Re: testim application sites

[Guest guest]

,

I use AndroGel and I apply to my shaved inner thighs...works great for

me. I don't know if this is applicable to Testim.

Good luck,

OR eon

GayMan

testim application sites

Hi All,

My husband has been on Testim for the last couple of weeks. It seems

to be helping as he is feeling better. The only problem is that

putting 2 tubes on his upper arms are making them irritated. Are

there any other sites that you guys are using as application sites so

that he can rotate?

[Guest guest]

What symptoms did your husband have that made him seek help. What kind of

doctors has he seen. How low was his total T do you know. I only know my total T

was 4.3 last year and this year is 3.1 and the Dr. did seem to think it was any

big deal.

testim application sites

Hi All,

My husband has been on Testim for the last couple of weeks. It seems

to be helping as he is feeling better. The only problem is that

putting 2 tubes on his upper arms are making them irritated. Are

there any other sites that you guys are using as application sites so

that he can rotate?

[Guest guest]

OR eon -

I liked your idea for using the inner thighs--figured it might

be " closer to the source " or something--so I applied my Testim there

for one month prior to my last bleed. I didn't bother shaving (my

thighs are not hairy).

the results? my T-levels were no different than on my last test,

which I took after 2 months of applying religiously to the upper arms

and shoulders only.

my uro hears of guys who use all sorts of sites with the gels, but

from what he's seen, men seem to absorb with the same efficiency at

all sites.

I guess that there was less scent near my face when using my thighs,

but that hasn't been a big deal to me.

- WS

> ,

>

> I use AndroGel and I apply to my shaved inner thighs...works great

for

> me. I don't know if this is applicable to Testim.

>

> Good luck,

>

> OR eon

> GayMan

>

> testim application sites

>

> Hi All,

>

> My husband has been on Testim for the last couple of weeks. It

seems

> to be helping as he is feeling better. The only problem is that

> putting 2 tubes on his upper arms are making them irritated. Are

> there any other sites that you guys are using as application sites

so

> that he can rotate?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes when you do your upper arms and shoulders also go down your back as far as

you can reach with one tube spread it around and what is left on your hand put

on your sides or the inside of your thighs rub it in well and the do the other

side with the other tube. As long as you don't put it on your chest your OK.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

> Subject: Testim application sites

>

> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 2:21 PM

> OK for guys that are currently taking or have taken Testim.

> Maybe it's

> just me, I don't know but I'm having a damn hard

> time with it. Doctor

> recently upped my dosage to two tubes. I just can't

> find enough skin

> to put it on and get it rubbed in well. The problem is

> I'm a small guy

> in the shoulders and upper arms (this is the only place

> you're

> supposed to apply it) and I need to know if there are

> alternate sites

> I can apply it. I can apply one tube to both shoulders and

> upper arms

> with no problem but two tubes there is really difficult.

> Any suggestions?

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Skywalker,

     I took both Testim and Androgel this year for 7 months.  I never got into

range.  I dropped them after using 15g per day.  My skin is thick and pores

tight or I had a Ph in balance in the skin. It doesn't matter.  The test

consistently showed I was not RIGHT WHERE I WANTED TO BE.  I am doing shots

which totally work and are so much easier.  

Phil told me month after month to bail out. I wanted to believe they would work

so I hung in there.  I admit this was STUPID and careless.

 Don't waste your time and let your body not have what it needs another day or

month. Doctors need encouragement to do better because they are trained in a

RANGE of acceptable loss.

It took wisdom but I learned how to educate and motivate my doctor to be the

'Good Doctor'.

I now ask and receive anything I need.    

 

Thank God and Phil, my doctor and myself for taking denial of the obvious out of

the equation.   

 

________________________________

From: skywalker45_99 <skywalker45_99@...>

Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:21:55 PM

Subject: Testim application sites

OK for guys that are currently taking or have taken Testim. Maybe it's

just me, I don't know but I'm having a damn hard time with it. Doctor

recently upped my dosage to two tubes. I just can't find enough skin

to put it on and get it rubbed in well. The problem is I'm a small guy

in the shoulders and upper arms (this is the only place you're

supposed to apply it) and I need to know if there are alternate sites

I can apply it. I can apply one tube to both shoulders and upper arms

with no problem but two tubes there is really difficult. Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

Skywalker;

Testim is also a 1% formulation like androgel. So first things first,

if you want to remain on topical then switch to the 10% formulation.

At the least it would mean 1/10th of the surface area. Then you need

to identify why you aren't absorbing the medication well. Are you

washing and rinsing the skin well prior to application? What type of

soap and other personal care products do you use on that skin? Can you

buy some PH test strips and test prior to and after applying

medication? You could also consider a switch to creams but that is

probably less important though the compounding community is still

debating which is more effective. Mind if I ask what you ethnic

background and skin color is, you don't have to answer but it can

change absorption according to some sources. Are you maintain proper

hydration? Testosterone thickens the skin, does it help to rotate

application sites? Using an occlusive dressing isn't going to be

helpful over this large an area of skin. Are you otherwise healthy, no

skin problems, eating and drinking properly? You can also consider

dosing twice or three times a day but be aware that might increase

your likelihood of problems.

My only other question would be do you feel good or bad on the levels

you are getting?

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

You can try rinsing the application area with vinegar and pat dry

before applying your medication. The average skin PH is 5.5 and ideal

absorption PH is 3. You can buy PH test strips almost anywhere. If it

turns out that PH is the issue we can discuss options to alter the

testim PH to best suit your body. Try the pharmacy for the test

strips. I coud write more but I am so sick it isn't funny.

Your timing for your blood testing makes little sense.

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

Sorry to hear you're sick. Well there is contention over the timing of

my blood testing. The doc who started my TRT wants every 30 days. His

PA (who specialized in anti-aging med) wants every two weeks until a

predictable steady state is reached. I'm just waiting for a phone

call! HAHAHA

But anyway, I may try the PH strips and see what that's all about.

I've been applying the Testim using a sandwich bag over my hand and it

really does seem to help get it rubbed in better but of course that

isn't even close to telling us whether it's being absorbed. I started

on 2 tubes on Thursday and this morning I had RAGING

morning wood like I don't ever remember having, so we'll see what

happens from here.

>

> You can try rinsing the application area with vinegar and pat dry

> before applying your medication. The average skin PH is 5.5 and ideal

> absorption PH is 3. You can buy PH test strips almost anywhere. If it

> turns out that PH is the issue we can discuss options to alter the

> testim PH to best suit your body. Try the pharmacy for the test

> strips. I coud write more but I am so sick it isn't funny.

>

> Your timing for your blood testing makes little sense.

>

> trannyboy

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry about before but I couldn't think or see straight to continue

the post. I am a bit better now so I thought I would finish while I

could.

Timing in blood work depends on what you are trying to achieve. For

instance if you are at the beginning trying to figure out what is

going on and before diagnosis then testing without drugs is a good

choice. If you want to know if you are producing hormones naturally

then yes don't take your hormones. If you want to know if this is the

correct dosage it is insane to test when you are at your lowest. To

identify correct topical dosage the best approach is to test prior to

administering, 4 hour after dosing to identify peak then 12 and 24

hours after dosing to identify your redose time. This way you can

identify your ideal cycle. Yes, you normally cycle but that cycle

shouldn't go below the lowest levels you need. Nor do you need super

high levels mid way through the day. I know many doctors won't do

multiple tests but it is a very good way to identify how the drug is

working in your system. You don't need to do this all the time but

with a new drug or treatment protocol you should do this until you

identify the correct cycle for you. You only need to test your

hormones. After that you should repeat this once a year or sooner if

you notice a change in your own cycle; this is in addition to your

regular annual exam and blood work.

Wearing a glove or bag over your hand is brilliant. I should have

thought of it sooner. The skin on the hand is different then the rest

of your body. Well it will absorb the testosterone it will also dump

it out because the hand can't serve as a reservoir. If you compare it

to tattooing the hand it makes sense.

I am glad this level is working for you.

trannyboy

[Guest guest]

I went to phamacy and bought some latex gloves and am now using those

to apply the testim gel. Works great. Now I Don't get or waste any

gel on my hands. When done I just slightly moisten the gloves with

water and apply residual gel that is on the gloves to any area that I

did not apply the gel to (forearms, upper back etc.).

But my pharmacy had no clue about PH test strips. It was just a

grocery store pharmacy; I will try a regular pharmacy tomorrow.

Null.

>

> Sorry about before but I couldn't think or see straight to continue

> the post. I am a bit better now so I thought I would finish while I

> could.

>

> Timing in blood work depends on what you are trying to achieve. For

> instance if you are at the beginning trying to figure out what is

> going on and before diagnosis then testing without drugs is a good

> choice. If you want to know if you are producing hormones naturally

> then yes don't take your hormones. If you want to know if this is

the

> correct dosage it is insane to test when you are at your lowest. To

> identify correct topical dosage the best approach is to test prior

to

> administering, 4 hour after dosing to identify peak then 12 and 24

> hours after dosing to identify your redose time. This way you can

> identify your ideal cycle. Yes, you normally cycle but that cycle

> shouldn't go below the lowest levels you need. Nor do you need super

> high levels mid way through the day. I know many doctors won't do

> multiple tests but it is a very good way to identify how the drug is

> working in your system. You don't need to do this all the time but

> with a new drug or treatment protocol you should do this until you

> identify the correct cycle for you. You only need to test your

> hormones. After that you should repeat this once a year or sooner if

> you notice a change in your own cycle; this is in addition to your

> regular annual exam and blood work.

>

> Wearing a glove or bag over your hand is brilliant. I should have

> thought of it sooner. The skin on the hand is different then the

rest

> of your body. Well it will absorb the testosterone it will also dump

> it out because the hand can't serve as a reservoir. If you compare

it

> to tattooing the hand it makes sense.

>

> I am glad this level is working for you.

>

> trannyboy

>