Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Try less melatonin, sometimes kids have night waking with too much. for my son nightwaking/vocal stim is yeastiebeasties. ________________________________ From: West <shanwest@...> < > Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 5:13:51 PM Subject: Sleep! Need sleep! Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Okay. Can do! Thanks. I wonder about yeast. He's got none showing up in the stool tests, but it could be in the upper gi, I suppose. ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Libby Receiver: Time: 2010-03-05, 16:43:26 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! >Try less melatonin, sometimes kids have night waking with too much. for my son nightwaking/vocal stim is yeastiebeasties. > > > > > >________________________________ >From: West > >Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 5:13:51 PM >Subject: Sleep! Need sleep! > > >Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. >Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. >For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). >How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 You could also try timed release melatonin. Karla > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 We saw improvement with enzymes. We then added melatonin too. But I would suggest doing like humaworm and or parasite protocol if night time remains an issue. Epson salt baths, reading, music, no screen time before bed. Also if doing naps, cut them out. Tammy Sleep! Need sleep! Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Excellent idea. I didn't know such a creature existed. Will look for it. Thank you! ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: wiersmak Receiver: Time: 2010-03-05, 19:49:13 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! >You could also try timed release melatonin. > >Karla > > >> >> Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. >> Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. >> For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). >> How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Yeah, we're on enzymes here and epsom salts. If I give him the tea the DAN doc suggested, he wets the bed. What's a parasite protocol? He did have some pinworm problems, but I've treated it fairly aggressively. What kind of protocol is there for staying on? Thanks! ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Tammy Kuhn Receiver: Time: 2010-03-05, 20:20:12 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! >We saw improvement with enzymes. We then added melatonin too. But I would suggest doing like humaworm and or parasite protocol if night time remains an issue. Epson salt baths, reading, music, no screen time before bed. Also if doing naps, cut them out. > >Tammy > > Sleep! Need sleep! > > > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Hi Are you giving anything for liver support, we use milk thistle here, i know my son has had problems waking in the night and ours has always been yeast issues or grumbling liver. x From: shanwest@... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 20:30:08 -0800 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! Yeah, we're on enzymes here and epsom salts. If I give him the tea the DAN doc suggested, he wets the bed. What's a parasite protocol? He did have some pinworm problems, but I've treated it fairly aggressively. What kind of protocol is there for staying on? Thanks! ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Tammy Kuhn Receiver: Time: 2010-03-05, 20:20:12 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! >We saw improvement with enzymes. We then added melatonin too. But I would suggest doing like humaworm and or parasite protocol if night time remains an issue. Epson salt baths, reading, music, no screen time before bed. Also if doing naps, cut them out. > >Tammy > > Sleep! Need sleep! > > > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Hi It did not work for us but some people report that mealatonin with 5htp helps to get their kids to sleep and stay asleep, so it might be worth a try. Kenny > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Hi there, We tried everything and nothing would work for us. Melatonin, addressing yeast, bacteria..... finally we figured out he was having seizures. Once we treated that sleep and cognition improved. Good luck, Casandra From: shanwest@... Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:13:51 -0800 Subject: Sleep! Need sleep! Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Having had pin worms, I guess I would for sure do another parasite protocol. We did Humaworm, goggle that. We did it for 30 days, my son said he felt good on it. I think you can do it every 6 months. We are due again. I'm anxious to see what my guy says on a second round. He's 10. Tammy Sleep! Need sleep! > > > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. At my house, this usually meant yeast overgrowth but sometimes phenol or other issues. http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Thank you. I won't be able to use Humaworm (major phenols in there - the peppermint alone would drive him crazy), but I can certainly get some of the ingredients from it. ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Tammy Kuhn Receiver: Time: 2010-03-06, 08:35:17 Subject: Re: Sleep! Need sleep! > > >Having had pin worms, I guess I would for sure do another parasite protocol. We did Humaworm, goggle that. We did it for 30 days, my son said he felt good on it. I think you can do it every 6 months. We are due again. I'm anxious to see what my guy says on a second round. He's 10. > >Tammy > > > Sleep! Need sleep! > > > > > > > > Oh, the sleep... the neverending sleep problem. I'm going around the bend, I tell you. > > Okay, so my son is almost 4 and he's sleeping 9 - ~2, then up until about 6 when he zonks out until about 10. I would just go with it, but I have a 1 year old too, and he's up for the morning at 8. > > For sleep, I'm giving him 3mg melatonin and 1/2 tsp of poppy/ziziphus extract. WIthout it, he'd not fall asleep until 11:30 or midnight, and then would still be up at 3 or 4, but miserable instead of chatty (which is to say, he's got a vocal stim that goes full bore when he's awake - unless he's grumpy, at which point, he just cries). > > How do I keep him asleep?! Ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 For us the sleep issues improved significantly with yeast control and amino acids. Winter is always the worst, and now as the sun is coming back, we are doing better again. Best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I'd echo the less melatonin idea. My son could only take about a third a mg or he'd wake up during the night. I think it's a rebound type effect. > > For us the sleep issues improved significantly with yeast control and amino acids. Winter is always the worst, and now as the sun is coming back, we are doing better again. Best of luck! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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