Re: Bleach is a dirty word!

[Guest guest]

Speaking of the evils of bleach.. I have this dilemma now. The carpetting in my

bedrooms have mold (black, green) and mildew in them to the point of reeking of

it and I am sure causing my sinus problems. I gutted one bedroom and found the

moisture problem and my upbringing tells me to bleach the concrete floor, let it

dry out then put a sealer on it. I know the bleach will kill the mold and most

spores. Since this will be sealed, then topped with a pad and new carpet, what

is the best alternative to using bleach or can I use diluted bleach (being

careful to ventilate properly and use gloves etc) and then Seal it with the

special concrete sealer? thanks.

houyhnhmn2 <howland@...> wrote: Reysean,

I have to say I was really surprised when you mentioned bleach, since

this is a group dedicated to the work of Dr. Hulda . If

you are worried about what to wash water jugs out with, you will

likely find her work fascinating. Her books are very reasonably

priced, and I highly suggest you get a copy of her latest book, The

Prevention of All Cancers and " dig in. " Once you familiarize yourself

with her work, you'll understand why some members of this group cringe

at the word bleach.

Lori

> Reysean Warren wrote: One more question, what's the best way to

wash out plastic gallon jugs? Someone told me bleach does a good job.

Would that affect the taste any (the bleach)?

[Guest guest]

Gosh, , that sounds serious and I'm no pro at home repair. I

read in Hulda's book that she advocates bleach down the toilet only,

and then it's important to keep anyone who is ill away from the

smell.

If I were you, I think I'd go with my hunch and use bleach, but I'd

seek out the bleaches that are not the laundry bleach types:

namely, the ones blessed by the NSF for human consumption. When I

heard Hulda speak in Chicago, she mentioned that there is now bleach

available from Target (I think she said it's the Target label) that

does not have the nasty ingredients in it. She indicated how to

tell which one it was (that it has a label that says " no something

or other " , phosphate maybe?), but I have not yet pursued purchasing

it. I'd have to review the conference DVD or my notes to be sure.

Or, you could purchase the strong bleach that you have to dilute

from the sources she has listed in the her latest book. Those

sources may in the sources section, or they may also be buried in

the part of the book that explains NSF bleach, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm thinking the safe concentrated bleach is available from a couple

of places, Spectrum Chemical Company maybe? I'm not near my book

and I'm energizer-bunny busy these days, but let me know if you need

more help with this.

Also if appropriate (like I said I'm no home repair pro), consider

finding a concrete sealer that has low VOC's from a green building

source.

And good luck getting rid of mold!

-Lori

>

> Speaking of the evils of bleach.. I have this dilemma now. The

carpetting in my bedrooms have mold (black, green) and mildew in

them to the point of reeking of it and I am sure causing my sinus

problems. I gutted one bedroom and found the moisture problem and

my upbringing tells me to bleach the concrete floor, let it dry out

then put a sealer on it. I know the bleach will kill the mold and

most spores. Since this will be sealed, then topped with a pad and

new carpet, what is the best alternative to using bleach or can I

use diluted bleach (being careful to ventilate properly and use

gloves etc) and then Seal it with the special concrete sealer?

thanks.

[Guest guest]

Use almost 100% H2o2 to get rid of mold…..My brother-in-law in Houston used

it and it worked.

Houston is the mold capital of the USA

_____

From: Dr [mailto:Dr ] On Behalf Of

houyhnhmn2

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:19 PM

Dr

Subject: Re: Bleach is a dirty word!

Gosh, , that sounds serious and I'm no pro at home repair. I

read in Hulda's book that she advocates bleach down the toilet only,

and then it's important to keep anyone who is ill away from the

smell.

If I were you, I think I'd go with my hunch and use bleach, but I'd

seek out the bleaches that are not the laundry bleach types:

namely, the ones blessed by the NSF for human consumption. When I

heard Hulda speak in Chicago, she mentioned that there is now bleach

available from Target (I think she said it's the Target label) that

does not have the nasty ingredients in it. She indicated how to

tell which one it was (that it has a label that says " no something

or other " , phosphate maybe?), but I have not yet pursued purchasing

it. I'd have to review the conference DVD or my notes to be sure.

Or, you could purchase the strong bleach that you have to dilute

from the sources she has listed in the her latest book. Those

sources may in the sources section, or they may also be buried in

the part of the book that explains NSF bleach, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm thinking the safe concentrated bleach is available from a couple

of places, Spectrum Chemical Company maybe? I'm not near my book

and I'm energizer-bunny busy these days, but let me know if you need

more help with this.

Also if appropriate (like I said I'm no home repair pro), consider

finding a concrete sealer that has low VOC's from a green building

source.

And good luck getting rid of mold!

-Lori

>

> Speaking of the evils of bleach.. I have this dilemma now. The

carpetting in my bedrooms have mold (black, green) and mildew in

them to the point of reeking of it and I am sure causing my sinus

problems. I gutted one bedroom and found the moisture problem and

my upbringing tells me to bleach the concrete floor, let it dry out

then put a sealer on it. I know the bleach will kill the mold and

most spores. Since this will be sealed, then topped with a pad and

new carpet, what is the best alternative to using bleach or can I

use diluted bleach (being careful to ventilate properly and use

gloves etc) and then Seal it with the special concrete sealer?

thanks.

[Guest guest]

,

Here are a couple of alternatives to try, and I don't know for sure if

they will work, but I'll bet they will.

Try mixing a strong solution of liquid Citracidal, which can be

purchased as Nutribiotic GrapeFRUIT Seed Extract (GSE) and wet the area

with that and then use straight vinegar to clean it up with.

As a second option, you can try soaking the area with alcohol, but avoid

breathing it in, let it dry on it's own.

Bleach is the last thing you want to use, but it is the best thing to

use because it works. You don't need straight bleach, you can dilute it

1 pt bleach to 4 pt water and that is strong enough to kill the mold.

Wear a mask and rubber gloves, and make sure the area is well

ventilated. Use a fan to blow the fumes away from you and towards a window.

If mold is on your carpets and the leak is not from the floor, you

should remove your floor trim at the bottom of the walls and check for

mold (the sheet rock will be soft to soggy when poked with a

screwdriver). If the mold is on the walls, you need to get rid of the

sheet rock as well.

I once had a mold problem, discovered it on the carpet, but the real

problem was that the water that caused it came from the condo next to

me, ran along the floor and was soaked up by the walls which got moldy,

and I had to have my whole downstairs redone. All sheet rock was

affected and had to be cut about 3' from the floor. All the walls behind

my kitchen cabinets were black as could be. All carpets were

destroyed. I was on a concrete slab, so it was scrubbed with bleach,

every day for 4 days, and all the wall studs were sprayed every day

too. After a week, it was all replaced but the next summer, the same

problem due to a roof leak!!! I moved.

Diane

wrote:

> Speaking of the evils of bleach.. I have this dilemma now. The

> carpetting in my bedrooms have mold (black, green) and mildew in them

> to the point of reeking of it and I am sure causing my sinus problems.

> I gutted one bedroom and found the moisture problem and my upbringing

> tells me to bleach the concrete floor, let it dry out then put a

> sealer on it. I know the bleach will kill the mold and most spores.

> Since this will be sealed, then topped with a pad and new carpet, what

> is the best alternative to using bleach or can I use diluted bleach

> (being careful to ventilate properly and use gloves etc) and then Seal

> it with the special concrete sealer? thanks.

>

> houyhnhmn2 <howland@... <mailto:howland%40cox.net>> wrote: Reysean,

>

> I have to say I was really surprised when you mentioned bleach, since

> this is a group dedicated to the work of Dr. Hulda . If

> you are worried about what to wash water jugs out with, you will

> likely find her work fascinating. Her books are very reasonably

> priced, and I highly suggest you get a copy of her latest book, The

> Prevention of All Cancers and " dig in. " Once you familiarize yourself

> with her work, you'll understand why some members of this group cringe

> at the word bleach.

>

> Lori

>

> > Reysean Warren wrote: One more question, what's the best way to

> wash out plastic gallon jugs? Someone told me bleach does a good job.

> Would that affect the taste any (the bleach)?

>

>

[Guest guest]

One more thing!

The sealer you will be using is also very toxic in most cases. Use

extreme caution not to breathe in the vapors.

Diane

houyhnhmn2 wrote:

> Gosh, , that sounds serious and I'm no pro at home repair. I

> read in Hulda's book that she advocates bleach down the toilet only,

> and then it's important to keep anyone who is ill away from the

> smell.

>

> If I were you, I think I'd go with my hunch and use bleach, but I'd

> seek out the bleaches that are not the laundry bleach types:

> namely, the ones blessed by the NSF for human consumption. When I

> heard Hulda speak in Chicago, she mentioned that there is now bleach

> available from Target (I think she said it's the Target label) that

> does not have the nasty ingredients in it. She indicated how to

> tell which one it was (that it has a label that says " no something

> or other " , phosphate maybe?), but I have not yet pursued purchasing

> it. I'd have to review the conference DVD or my notes to be sure.

> Or, you could purchase the strong bleach that you have to dilute

> from the sources she has listed in the her latest book. Those

> sources may in the sources section, or they may also be buried in

> the part of the book that explains NSF bleach, if I'm not mistaken.

> I'm thinking the safe concentrated bleach is available from a couple

> of places, Spectrum Chemical Company maybe? I'm not near my book

> and I'm energizer-bunny busy these days, but let me know if you need

> more help with this.

>

> Also if appropriate (like I said I'm no home repair pro), consider

> finding a concrete sealer that has low VOC's from a green building

> source.

>

> And good luck getting rid of mold!

> -Lori

>

>

> >

> > Speaking of the evils of bleach.. I have this dilemma now. The

> carpetting in my bedrooms have mold (black, green) and mildew in

> them to the point of reeking of it and I am sure causing my sinus

> problems. I gutted one bedroom and found the moisture problem and

> my upbringing tells me to bleach the concrete floor, let it dry out

> then put a sealer on it. I know the bleach will kill the mold and

> most spores. Since this will be sealed, then topped with a pad and

> new carpet, what is the best alternative to using bleach or can I

> use diluted bleach (being careful to ventilate properly and use

> gloves etc) and then Seal it with the special concrete sealer?

> thanks.

>

>

--

God Bless America!

Diane Mackey

Lowell, MA

Captain , USAFA 2000

Eglin AFB, MC-130 Pilot TDY sandbox

[Guest guest]

Spectrum, huh? I thought they just did lighting. That reminds me they sell

commercial tube lighting to replace those positive ion emitting flourescent

tubes.. cost about $6.99 each..... thanks for the info.. Target is nearby I'll

get their bleach and dilute it. I just want that black stuff gone. It smells

worse than a wet basement. yech.

houyhnhmn2 <howland@...> wrote: Gosh, , that sounds serious and I'm

no pro at home repair. I

read in Hulda's book that she advocates bleach down the toilet only,

and then it's important to keep anyone who is ill away from the

smell.

If I were you, I think I'd go with my hunch and use bleach, but I'd

seek out the bleaches that are not the laundry bleach types:

namely, the ones blessed by the NSF for human consumption. When I

heard Hulda speak in Chicago, she mentioned that there is now bleach

available from Target (I think she said it's the Target label) that

does not have the nasty ingredients in it. She indicated how to

tell which one it was (that it has a label that says " no something

or other " , phosphate maybe?), but I have not yet pursued purchasing

it. I'd have to review the conference DVD or my notes to be sure.

Or, you could purchase the strong bleach that you have to dilute

from the sources she has listed in the her latest book. Those

sources may in the sources section, or they may also be buried in

the part of the book that explains NSF bleach, if I'm not mistaken.

I'm thinking the safe concentrated bleach is available from a couple

of places, Spectrum Chemical Company maybe? I'm not near my book

and I'm energizer-bunny busy these days, but let me know if you need

more help with this.

Also if appropriate (like I said I'm no home repair pro), consider

finding a concrete sealer that has low VOC's from a green building

source.

And good luck getting rid of mold!

-Lori

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I have read her first three books, (cure for all cancers, cure for all advanced

cancers, and cure for all diseases). I'll try to get " The Prevention of All

Cancers " never. Thanks for the info...

houyhnhmn2 <howland@...> wrote: Reysean,

I have to say I was really surprised when you mentioned bleach, since

this is a group dedicated to the work of Dr. Hulda . If

you are worried about what to wash water jugs out with, you will

likely find her work fascinating. Her books are very reasonably

priced, and I highly suggest you get a copy of her latest book, The

Prevention of All Cancers and " dig in. " Once you familiarize yourself

with her work, you'll understand why some members of this group cringe

at the word bleach.

Lori

> Reysean Warren wrote: One more question, what's the best way to

wash out plastic gallon jugs? Someone told me bleach does a good job.

Would that affect the taste any (the bleach)?

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[Guest guest]

Wow your problem was a lot worse, sounds like New Orleans after the flood. No,

my problem came from prior tenant dogs. The ammonia in old urine attacts

moisture. I've lived here almost 8 years, was told the carpet was " clean " . It

looked 20 years old and not clean to me, but I wanted this quiet neighborhood it

seemed perfect. 3 yrs ago I discovered mold on family room wall and wiped it

with bleach/water 1:6 and later discovered the carpet there was black

underneath the brown pile. Had that room (carpet) replaced. Learned from

neighbor about dogs afterwards but was unsure about the bedrooms until this year

when the heavy rain last winter brought it up to the surface. When I pulled out

the old carpet, the " spot " was quite obvious & large, and had been " cleaned "

via steamer (probably with pet treatment added), which you know is just a

coverup and drives the urine deeper into the carpet, pad and subfloor. Vinegar

was the first thing I thought to put on it and that was

the first wash to deal with the old urine. But bleach is what I wanted to deal

with the black mold. baking soda will deal with odor, but that won't kill the

mold, so I discarded that idea. I had actually tried dumping soda on it, and

letting sit a few days the vacuum but the smell came back in 2 days. I'm

billing all this to the landlord as repairs. He'll be lucky if I don't sue for

our bad health. I told him about the dogs, he said he didn't know he lives out

of state and blamed property management.

Diane Mackey <dmackey00@...> wrote: ,

Here are a couple of alternatives to try, and I don't know for sure if

they will work, but I'll bet they will.

Try mixing a strong solution of liquid Citracidal, which can be

purchased as Nutribiotic GrapeFRUIT Seed Extract (GSE) and wet the area

with that and then use straight vinegar to clean it up with.

As a second option, you can try soaking the area with alcohol, but avoid

breathing it in, let it dry on it's own.

Bleach is the last thing you want to use, but it is the best thing to

use because it works. You don't need straight bleach, you can dilute it

1 pt bleach to 4 pt water and that is strong enough to kill the mold.

Wear a mask and rubber gloves, and make sure the area is well

ventilated. Use a fan to blow the fumes away from you and towards a window.

If mold is on your carpets and the leak is not from the floor, you

should remove your floor trim at the bottom of the walls and check for

mold (the sheet rock will be soft to soggy when poked with a

screwdriver). If the mold is on the walls, you need to get rid of the

sheet rock as well.

I once had a mold problem, discovered it on the carpet, but the real

problem was that the water that caused it came from the condo next to

me, ran along the floor and was soaked up by the walls which got moldy,

and I had to have my whole downstairs redone. All sheet rock was

affected and had to be cut about 3' from the floor. All the walls behind

my kitchen cabinets were black as could be. All carpets were

destroyed. I was on a concrete slab, so it was scrubbed with bleach,

every day for 4 days, and all the wall studs were sprayed every day

too. After a week, it was all replaced but the next summer, the same

problem due to a roof leak!!! I moved.

Diane

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et al,

The normal H202 that I buy from the drug store is 3% (I think).

I've also heard you can get double that strength at certain drug

stores. Are you saying you used undiluted 3% H202, or did you find

a source of " almost 100% H202 " ?

(I also need to join the mold-fighting forces.)

Thanks,

Lori

>

> Use almost 100% H2o2 to get rid of mold…..My brother-in-law in

Houston used

> it and it worked.

>

> Houston is the mold capital of the USA

[Guest guest]

Many places on the net sell the higher strengths but be sure that you know

to be very careful using it at higher strengths.

That was for the mold and various other things so you might get other uses

from someone that knows the rules

on how to use it safely.

_____

From: Dr [mailto:Dr ] On Behalf Of

houyhnhnm10

Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:54 PM

Dr

Subject: Re: Bleach is a dirty word!

et al,

The normal H202 that I buy from the drug store is 3% (I think).

I've also heard you can get double that strength at certain drug

stores. Are you saying you used undiluted 3% H202, or did you find

a source of " almost 100% H202 " ?

(I also need to join the mold-fighting forces.)

Thanks,

Lori

>

> Use almost 100% H2o2 to get rid of mold…..My brother-in-law in

Houston used

> it and it worked.

>

> Houston is the mold capital of the USA