesophagus

 

PS) B-12 Therapy could be very important to discuss for our expectant Mom, too.

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Ann Higgs wrote:

One thing that I have learnt

is that if you take acid-suppressants over a long period of time they

deplete your absorption of B12 and can lead, in extreme cases, to

pernicious anaemia. Therefore it is advisable to take a supplement of

B12 in this case.

I should clarify what I have said. As you said, "in extreme cases" it

can cause problems. Most acid-suppressants are not strong enough to be

that "extreme." PPIs such as Nexium may be strong enough but it depends

on other factors. In the study that I am aware of, and there could be

more by now, low B12 was found in patients that were taking high doses

of a PPI long-term. It takes stomach acid to absorb B12 from food.

Generally acid-suppressants, even normal doses of PPIs, only reduce the

acid and do not eliminate it so there is still enough to absorb B12.

However, there are other factors that can increase the risk of not

being able to absorb enough B12. These include: old age, a Vegan diet, certain

medications like Metformin (for diabetes), diseases like celiac disease

and other autoimmune diseases that effect absorption of nutrients, and

surgery such as for weight loss that effect digestion.

If people are at risk, their doctors can do a test every so often to

see what their B12 levels are. If the level is good a person's body

should have enough stored up for two years. This also means that if you

do something that lowers the absorption of B12 you may not notice it

until two years later.

Things may not be as simple as this makes it seem. B12 is part of a

very complex chemical system in the body. B12 levels may not be the

whole story. If you find large supplemental doses of of B12 help, you

should talk to your doctor. If you find you only need a little more B12

you should consider changing your diet.

(I have gained this

knowledge from the lovely Notan).

I shall take thy kind words and place then upon the hearth with apples

of gold and silver settings.

notan

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Just saw the Beneful commercial for B12 with folic acid and fiber, wonder if

that is helpful, flavorless and can be added to anything.

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Re: B-12

 

Hello peg

In reference to your comment:

Also, that the older one is (50 years and above, I believe), leading a normal,

healthy lifestyle (qualifier need to be in there), the more at risk one is of

developing a B-12/Folic Acid deficiency. These components operate on

homocysteine metabolism and it is believed they may *increase* homocysteine in

your blood levels in an otherwise 'healthy' individual but who is *deficient* in

B-12/Folic Acid.

Peg, this sparked my interest, because a few years ago my doctor

checked my B 12 level and found that it was in the lower range of

normal.  Because it was that low he went back and ordered a

methylmalonic acid and homocysteine test.   The homocysteine

was in line just barely, but the methylmalonic acid was high which

he said indicated a B-12 deficiency.  I have been on B-12 injections

since.

 

Did this occurred because I was not getting adequate nutrition

due to achalasia or was it because of my age?  I have no idea,

but I was delighted that he discovered it.  You also mentioned

the connection between B-12 deficiency and dementia. I think

nursing homes are full of people with dementia who might be

helped by B-12.

 

Maggie,

Alabama

PS.  I worked for a veterinarian once in my early life and he told

me a dog can have any disease that a human can except appendicitis.

A dog does not have an appendix.

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Hi, Anne, I'm so glad you mentioned the link between acid blockers and B12. Good information. Thanks! Deborah

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Oh, NOTAN! How I love those ...gold and silver settings on the hearth! From whence commeth that quote? It's lovely! Deborah

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Hello, Peg, That is so interesting that you mentioned B12 injections right into the muscles. My maternal grandmother, who suffered from severe kidney disease, diabetes and brittle bone, was given B12 shots right into her muscles by my grandfather several times a week. She swore by the healing powers of B12 and the more I read at this website, the more I am a believer. Thanks! Deborah

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Deborah Lattimore wrote:

> From whence commeth that quote? It's lovely!

>

Ann's words hit a personal need in a timely way so I borrowed from

Proverbs 25:11. Here it is from the KJV, " A word fitly spoken is like

apples of gold in pictures of silver. " I added the hearth and the action.

notan

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Interesting article regarding mercury and B12 for MSer's but seeing as

many with MS have autistic children I hope it's not too off topic here:

http://www.whale.to/w/b12.html

Sharon Hoehner

www.sharethecause.com/detoxqueen

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I have some of these, I wonder if I am low? is there a way to check

Hugs♥

ny

On Saturday, March 12, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Theresa Gottlieb wrote:

Here you go Trudy and anyone else needing this info... These are the symptoms of B-12 deficiency:

Symptoms

If your vitamin B12 deficiency anemia is mild, you may not have symptoms or you may not notice them. Some people may think they are just the result of growing older. Symptoms develop slowly over years, as the amount of vitamin B12 absorbed by the body decreases and the vitamin B12 stored in your body is used up.

As the anemia becomes worse, you may have:

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